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Jose Garcia

(3,566 posts)
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:01 AM Jul 2023

Kevin Spacey found not guilty on all charges in U.K. sexual assault trial

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/n

American Kevin Spacey was found not guilty Wednesday of all the sexual assault charges he was facing in a U.K. trial. The actor had faced nine sexual offense charges related to incidents reported by four men that allegedly took place between 2001 and 2013.

The Academy Award-winning actor had pleaded not guilty to all of the charges.

All four of the alleged victims — who can't be named under U.K. law — testified during the trial, as did Spacey himself, who said he was crushed by the allegations.

In their testimony, the four men described Spacey a "sexual bully" and a predator.

Read more: CBS News

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Kevin Spacey found not guilty on all charges in U.K. sexual assault trial (Original Post) Jose Garcia Jul 2023 OP
No doubt he was a predator. Ick. His career is over, anyway. flying_wahini Jul 2023 #1
Wow if you have knowledge of this you should have testified! Snooper9 Jul 2023 #9
Some reasonable doubt, obviously. 12 jurors listening to every ounce of evidence said so, while Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #14
I guess the trial doesn't matter Renew Deal Jul 2023 #16
What do you base this on ? JI7 Jul 2023 #20
And you no doubt know this how? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2023 #29
You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Can you enlighten us regarding what special Martin68 Jul 2023 #30
I'll still never watch him again EYESORE 9001 Jul 2023 #2
The accusers were found to be serial liars by the court. former9thward Jul 2023 #3
That, too, is a conclusion that you can't actually take from the court muriel_volestrangler Jul 2023 #24
Unbelievable. oldsoftie Jul 2023 #4
Elton John and his partner both testified on Spacey's behalf, albeit on one specific issue... hlthe2b Jul 2023 #5
L.A. Confidential...mostly because of Russell Crowe as Bud White. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2023 #8
Captain Dudley Smith (James Cromwell) was a rockstar villain Kennah Jul 2023 #31
he's a very good actor. Think of all the opportunities he's missed... could have been in both Barbi BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #10
He is (or was) an excellent actor. Ocelot II Jul 2023 #17
Our law system is based on the British system onetexan Jul 2023 #26
Yes. But our legal system also has constitutional protections Ocelot II Jul 2023 #27
I have mixed feelings Marthe48 Jul 2023 #6
Great news!! aeromanKC Jul 2023 #7
The world we live in... Pototan Jul 2023 #11
Yup, go figure. Famous people who have been credibly accused of sexual assault Ocelot II Jul 2023 #18
If it wasn't for his legal troubles The Grand Illuminist Jul 2023 #12
Kevin Spacey leaves Southwark Crown Court today after being cleared of all charges in his BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #13
On way to civil litigation lawyers office, no doubt. Time for justice for the accusers. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #15
I accept the verdict. hamsterjill Jul 2023 #19
I too accept the verdict. Aussie105 Jul 2023 #34
Contrast that with the Judge who confirmed that the jury found Trump DID Rape Obvious85 Jul 2023 #21
I wonder if he'll remain in Britain now? FakeNoose Jul 2023 #22
Hard to determine guilt without seeing the evidence Bayard Jul 2023 #23
Good. I'm glad it's over for him. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #25
I liked him in that movie that won an academy award tiredtoo Jul 2023 #28
He's probably not going to be able to work again for awhile. Xolodno Jul 2023 #32
He is in a movie coming out next month: Jose Garcia Jul 2023 #33
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
14. Some reasonable doubt, obviously. 12 jurors listening to every ounce of evidence said so, while
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:57 AM
Jul 2023

being instructed on he pertinent law by a jurist…I will go with the Jury and Justice System.

Martin68

(28,296 posts)
30. You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Can you enlighten us regarding what special
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 09:22 PM
Jul 2023

information you are privy to? Or are you just going on instinct like some Republicans we know?

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
3. The accusers were found to be serial liars by the court.
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:08 AM
Jul 2023

The testimony by Elton John and his husband was particularly important showing they were lying.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,834 posts)
24. That, too, is a conclusion that you can't actually take from the court
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 12:46 PM
Jul 2023

There was no declaration, apart perhaps from Spacey's defence barrister, that they are "serial liars". They have not been "shown" or "found" to have been lying.

The jury had originally been deadlocked on some of the charges, the AP previously reported. The judge then told the jury earlier today that they could return a nonunanimous verdict if 10 of the 12 jurors agreed.

https://www.vulture.com/2023/07/kevin-spacey-not-guilty-sexual-assault-trial.html

So 10 or 11 of the jurors decided that none of the charges had been proved beyond reasonable doubt. That does not mean the court found the accusers were liars.

hlthe2b

(115,173 posts)
5. Elton John and his partner both testified on Spacey's behalf, albeit on one specific issue...
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:10 AM
Jul 2023

I find it hard to believe that there was not some truth in the accusations--even if the one John and his husband testified to may have been less so (I'm not questioning John's veracity). I'd be curious to know if there was something about the conduct of the British trial that made conviction less likely.

Spacey has quite the challenge if he thinks he will make a Hollywood comeback. Admittedly I did really like him in House of Cards...

ProudMNDemocrat

(21,030 posts)
8. L.A. Confidential...mostly because of Russell Crowe as Bud White.
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:18 AM
Jul 2023

Other than that, I do not watch Kevin Spacey films.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(15,492 posts)
10. he's a very good actor. Think of all the opportunities he's missed... could have been in both Barbi
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:48 AM
Jul 2023

and Oppenheimer. Too bad he's a freak.

Ocelot II

(131,801 posts)
17. He is (or was) an excellent actor.
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 11:02 AM
Jul 2023

He was great in House of Cards and The Usual Suspects. From what I know of British law, I don't think a conviction is any less likely than in our courts - the judge is allowed to express an opinion as to the defendant's guilt and the credibility of witnesses, for example. Maybe the witnesses weren't very credible. But he probably won't be able to make a comeback. He's yet another example of a talented person with unsavory personal behavior.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
26. Our law system is based on the British system
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 03:18 PM
Jul 2023

So yes i trust the jury to return the correct verdict. IMO there were just too many holes in the witnesses' story. Spacey will be ok finding work in england. As for the US the public tends to have short memory (look at the Con). He may in the future find work here.

Ocelot II

(131,801 posts)
27. Yes. But our legal system also has constitutional protections
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 04:37 PM
Jul 2023

that the British system does not have; I think convictions might be easier for a British prosecutor to get than would be possible for an identical crime here. Although our system is based on Britain's, over time it's become very different in many ways.

Pototan

(3,240 posts)
11. The world we live in...
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:50 AM
Jul 2023

Kevin Spacey is found not guilty of sexual assault, yet he has been black balled in Hollywood and on TV and will probably never work again. That's the prerogative of his employers and the choice of the public.

But here's the rub. Although Spacey has to pay a price for credible accusations, even after an acquittal, Trump, who was found responsible for sexual assault by a unanimous verdict of a jury in a civil case, remains 50 points ahead of his nearest rival for the Republican nomination for President of the United States.

WTF.

Ocelot II

(131,801 posts)
18. Yup, go figure. Famous people who have been credibly accused of sexual assault
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 11:17 AM
Jul 2023

are (sometimes) convicted of crimes, and even if not, their careers are destroyed - but we have an ex-president whose reprehensible behavior, sexual and otherwise, is regarded by his cult as a feature rather than a bug. I'd happily trade Spacey's acquittal for TFG's conviction.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,104 posts)
12. If it wasn't for his legal troubles
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 10:52 AM
Jul 2023

He could have reprised his role of Lex Luthor in The Flash movie.

hamsterjill

(17,943 posts)
19. I accept the verdict.
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 11:17 AM
Jul 2023

The jurors heard the testimony and saw the evidence. They rendered a verdict.

Accusers have been known to lie. Predators have been known to get off scott free. We don’t know.

That said, if he is indeed innocent of the charges, I feel badly for him because his career will never be the same and I thought he was good at his craft.

Aussie105

(8,346 posts)
34. I too accept the verdict.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 05:39 AM
Jul 2023

But the damage has been done.

The public will not easily turn their disdain and disgust away from him and direct it at his accusers.

Sorry, but your career is over.


Obvious85

(262 posts)
21. Contrast that with the Judge who confirmed that the jury found Trump DID Rape
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jul 2023

No if, ands, or buts, in spite of Trump's continued denial

FakeNoose

(42,996 posts)
22. I wonder if he'll remain in Britain now?
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jul 2023

Maybe he's decided to retire, or maybe it's been decided for him. It seems there's a lot of hostility towards him.

Bayard

(30,646 posts)
23. Hard to determine guilt without seeing the evidence
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 12:36 PM
Jul 2023

I do like his movies......L.A. Confidential, Pay It Forward, Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil, Se7en, many more.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
28. I liked him in that movie that won an academy award
Wed Jul 26, 2023, 06:37 PM
Jul 2023

Name of movie escapes me. It was "American Beauty" 1999 movie.

Xolodno

(7,381 posts)
32. He's probably not going to be able to work again for awhile.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 03:31 AM
Jul 2023

But I wouldn't put it past some Hollywood producer to bring him in for some movie. And he'll probably hit it out of the park as he has no incentive to just phone it in. Then the headlines will be how "he's back".

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