Trump told by special counsel he is criminal target in Jan. 6 probe
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Source: CNBC
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he has been told he is a target in the Jan. 6 criminal investigation by special counsel Jack Smith. Trump is the leading contender for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. Smith already has criminally charged Trump with about three dozen counts related to retaining classified documents when he left the White House.
Trump also suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trumps efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. Trump posted his statement on his Truth Social account. Two sources with direct knowledge of the probe confirmed to NBC News that Smith sent Trump a target letter in the case.
Deranged Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Bidens DOJ, sent a letter (again, it was Sunday night!) stating that I am a TARGET of the January 6th Grand Jury investigation, and giving me a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury, which almost always means an Arrest and Indictment, Trump wrote on his Truth Social site.
A spokesman for Smith declined to comment. A hearing in the classified documents criminal case is set for Tuesday in Florida federal court. Trumps lawyers have asked that any trial in that case take place after the 2024 election. Smiths prosecutors oppose that bid. Trump is separately under criminal investigation by a Georgia state prosecutor for his attempt to get election officials there to reverse his loss to Biden in Georgia.
Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/18/trump-says-special-counsel-told-him-hes-a-target-in-jan-6-probe.html
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Trump also suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. Trump posted his statement on his Truth Social account.
Two sources with direct knowledge of the probe confirmed to NBC News Smith sent Trump a target letter in the case. "Deranged Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ, sent a letter (again, it was Sunday night!) stating that I am a TARGET of the January 6th Grand Jury investigation, and giving me a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury, which almost always means an Arrest and Indictment," Trump wrote on his Truth Social site.
A spokesman for Smith declined to comment. A hearing in the classified documents criminal case is set for Tuesday in Florida federal court.
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he has been told he is a target in the Jan. 6 criminal investigation by special counsel Jack Smith. Smith already has criminally charged Trump with about two dozen crimes related to retaining classified documents when he left the White House.
Trump also suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. Trump posted his statement on his Truth Social account.
"Deranged Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ, sent a letter (again, it was Sunday night!) stating that I am a TARGET of the January 6th Grand Jury investigation, and giving me a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury, which almost always means an Arrest and Indictment," Trump wrote on his Truth Social site.
A spokesman for Smith did not immediately respond to a request for a comment. Trump is the leading contender for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.A hearing in his classified documents criminal case is set for Tuesday in Florida federal court. Trump's lawyers have asked this any trial in that case take place after the 2024 election. Smith's prosecutors oppose that bid.
Trump also suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. Trump posted his statement on his Truth Social account.
"Deranged Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ, sent a letter (again, it was Sunday night!) stating that I am a TARGET of the January 6th Grand Jury investigation, and giving me a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury, which almost always means an Arrest and Indictment," Trump wrote on his Truth Social site.
A spokesman for Smith did not immediately respond to a request for a comment.
This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.
Smith already has criminally charged Trump with about two dozen crimes related to retaining classified documents when he left the White House.
Trump in a social media post about the new target letter sent by Smith suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 presidential election.
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LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)I am looking forward to reading the indictment. I am not a criminal lawyer but the indictment will still be fun to read
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)But what seems still up in the air is whether they roll the "fake electors" scheme into this (I believe there were different grand juries) or do that separately.
I haven't turned on the TV yet because I know they are going wild...
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)There will be conspiracy allegations. There was a plan to block the peaceful transfer of power and several acts taken in furtherance of this plan which will support a conspiracy. Georgia has a much loser RICO law and I understand that Fanni Willis will like use that theory in her indictments.
Again, I am corporate lawyer whose hobby is election law and voter protection.
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)What the degree allows you to do is have tort background and access to case sources.
IIRC, Smith brought in some "specialty" lawyers to assist, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with.
Walleye
(44,797 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)like any other citizen.
Lulu KC
(8,893 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,876 posts)It is obvious he is a danger to the public.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Apparently justice and good people are slow. Perhaps to the point of ineffectuality.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)Jack Smith is pretty impressive!
homegirl
(1,965 posts)Trump/MAGA projection technique!
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Tomconroy This message was self-deleted by its author.
Beachnutt
(8,909 posts)before the grand jury,
and giving me a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury.
Is this true ?
He is such a liar you never know.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)A last offer, because he certainly has had lots of opportunity to appear.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)RobertDevereaux
(2,036 posts). . . thickly covered in thousands of arrows, all of them sunk point-deep in the target's traitorous center.
Beachnutt
(8,909 posts)Surely not Cannons.
Wonder Why
(7,013 posts)wnylib
(26,008 posts)They will claim that it is impossible to get an unbiased jury in DC where the violence took place.
If his pet judge Cannon tries any more jiggery-pokery with dates, this is just waiting to fill the vacancy in his life.
yah, given his whole life is as vacant as the banality of evil.
Smith's gonna have him so booked up and looking for lawyers that he won't have time for election rallies.
ChazInAz
(3,017 posts)He strikes me as being the sort of lackwit who's easily bored.
Let's keep him occupied.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Botany
(77,319 posts)Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he has been told he is a target in the Jan. 6 criminal investigation by special counsel Jack Smith.
Smith already has criminally charged Trump with about two dozen crimes related to retaining classified documents when he left the White House.
Trump also suggested he may soon face indictment for the Jan. 6 probe, which is focused on Trumps efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 election to President Joe Biden. Trump posted his statement on his Truth Social account.
Deranged Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Bidens DOJ, sent a letter (again, it was Sunday night!) stating that I am a TARGET of the January 6th Grand Jury investigation, and giving me a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury, which almost always means an Arrest and Indictment, Trump wrote on his Truth Social site.
********
I hope the mother fucker is suffering.
COL Mustard
(8,218 posts)What did they ever do to you???
Yeah, Im smiling too!
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Scrivener7
(59,520 posts)Xipe Totec
(44,558 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)on that plane and head to Russia with his family...
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)It really never was, though there are odd parallels with this and the Shah's last days.
COL Mustard
(8,218 posts)National Day of Mourning. As least we Feds will get a day off.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)as everything else in his life, that plane might end up in the Atlantic - or the Pacific, depending on which dictator he flees toward.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)wnylib
(26,008 posts)his plane's mechanics better - or that he had paid them at all and not stiffed them. Imagine what kind of job a mechanic would do if poorly treated.
Attilatheblond
(8,876 posts)If he gets cleared to land in Russia would depend on what boxes or scanned docs he might still have?
wnylib
(26,008 posts)OTOH, Putin might welcome the distraction. He could claim to his people that it is proof that Russia is fighting fascism, as he claims that the invasion of Ukraine is all about. "We welcone the great President Trump in our fight against fascism in the US, Ukraine, and NATO."
Attilatheblond
(8,876 posts)Only Trump has bad things happen to him, according to Trump. Mindset of a 2 month old infant.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)He has to stop somewhere long before that. Most likely Ireland or Scotland, but he might be able to get to a few countries with Atlantic seafront, save for Norway.
Problem: None of those Atlantic seaboard countries in Europe are fond of him, and I doubt any of them retain enough good will toward him to aid and abet his attempt to escape prosecution in the US.
That's why he won't fly the coop. He knows he's bollocksed if he tries it.
wiggs
(8,812 posts)not standing in the only pathway which saves Trump. She would stand out among several judges who will be seeing tfg in court.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)If true, exquisite timing!
I doubt the timing of the notice is a concidence.
COL Mustard
(8,218 posts)If she can, watch for it. She was so on his side last year that nothing would surprise me.
Tommy Carcetti
(44,498 posts)But if it's before a jury is sworn in, it's appealable and not double jeopardy to refile.
Only way she could get the case thrown out permanently on her own would be to grant a directed verdict in Trump's favor after the jury is empaneled.
COL Mustard
(8,218 posts)I dont want to give her any ideas.
agingdem
(8,847 posts)she has two paths today..judicious/follow the law or Trump advocate/cheerleader and the 11th Circuit says "WTF!"..
as for Trump the J6 Target..I think this was Jack Smith's plan all along..once the documents case landed in Cannon's court and the 50/50 prospect of her doing the right thing, Smith was ready to indict Trump in New Jersey/DC...
OneGrassRoot
(23,953 posts)RussBLib
(10,635 posts)And I don't give a fuck if Trump's poll numbers go up with indictments. Those are the morons of America.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)The indictments will bring out his supporters in droves, but they will also bring out his opponents, and there are more of us.
If the trial is over and he is convicted, he might not be able to run in 2024. Depending on what the specific charges are, a conviction might disqualify him from office.
You can be sure that the fascist party knows this, too, and will have someone lined up to take his place. They will make him a martyr and try to draw in votes on that.
IF someone else runs in Trump's place, the fascist party platform will not change. They still intend to turn the presidency into a dictatorship if they get the power. All the more reason for us not to get complacent, and to make sure that Biden wins and gets the Congress that he needs to preserve democracy.
Thus will be the "trial of the century."
Mr. Ected
(9,714 posts)Let's just say that his appeal isn't growing; in truth, it's shrinking every day as more and more Republicans peel away from the MAGA train to join the real world. The media is stirring the shit and making their shrieks of anger much louder than they truly are.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Garland is NOT stopping Smith from prosecuting Trump.
So much for Garland the institutionalist shaking in fear from setting a precedent for indicting a former president...
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Oh, I missed that one. How silly! It's difficult for me to understand what motivates people who are conspiracy theorists or who continually engage in paranoid or defeatists speculation. I see no reason that anyone should distrust Joe Biden's judgement or for anyone to be resentful of him.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Never once saw fear. Ever. This is what a badass AG looks like.

Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(44,498 posts)Which also would place it close to the anticipated date of action in Georgia.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)Oh, my. What a summer!
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)wnylib
(26,008 posts)FarPoint
(14,764 posts)An opportunity for one to come into Grand Jury and clean up issues.. it is a chance to clarify ...tRump won't show
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)wnylib
(26,008 posts)Gives us a couple days for partying.
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)
?t=1678182814marmar
(79,739 posts)
FarPoint
(14,764 posts)My sense. Indictment on Thursday
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)I have a billion "breaking news" banners that came after the CNBC one (that even made an alert noise to let me know it was there).
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)and he can write a book called "Mein"
lastlib
(28,260 posts)Champagne's chillin'...........!
wnylib
(26,008 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Novara
(6,115 posts)FUCKIN YEEEEEE HAWWWWW!
I sometimes believed he'd never be held accountable and I sometimes believed he would be. I am so fucking happy to admit my doubting was wrong, wrong, wrong. I have never been happier to be wrong!
2live is 2fly
(336 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)Go get him, Jack!
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)Justice matters.
(9,786 posts)Hair Fuerher will die in prison.
Make it come true for the sake of the nation!
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Justice matters.
(9,786 posts)ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)Probably Budweiser, since the MAGAts boycott it now.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)What does that stand for?
Googling USIC is just pulling up references to something called the US Infrastructure Co. Not much help, lol.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)It's vernacular for the entire alphabet soup of intelligence agencies we have.
Hope that helps.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)Marthe48
(23,175 posts)I'm not going to believe this until somebody unconnected to that liar hears it from DoJ's lips to their ears!
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)The NBC group (NBC News, CNBC, MSNBC). Some others -
CBS
Trump receives a target letter in Jan. 6 special counsel investigation
By Caroline Linton, Robert Legare, Graham Kates, Melissa Quinn
Updated on: July 18, 2023 / 10:55 AM / CBS News
Former President Donald Trump posted on social media on Tuesday that he has received a letter indicating he is the target of a criminal investigation by a grand jury investigating attempts to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election.
Multiple sources confirmed to CBS News that the former president's post is accurate he did receive a target letter in the special counsel's investigation into the events surrounding the 2020 presidential election.
The former president said on Truth Social, his social media platform, that he had received a letter saying he's "a TARGET" of an investigation from special counsel Jack Smith Sunday night. Trump said he was given four days to report to the grand jury.
He repeated his claim that the special counsel is engaged in a "witch hunt" and criticized the investigation as a "complete and total political weaponization of law enforcement."
(snip)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-january-6-special-counsel-investigation-target-letter/
ABC
The development indicates another indictment of Trump could be imminent.
By Katherine Faulders, John Santucci, Alexander Mallin, and Luke Barr
July 18, 2023, 9:27 AM
Special counsel Jack Smith has informed former President Donald Trump by letter that he is a target in his investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.
Trump also confirmed the development in a post on his Truth Social platform.
The letter, which sources said was transmitted to Trump's attorneys in recent days, indicates that yet another indictment of the former president could be imminent -- though it is not immediately clear what kind of charges he could ultimately face.
Target letters are typically given to subjects in a criminal investigation to put them on notice that they are facing the prospect of indictment.
(snip)
https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-informs-trump-target-probe-efforts-overturn/story?id=101404037
CNN/WaPo/NYT are doing "live updates" things that are no good here in LBN.
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)I checked Google news, and each story I checked said 'trump said'. I scoff at anything the (pile) p.o.s. says
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)they normally go to for confirmation. I think they all initially reported that "he said" but those with actual sources sought them out and reported a confirmation or not. I think some like the NYT & WaPo are burying their ledes by not reporting some independent confirmation, although it's possible their bosses want a definitive source before "confirming" either way.
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)so that's different
If true, traitor probably couldn't wait from Sun. to Fri. to blab
nevergiveup
(4,815 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)😄
nevergiveup
(4,815 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 18, 2023, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)
he's already got the charges ready to file in the same DC courthouse where the grand jury votes and can file them on the same day. That's why I'm thinking probably Friday or Monday.
Cannon, will soon see
-- that Jack Smith won't be delayed no matter how indulgent she is of trump defense team's bullshit due process dance, so perhaps today's pre-trial docs and scheduling hearing will present her at her best. We'll see what that looks like;
-- another federal judge who'll show her how the trial process is properly and ethically done.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)He probably thought (and his lackeys probably told him) his pet judge would delay that trial for him and ensure him the election, thus allowing him to pardon himself.
(They'd say that to spare the poor innocent ketchup bottles.)
Jack Smith responds, No Fuckin Way!
Prairie_Seagull
(4,688 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)29 months and counting
Takket
(23,714 posts)Does that mean the GJ has already met?
Does it mean they have voted in indictments?
Are they just waiting to see if drumpf shows up and then they will vote?
ancianita
(43,307 posts)They don't vote for indictment until Trump fails to show on the date written in the target letter, and then they proceed.
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)his lawyers were apparently given notice that he was a "target" the day before (Wed. Jun 7) - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/live-updates-witness-appears-florida-trump-classified-documents-invest-rcna87304
Then freaked out when receiving a summons with a notification of an indictment (on Thurs. Jun. 8 and was told to appear on the following Tuesday) - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143085552
(this was the same classified documents case that is going on right now in FL with Loose Cannon)
Similarly, there were rumblings about Alvin Bragg wrapping things up and 45 claiming he was about to be arrested, although NY did a "head fake" about the grand jury not considering the issue as they would be working on another case, and might not get back to it until at least April... until they dropped the bomb of a vote and indictment 12 days later (Mar. 30) - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143053042
So I expect in both cases, he had been invited to testify (via the target letter) and declined. I.e., in NY and I expect this notice is that opportunity.
So for this 3rd case, it seems to suggest that the grand jury (if they haven't already done so) plans to meet and vote possibly this week on the indictment(s) and this might be his last opportunity to put his 2 cents in to the grand jury before the indictments drop.
Novara
(6,115 posts)... before he asks Cannon to postpone the Florida trial indefinitely (today). She now has no justification to push it past the election because it's likely the J6 trial will happen before the election anyway.
Keep in mind that this one will be in DC.
And remember, he does not have to be convicted of insurrection to be barred from the ballot. The Constitution does not require a conviction. I have heard that several secretaries of state have been conferring about keeping him off the ballot. Just the indictiment may push them to make that decision.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,507 posts)move by Jack Smith IMO.
Freakin beautiful!
Midnight Writer
(25,409 posts)for sending mean letters to Republicans."
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)pfitz59
(12,703 posts)Lock up the traitor and take away his phone.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)entire process involved with being charged by calling for a violent coup, just because he lost.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)physical metaphor of finally some (hopefully) legal restraint to the sheer malevolence of this man!
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)eat white cheddar popcorn... 😄
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)I have some white cheddar Cheetos! The "anti-orange".
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)has to happen Before Jack Smith can more Forward.. and that's Why most of us are "smiling".
Mahalo, BRDS.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)That's likely BS.
1) The US Government uses only USPS mail.
2) The only USPS letter mail that gets delivered on a Sunday would be Express mail, and I seriously doubt that the DOJ would send a target letter that way--they send out too many, and that would become too expensive. Last I heard, they used certified mail for something like that. Which, while a small step up from first class or Priority letter mail, still doesn't rate Sunday delivery.
Since it's likely that he's lying about when he got it, he's probably lying about a whole bunch else.
I'll wait for Smith to make an announcement before I take seriously anything this evil psychopath has to say.
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)That's likely BS.
1) The US Government uses only USPS mail.
Not correct. The federal government uses all sorts of shipping and delivery services including USPS. GSA awards contracts for vaious types of deliveries (including "freight" ) that might include Fedex or DHL or UPS. There is no restriction to only using USPS.
GSA lists contracts for deliveries - https://www.gsa.gov/buy-through-us/products-services/transportation-logistics-services/transportation-programs/transportation-and-logistics-services-schedule
And this includes "same day/express", etc. - https://www.gsa.gov/buy-through-us/products-services/transportation-logistics-services/transportation-programs/transportation-and-logistics-services-schedule/package-delivery
List of those contractors - https://www.gsaelibrary.gsa.gov/ElibMain/sinDetails.do?scheduleNumber=MAS&specialItemNumber=492110&executeQuery=YES
And for "local courier" services - https://www.gsa.gov/buy-through-us/products-services/transportation-logistics-services/transportation-programs/transportation-and-logistics-services-schedule/local-courier-delivery-services
List of contractors - https://www.gsaelibrary.gsa.gov/ElibMain/sinDetails.do?scheduleNumber=MAS&specialItemNumber=492210SB&executeQuery=YES
Since it's likely that he's lying about when he got it, he's probably lying about a whole bunch else.
I'll wait for Smith to make an announcement before I take seriously anything this evil psychopath has to say.
I'm afraid you went down the rabbit hole. The government will literally contract "couriers" to hand-deliver.
(I was a fed for 30+ years and had to deal with all the different ways we were sending out correspondence and packages to our regulated industries)
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)I'm going on what most government agencies have done in the past--which is use only USPS mail. Maybe that's changed, and, to me it's not for the better.
And I forgot that they could deliver a subpoena by hand.
Try not to be so presumptuous.
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)and you are incorrect. Anyone who DID work for the feds knows this. There is nothing "presumptuous" about "facts" versus "guessing".
USPS doesn't "deliver" to Antarctica but there would be a contractor who could fly in and deliver mail and parcels. GSA handles that process for the entire federal government.