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BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:31 PM Jul 2023

Democrats scramble to reach voters after Florida cancels mail-in ballot requests

Source: NBC News

Florida Democrats say they’re spending and organizing to chase down people who vote by mail after election officials across the state canceled all standing mail ballot requests this year. The mass cancellations were to comply with a 2021 election law that added new restrictions to mail-in voting. The legislation — which was celebrated by Gov. Ron DeSantis and slammed by voting rights advocates as discriminatory — cut the duration of mail-in ballot requests in half from four years to two.

It also required that existing requests for mail ballots be canceled at the end of 2022, forcing election workers to cancel millions of requests and start their lists of vote-by-mail voters from scratch. In practice, that means that voters who requested mail-in ballots in 2021 or 2022 will have to make such requests again to vote in local races and the 2024 primary and general elections. In previous years, voters would not have had to request a ballot again for four years.

Democrats in the state say the change disproportionately affects their voters, who have embraced mail-in voting more than Republicans since 2020, when then-President Donald Trump falsely claimed mail-in voting was rife with fraud. The new law is forcing campaigns to adapt; Democrats say they're organizing aggressively to educate voters about renewing their mail ballot requests, sapping resources from voter registration and other outreach efforts.

“It’s doing exactly what they intended it to do, which is suppress voters and take resources,” said Nikki Fried, chair of the state Democratic Party. “Instead of focusing our money, resources and time on other endeavors and talking to voters, we’re having to spend resources to get people back on the rolls.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-scramble-reach-voters-florida-cancels-mail-ballot-requests-rcna91294

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Democrats scramble to reach voters after Florida cancels mail-in ballot requests (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 OP
This tells you that Florida is a fraud............ Lovie777 Jul 2023 #1
repukes always celebrate suppressing the vote Skittles Jul 2023 #2
This is going to hurt them too...many older Floridians...good percentage GOP are also affected. Demsrule86 Jul 2023 #14
I was about to say that radical noodle Jul 2023 #20
and one lives at Mar-a-loco mountain grammy Jul 2023 #34
I hope you are right. riversedge Jul 2023 #28
That was the point. N/t CousinIT Jul 2023 #3
Ohio doesn't make it very easy to vote by mail. SamKnause Jul 2023 #4
I went to Board of Elections office Marthe48 Jul 2023 #6
It is a 50 mile round trip and I suffer from agoraphobia. SamKnause Jul 2023 #8
We were always lucky to settle in the county seat Marthe48 Jul 2023 #12
There is no way to make the internet secure. former9thward Jul 2023 #19
And the Special August 8th election is barely featured on the BOE website. SalamanderSleeps Jul 2023 #7
So true. SamKnause Jul 2023 #9
GOP is dispicable BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #5
You're goddamn right they are. ewcordon Jul 2023 #17
Making it illegal orangecrush Jul 2023 #10
Their registration software and check status software don't work! flamingdem Jul 2023 #11
This!! riversedge Jul 2023 #27
ALL states should have 100% mail-in voting for so many reasons. OMGWTF Jul 2023 #13
Public awareness is the key - notify FL voters that they need to renew their mailed ballot requests FakeNoose Jul 2023 #15
I'm sure this is a test, and other red states will follow. C Moon Jul 2023 #16
What a travesty!! Why isn't the corporate media interviewing the FL SOS about this diva77 Jul 2023 #18
Republicans have realized that preventing people from voting is the only chance they have to win Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #21
I know here in PA BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #22
A similar thing happened here in New York Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #23
I remember when NJ first started automatically sending mail ballots to voters BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #24
You mean "voter suppression" isn't working for them anymore? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #25
Yup BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #26
The only times besides during the pandemic when we got ballots sent to us that I voted by mail Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #29
When I was at college at UMASS BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #30
Have no idea here in FL the % of Dem in person voting but the vast majority of those hurt... machoneman Jul 2023 #31
Exactly!!! BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #32
I hope one day we can really become a democracy. mucifer Jul 2023 #33
No way to overstate what a big problem this is. FM123 Jul 2023 #35
Keep telling people that they can't vote and one day they'll show up with pitchforks and guillotines pecosbob Jul 2023 #36
I don't know about you guys but every time I go to the website of the Florida Supervisor of election mitch96 Jul 2023 #37
I think it depends on when you originally signed up for it BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #38
I have been getting mail in ballots for the last 10 years... I have changed county's also.nt mitch96 Jul 2023 #39
Well if the last place you signed up for was done in 2022 or before BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #40
Moved from SoFla to the west coast of Fla in 2020 and changed my voting address. mitch96 Jul 2023 #41
Good luck! BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #42
Fucking Fascist Florida.. I feel Cha Jul 2023 #43
The GOP has very small hopes for attracting voters with their policies, so world wide wally Jul 2023 #44

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
14. This is going to hurt them too...many older Floridians...good percentage GOP are also affected.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 08:04 PM
Jul 2023

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
34. and one lives at Mar-a-loco
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 09:32 AM
Jul 2023

but maybe he votes by mail in NYC, or maybe NJ, or maybe all of the above because when it comes to fraud, republicans have perfected it.

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
4. Ohio doesn't make it very easy to vote by mail.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:43 PM
Jul 2023

You have to request an application to vote by mail.

Fill it out and send it in.

Then you get the ballot.

You have to do this every time you vote.

We had 4 elections in 2022.

I had to fill out 4 separate applications to vote by mail.

You have to pay all of the postage for sending in the applications and ballots.

When I hear there is an election coming up, I call the Board of Elections and request an application to vote by mail.

You have to specify what kind of election it is, Primary, General, or Special.

I had a application on file for this year.

There was only suppose to be 1 election this year.

I called the Board of Elections, they said I had an application on file for the General.

They had to send me a new application for the Special August 8th election.

If I had not called I would not have received a ballot for August.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
6. I went to Board of Elections office
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jul 2023

and early voted. We voted by mail once or twice, but once we learned we could go to the BoE office, we did that. (I'm in Ohio, too)

It would be so modern if the states would allow voting on the Internet. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make it secure. That'll never happen in red states, because the rw doesn't want more people to vote. They want as few as possible to vote.

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
8. It is a 50 mile round trip and I suffer from agoraphobia.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:58 PM
Jul 2023

I rarely leave my home.

I like voting by mail.

I think after you have an application on file they should send you a ballot for all elections, but as you said they want to make it difficult.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
12. We were always lucky to settle in the county seat
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 07:43 PM
Jul 2023

or nearby. It wasn't something we thought about, but as I get older, I appreciate the convenience. I wouldn't want to drive 100 miles to vote in every election. If I miss early voting, my polling place is about a 1/2 mile. The way the r's in charge of this state shuffle elections and polling places, it's a wonder anybody gets to vote.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
19. There is no way to make the internet secure.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 12:08 AM
Jul 2023

Government and corporate sites are hacked everyday.

SalamanderSleeps

(1,022 posts)
7. And the Special August 8th election is barely featured on the BOE website.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:55 PM
Jul 2023

There is exactly one link that points to the election notice.

The GOFascists will do anything to ensure that they stay in power.

GOP=Mafia

ewcordon

(35 posts)
17. You're goddamn right they are.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 08:42 PM
Jul 2023

They're really fascist now. They will take power by whatever means they can. They attack the most vulnerable first, like trans people. Then gays, blacks. Restrict rights like abortion, voting, birth control. Better prepare to fight.

flamingdem

(40,891 posts)
11. Their registration software and check status software don't work!
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 07:05 PM
Jul 2023

It says must have Java Script enabled on a mac and on an iphone.

That seems fake. Who does this kind of error in this day and age??

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
15. Public awareness is the key - notify FL voters that they need to renew their mailed ballot requests
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 08:15 PM
Jul 2023

If the Democratic Party jumps on this immediately they can turn it around in their own favor.

We already know that the Repukes won't do shit to notify their own voters. But Democrats can turn this into a "good citizenship" opportunity, and a great chance to reach out to new voters and lapsed voters.

diva77

(7,880 posts)
18. What a travesty!! Why isn't the corporate media interviewing the FL SOS about this
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:26 PM
Jul 2023

and holding his feet to the fire?

Cord Byrd -- appointed by DeSatan

https://dos.myflorida.com/about-the-department/about-the-secretary/

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
21. Republicans have realized that preventing people from voting is the only chance they have to win
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:37 AM
Jul 2023

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
22. I know here in PA
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:53 AM
Jul 2023

when they first put the law in effect in 2020, they require re-registering for a mail ballot (no-excuse absentee ballot) every year although if you request for the spring primary, you have an option to check a box to automatically continue getting mail ballots for the remaining elections that year (including any special elections and the general election).

I am still just glad that we even have the option because until 2019, it wasn't even being discussed to do. Then suddenly in late 2019, the GOP state legislature passed it (because they wanted to use it as a "compromise" to get our (D) governor to also sign off on getting rid of "straight-party voting", the bane of the GOP) that was part of that bill. Now the GOP here is trying everything they can to repeal the law.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
23. A similar thing happened here in New York
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 05:16 AM
Jul 2023

During the pandemic, Governor Cuomo automatically sent mail-in ballots to everyone, at least for the primaries. I'm trying to remember if we got ballots for the general, too. We didn't have to request them, they just came, which was quite a relief.

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
24. I remember when NJ first started automatically sending mail ballots to voters
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 05:50 AM
Jul 2023

and in 2019, a year before the 2020 election, they revised their law to clarify that they planned to keep those who initially requested mail-ins before the law went into effect, on the list for any future election - https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/08/murphy-signs-law-fixing-mail-in-ballot-glitch-in-time-for-the-november-election.html

But with that, since the state was now going to be mailing them to every voter (although the option to vote "in person" was still available as part of their "hybrid model" ), the GOP heads exploded, and lawsuits ensued, and the courts threw the suits out.

I think FL and some others "missed the memo" because this year, literally a month ago, there has been a change in the GOP policy position to finally embrace mail votes because they realized that in the zeal to spite Democrats, they have put their own rural voters at risk.

GOP unveils program to get Republicans voting early: We need a 'change of culture'

June 7, 2023, 4:06 PM EDT
By Allan Smith

The Republican National Committee on Wednesday announced a new program to "maximize" pre-Election Day voting among Republicans following a yearslong effort by former President Donald Trump and allies to cast doubt on the early voting system. Dubbed "Bank Your Vote," the RNC-led program aims to encourage Republican voters on how to lock in their votes as early as possible "through in-person early voting, absentee voting, and ballot harvesting where legal," a party press release said.

The program will be carried out in conjunction with the National Republican Senatorial Committee and National Republican Congressional Committee. After an underwhelming midterm election cycle, party leaders ramped up calls to make a stronger effort at getting Republicans to cast early votes, citing a significant disadvantage the party faced in key swing states where Democrats took full advantage of various voting methods.

Trump and aligned candidates, however, continued a crusade to cast doubt over the legitimacy of early and mail-in balloting, limiting how many Republicans felt comfortable casting such votes. “We’ve got to have a change of culture among Republican voters," Rep. Richard Hudson of North Carolina, chairman of the NRCC, said on a conference call with reporters on Wednesday. "And it’s going to require us all on the same page."

(snip)

Asked about the push from Trump and allies to delegitimize early voting in recent cycles, RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said such efforts were harmful, but she believes they're in the rearview mirror. The party's presidential field, including Trump, is now talking up the importance of early voting, she added. "It’s simple math: You want to get as many votes in before Election Day," she said. "But that certainly is a challenge if you have people in your ecosystem saying don’t vote early or don’t vote by mail. And those cross messages do have an impact. I don’t think you’re seeing that heading into 2024. I think you’re seeing all of us singing from the same song." "We’re going to need all of all of us saying this to help voters feel comfortable voting early," she added.

(snip)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/gop-unveils-program-get-republicans-voting-early-change-culture-rcna88162


Too late!

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
25. You mean "voter suppression" isn't working for them anymore?
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:00 AM
Jul 2023

I would imagine that preventing rural voters from voting would backfire big time. Back during the 2016 election, I saw no TFG signs in my neck-of-the-woods. But a woman I know who lives up north in a log cabin by a stream on a dirt road invited some of us over one Saturday. So of course I got lost and was afraid to ask for directions since there were TFG signs in every yard.

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
26. Yup
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 06:20 AM
Jul 2023


They realized the "psychological effect" of all these Democrats who have "already voted" (early voting/mail voting) and there they are, (phony) "Patriotic Republicans®", trudging into a polling place, some traveling there from dozens of miles away in a truck that has a flat tire, to get to a county seat, proudly and arrogantly "casting their vote", while the votes of many Democrats have already been cast and they can just sit back and gloat as the GOP votes slowly trickle in.

The original intent of this type of voting came to a head after fiascos like what happened in OH back during the 2004 election when people were waiting for hours and hours in line to vote after they purged voter rolls, and then closed polling places, and the state got shamed into fixing that with allowing the early voting/no-fault mail ballots.

Believe it or not, despite all the hype, here in PA and even in Philly, most Democrats vote "in person" and only about 1/3rd use mail ballots.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
29. The only times besides during the pandemic when we got ballots sent to us that I voted by mail
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 07:14 AM
Jul 2023

Was when I was in college when my mother had absentee ballots sent to me. And when I worked the phones during my congressman's campaign, I had parents call whose kids were away at school so I learned what to tell them to have absentee ballots sent to their kids.

That's why I don't understand college kids voting at wherever their school is, where I went to school wasn't really my home and I was clueless about whether they had a mayor or what congressional district they were in.

Of course I was pretty clueless back in those days about a lot of things. I got sent to a private girls' boarding school in Massachusetts which was not my favorite time - and as seniors those of us from New York had to get up early one day and take a bus that took us to another private school over the New York border to take the Regents Scholarship Exam - in public school we had to take Regents Exams to pass certain courses, too.

Anyway, I must have done well, since I was one of three that took that bus who got a Regents Scholarship (which in my day basically paid for books). However, they called my parents to verify what county I lived in since I put down the wrong one. I had guessed, I really didn't know.

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
30. When I was at college at UMASS
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 07:41 AM
Jul 2023

I dutifully requested absentee ballots every election and what was funny was that once I sent them in and they were received by the city, they were then sent to what was my polling location at home just in time for election day so they could be opened, and counted.

And when my mom would go to vote at that location, the poll workers would proudly tell her that they had received my absentee ballot!

I liked our old absentee ballots because they were huge things that folded up in quarters I think (and you would check a box next to the name). The current ballots are smaller and obviously updated (thanks to the technology) to be computer/ballot machine-read, including using bar codes, etc.

Democrats here are trying to get the idiot GOP - at least in the state Senate since Democrats finally took over control of the state House - to amend the mail ballot law to allow "pre-canvassing" of the ballots before election day so all they have to do is feed the ballots into the machines and be on their way. But the GOP here still "haven't got the memo".

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
31. Have no idea here in FL the % of Dem in person voting but the vast majority of those hurt...
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 08:00 AM
Jul 2023

...by the suppression of mail in voting must be Republican voters. I find it funny that now the national GOP effort is to get their ilk to vote by mail, just as DeSatan (yes a great name!) and his compliant legislators have dumped all mail in ballot requests. I'll also bet that although it's too late, they also destroyed all records of who did vote that way on his order.

I'll also venture FL will see a drop-off in total R votes over the next few elections simply since we have a lot of older, infirm or shut-in voters who now see a harder path to vote. And yes, as the majority of all voters, the R's have dug an unnecessary hole in their own electorate. So much for looking into the possible effects of their woebegotten efforts to own us libs!

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
32. Exactly!!!
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 08:18 AM
Jul 2023

They "didn't get the memo" and went full speed ahead (although from what the OP article noted, the law had passed back in 2021 and they had already started their application purges for 2022 and 2023). Of course they *could* reverse course if they wanted (via legislation) but they are too brainwashed to move that juggernaut around.

The main reason they keep prevailing while smashing our voters, is that our voters still aren't turning out as much as they could. They are not living, breathing, or eating "politics" and are just trying to work, get a roof over their heads, and put food on the table and unfortunately, "voting" seems ancillary to doing that (and in many cases, is made too inconvenient for them to do so with their schedules).

The bellweather turnout for Democrats should be what was seen for 2008 (which happened after the 2006 Democratic takeover of the House for the first time since 1994).

FM123

(10,372 posts)
35. No way to overstate what a big problem this is.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 10:03 AM
Jul 2023

I live in Broward County, the bluest of blue counties here in FL and they are specifically sabotaging us. We have nearly 600,000 registered Democrats in Broward County to only 270,000 registered repubs. If they wipe out our mail in ballots, the damage will be devastating.

https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/data-statistics/voter-registration-statistics/voter-registration-reports/voter-registration-by-county-and-party/


"Broward County said its records reflect the totals on Election Day in November, when it sent out 428,000 mail ballots to voters. At the beginning of July, Broward had just 35,000 voters set up to receive mail ballots."


pecosbob

(8,387 posts)
36. Keep telling people that they can't vote and one day they'll show up with pitchforks and guillotines
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 10:52 AM
Jul 2023

mitch96

(15,804 posts)
37. I don't know about you guys but every time I go to the website of the Florida Supervisor of election
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 12:10 PM
Jul 2023

in my county and plug in my info it comes up I have requested mail in ballots and it's still in force. I have been checking every month and it says

Voter Status Eligible to vote in xxxxxx County.
You have a standing request to receive a mail ballot for elections occurring on or before 12/31/2024
.


Now the trick is will "they" really send it.
m

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
38. I think it depends on when you originally signed up for it
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 12:18 PM
Jul 2023

The OP article has -

voters who requested mail-in ballots in 2021 or 2022 will have to make such requests again to vote


So if you requested maybe earlier this year, you *should be* okay. If you requested before then, it's possible that either they haven't purged you "yet" so you are still in the system or they are counting on doing an "oops" bait and switch tactic by not updating the system in a timely fashion to give a heads-up.

mitch96

(15,804 posts)
39. I have been getting mail in ballots for the last 10 years... I have changed county's also.nt
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 12:23 PM
Jul 2023

BumRushDaShow

(169,758 posts)
40. Well if the last place you signed up for was done in 2022 or before
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jul 2023

then it will go "poof". That's why the "scramble". It looks like what they are saying is that an application for mail ballots will only be good for 2 years.

Here in PA, we have to apply every year for it, but with that application, we can select an option to do mail ballots for "all" elections for that year (primary, special, general), and one will be automatically be sent for any elections held that year. But if the option isn't selected, then a ballot would be sent for the first election after the application was received and that's it. You'd have to request again for the next election that year.

mitch96

(15,804 posts)
41. Moved from SoFla to the west coast of Fla in 2020 and changed my voting address.
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 01:38 PM
Jul 2023

No "poof" yet.
As usual I'll keep apprised of the situation..
m

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
44. The GOP has very small hopes for attracting voters with their policies, so
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 04:40 PM
Jul 2023

they just try to keep people from voting at all

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