Whistleblower tells Congress the US is concealing 'multi-decade' program that captures UFOs

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By NOMAAN MERCHANT
Updated 3:03 PM CDT, July 26, 2023

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. is concealing a longstanding program that retrieves and reverse engineers unidentified flying objects, a former Air Force intelligence officer testified Wednesday to Congress. The Pentagon has denied his claims.

Retired Maj. David Grusch’s highly anticipated testimony before a House Oversight subcommittee was Congress’ latest foray into the world of UAPs — or “unidentified aerial phenomena,” which is the official term the U.S. government uses instead of UFOs. While the study of mysterious aircraft or objects often evokes talk of aliens and “little green men,” Democrats and Republicans in recent years have pushed for more research as a national security matter due to concerns that sightings observed by pilots may be tied to U.S. adversaries.

Grusch said he was asked in 2019 by the head of a government task force on UAPs to identify all highly classified programs relating to the task force’s mission. At the time, Grusch was detailed to the National Reconnaissance Office, the agency that operates U.S. spy satellites.

“I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access,” he said.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/ufos-uaps-congress-whistleblower-spy-aliens-ba8a8cfba353d7b9de29c3d906a69ba7

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FULL story and video at link.

[BigmanPigman]

1. Jimmy Carter saw them and wanted transparency...

Way before the GQP wanted "transparency".

Jimmy Carter saw them and tried to make it transparent.....

"What Jimmy Carter really thought about UFOs — and why he hid it"...

"It was out of this world, y’all.

"In 1969, Jimmy Carter, along with ten others, witnessed what the to-be president called a “very remarkable sight” in the skies over Georgia. As bright as the moon and about as big,” he later wrote of the unidentified flying object in a report to the Oklahoma City-based International UFO Bureau, while governor of the Peach State."

“[The object] seemed to move toward us from a distance, stopped, moved partially away, returned, then departed. Bluish at first, then reddish, luminous, not solid,” he wrote descriptively. The experience stirred the would-be No. 39 to bring UFO’s into the conversation during his campaign in 1976."

“If I become President, I’ll make every piece of information that this country has about UFO sightings available to the public,” he told the American people. “I am convinced that UFOs exist because I have seen one. Today, Carter’s promise of transparency is considered to have made a major contribution to the conversation surrounding intelligent life beyond Earth — even if he wasn’t always happy he’d stuck his neck out on the subject."

“Jimmy Carter is responsible for releasing about half of the government’s UFO files to the public,” Grant Cameron, author of the new book “Jimmy Carter: Paranormal and UFO Tales,” out Thursday, told The Post."

https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/jimmy-carter-ufo-sighting-what-he-really-thought/

[masmdu]

46. President Carter co-taught a history class I had at Emory U. He was asked

by another student in the class about the government and UFOs. His response was, "I can't talk about that".

[edhopper]

59. Carter never thought it was a alien craft

he thought it was a barium cloud from a rocket launch. Though the planet Venus, often mistaken for UFOs is a possible explanation.

http://www.debunker.com/texts/What%20Jimmy%20Carter%20Saw.pdf

[LudwigPastorius]

75. Venus, hunh?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

80. That Man in Black's

partner turned out to be a bit of a surprise.

[LudwigPastorius]

83. That guy shouldn't reveal the other MIB's identity.

It would definitely put his life in jeopardy.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. UAP Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - Tin Foil Hats

[Archae]

3. The more I see from this guy Grusch...

The more I'm convinced he is full of it.

This is absolute bullshit.

[Major Nikon]

5. Pretty sure 5G is controlling your thoughts

There's only one way to know what's really going on these days.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

56. Funny, an MIT experiment

showed it was actually easier to "read your thoughts" when you had that hat on than not

[mahina]

71. You are clearly right because that cats thoughts are coming in clear as day

[MorbidButterflyTat]

81. Had

the same reaction!

Kitty with tinfoil:

[cloudbase]

8. I don't know anything about him.

I'll say this, though; retiring as a major isn't a mark of a stellar career, unless he started out as an airman and received a commission later.

[Major Nikon]

12. I'm not even sure he retired from the military

He may have just quit when he couldn't get promoted and or was forced out in one way or another. According to his congressional testimony he then became a civil service employee and claimed, "My name is David Charles Grusch. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years, both in the US Air Force (USAF) at the rank of Major and most recently, from 2021-2023, at the National Geospatial-
Intelligence Agency at the GS-15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full-bird Colonel."

This is just flat out nonsense. A GS-15 is not the military equivalent of anything other than for trivial things like which temporary housing units you are allowed to occupy at military bases. There's people in GS-15 positions that aren't even considered management. The position on the GS scale you occupy has very little to do with responsibility. The fact he's even mentioning it during his testimony means he's trying to highly inflate his importance.

[cloudbase]

14. I was just going by the second paragraph of the OP.

[TomSlick]

18. Exactly.

It's rare to retire as a major unless you're retired for service-connected medical reasons or have a lot of enlisted time.

I'm skeptical. My bet is that he was passed-over for promotion and separated - not retired.

[Kennah]

41. I went looking for his career timeline

A Reddit post says he entered service in 2009 and left in 2016. 7 years to Major isn't bad.

[SoFlaBro]

23. Do you think he is a fucking bullshit artist all the way or just fucking around with the American pu

blic?

[reACTIONary]

27. +10 nt

[edhopper]

4. Jeez

[Polybius]

44. Ironic that the meme is from Star Trek

[edhopper]

58. It did not go

unnoticed.

[Srkdqltr]

6. Who told him and who has the classified documents?

Did the person who told him see the documents?

[hvn_nbr_2]

7. Earth must be a pretty toxic place

It seems like aliens are able to navigate thousands (millions? billions?) of light years through wormholes or portals or whatever but as soon as they get to earth, they start crashing all over the place. Does nitrogen in the atmosphere make alien pilots drunk? Does the earth's magnetic field interfere with their instruments? Have they been in space so long that they don't know to deal with gravity any more? How can such sophisticated intelligences be such bad pilots when they get to earth? Are the aliens with the Jewish space lasers shooting down the other aliens?

And a question about our reactions: When we went to the barren, presumably lifeless moon, we still took precautions against contamination by moon rocks. But when alien crafts with alien life on board crash, some guys just go out and pick up the pieces, take them to the lab, and start tinkering with them?

[reACTIONary]

30. It's even crazier than that...

... He comcieds that the laws of physics make it virtually impossible to traverse the distances to get here. Instead, he thinks the aliens are from a near by "higher dimensional" space or domain. They don't have go far, they just have go "down".

[milestogo]

78. If there's a "crash" it probably means our military shot them out of the sky.

[PlutosHeart]

9. Welcome back the

Fiji Mermaid as the non-human alien remains. PT Barnum said "There's a sucker was born every minute"Countdown to the Repubs/MAGAS claiming the Bidens as being them. Anything already labeled as a National Security Risk sends flags up right away at this point when they are the National Security Risk.

[William Seger]

10. "Whistleblower" tells Congress someone told him...

Shesh, remember when "whistleblower" was someone with actual inside INFORMATION? Now, it's anyone repeating rumors...

[reACTIONary]

31. +10 nt

[PSPS]

11. Aw Jeez...

[Kid Berwyn]

64. The Pentagon, CAA and the People have reason to be concerned about UFOs.

Here’s part of why the Pentagon considers UFOs serious business:

People have died and disappeared without a trace: Mantell, Moncla, Wilson and Valentich.

The first three were pilots, officers in the United States armed forces. The fourth name was a young Australian air cadet.

Each lost their life in association with UFOs. There likely are others. Here's a bit on them:

Thomas Mantell

Mantell Case (1948)

EXCERPT...

Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.

On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.

At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."

Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the air—one piloted by Mantell—were told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.

One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object "which) looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.

The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.

Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.

Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html

Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson



USAF Radar operator stated he watched the aircraft approach the UFO; then saw the two blips merge into one return that quickly moved off the screen.

Marksville Weekly News

Avoyelles Parish has connections to a UFO mystery that goes back 49 years. Gordon Heath from Surrey, British Columbia was in Marksville recently to investigate the background of Lt. Felix E. Moncla who disappeared along with another crew member, Second Lt. Robert L. Wilson, over Lake Superior on Monday, November 23, 1953.

According to Heath, who is a UFO hobbyist, Moncla was on temporary assignment at Kinross Air Force Base in ...(sic. Michigan)... when he was sent to identify and unidentified craft over the Soo Locks, which is restricted airspace. Moncla, in an F-89C, pursued the craft for about 30 minutes flying at 30,000 feet over the middle of Lake Superior. He was flying about 500 mph when he was instructed by ground radar to descend to 7,000 feet.

When the unidentified craft was finally on radar it was noted that the two radar images, the UFO and the Air Force jet, were very close and at some point they intersected but only one remained. Heath says that the unidentified craft flew north and disappeared from radar.

Lt. Moncla's jet mysteriously disappeared without a trace.

No remains of the crew or wreckage of the F-89C have been found.

Frederick Valentich

Delta Sierra Juliet? Do you read?

Boats and aircraft have found no trace of the 20-year old Australian pilot who disappeared with his plane on Saturday night after radioing that he was being chased by a UFO. Frederick Valentich was on a 125 mile training flight in his single engine Cessna 182 along the coast of Bass Strait when he told air traffic controllers in Melbourne that he was being buzzed by a UFO with 4 bright lights about 1000 feet above him.

Controllers said his last message was taped and was: "It's approaching from due east towards me. It seems to be playing some sort of game... flying at a speed I can't estimate. It's not an aircraft. It's...It is flying past. It is a long shape. I cannot identify more than that. It's coming for me right now." A minute later: "It seems to be stationary. I'm also orbiting and the thing is orbiting on top of me also. It has a green light and a sort of metallic light on the outside." Valentich then radioed that his engine was running roughly. His last words were: "It is not an aircraft."

The Australian Air Force said it had received 11 reports from people along the coast who said they saw UFOs on Saturday night, but the Transport Department was skeptical. Ken Williams, a spokesman for the department, said, "It's funny all these people ringing up with UFO reports well after Valentich's disappearance. It seems people often decide after the event, they too had seen strange lights. But although we can't take them too seriously, we can never discourgae such reports when investigating a plane's disappearance."

SNIP...

ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE

The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).

1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.

1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.

1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?

DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.

1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)

1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.

1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?

DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?

DSJ Affirmative.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.

1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).

1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.

1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?

1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.

DSJ Say again.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?

DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).

SOURCE: http://www.ufocasebook.com/australianpilot.html

So there are three important parts of the reason why the Pentagon and CAA consider UFOs "serious business" and we should, too.

[PSPS]

77. They better check in with Colonel Meninger!

[Kid Berwyn]

79. Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

...in 1967 at Malmstrom Air Force Base.

Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

SEPTEMBER 28, 2010 / 10:33 AM / CBS

Whatever the mysterious lights in the sky were, they seemed to have an interest in our nukes.

One of the more out-of-the-ordinary press conferences held in Washington this week consisted of former Air Force personnel testifying to the existence of UFOs and their ability to neutralize American and Russian nuclear missiles.

UFO researcher Robert Hastings of Albuquerque, N.M., who organized the National Press Club briefing, said more than 120 former service members had told him they'd seen unidentified flying objects near nuclear weapon storage and testing grounds.

Star & Stripes quoted former Air Force Capt. Robert Salas, who was at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana in 1967 when 10 ICMs he was overseeing suddenly became inoperative - at the same time base security informed him of a mysterious red glowing object in the sky.

Robert Jamison, a retired USAF nuclear missile targeting officer, told of several occasions having to go out and "re-start" missiles that had been deactivated, after UFOs were sighted nearby.

CONTINUED...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

I don't know what UFOs are. I don't think they're all that funny.

[Judi Lynn]

13. The AP article brings along with it the video of the entire hearing.

Now, instead of just mocking the speakers, some ubiquitous UFO thread posters will be able to hear what it is they are mocking first, and then go after them, as well as everyone who gives them an honest hearing.

Thanks for posting this article, O.S.

[BigmanPigman]

19. Bingo!

The mocking on this site is ridiculous. I thought we were more open minded and cared about science and tech. as a party. Jimmy Carter saw UFOs. Is he a lying, dishonest crackpot with no respect? No. That is what this is about. Getting more info, knowledge and answers, not little green men probing our bodies.

"What Jimmy Carter really thought about UFOs — and why he hid it".
https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/jimmy-carter-ufo-sighting-what-he-really-thought/

[ProfessorGAC]

24. Where's The Science Here?

The science suggests an infinitesimal probability of a race with interstellar capability being here just at this point in time.
The SCIENCE says such "revelations" are far more likely a fantasy.
And, this guy isn't talking about aerial phenomena that we can't fully explain.
He's talking about reverse engineering of actual extraterrestrial technology.
Nobody on this thread is disputing the probability of life elsewhere in the universe. They're disputing the veracity of tales about captured spaceships.
Carter saw a UFO. True. Did he claim it was a starship? No. Did he insist it was an alien visitation? No.
Why? Because science (which he studied) doesn't encourage wild speculation to satisfy what one wishes were true.
This guy has zero evidence. Hearsay, only.
He's a crackpot, and there is nothing anti-science about my opinion on that.

[reACTIONary]

32. +10 nt

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

55. Science, not sure, but the data is there

those sightings of "tik tac" objects by the Nimitz carrier group off the coast of CA were "seen" by multiple ships, onboard video targeting systems by the fighter jets, and visually seen by the Navy pilots.
It was doing things that are impossible with no sign of propulsion.

The science? who knows, but the observable facts are there.

[ProfessorGAC]

69. Missing The Point

And, I think you know that.
Observations do not mean one jumps to conclusions.
"Saw something", doesn't mean alien craft. That's wild speculation.
Science does not incorporate wild speculation.
Does it require speculation leading to ideas on how to further investigate? Sure. Does it encourage jumping to the first conclusion that suits the desired outcome? Unequivocally, no.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

72. Not to belabor this

but, at least in this instance, it was not just a sighting. It was corroborated between multiple ships and onboard systems, and the pilots. So it can't be a glitch, an anomaly, etc, and it did things impossible with any kind of tech today (namely, the acceleration speeds that would liquefy anything onboard with no visible propulsion systems).

Not that we jump to E.T. stuff like so many want to, but still...

I could image robotics from somewhere else sending probes before I see ET or Klaatu and Gort

[edhopper]

60. Jimmy Carter thought he saw a barium cloud

from a rocket launch.

Though Venus has also been offered as an explanation.

http://www.debunker.com/texts/What%20Jimmy%20Carter%20Saw.pdf


Not knowing what you see or being mistaken about the details doesn't make someone a crackpot or a liar. So this has absolutely nothing about that. Yours is a strawman argument in full.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

15. Well that explains the space lasers - MTG

[SouthernDem4ever]

51. I think it explains where MTG came from

It certainly isn't of this world.

[AllaN01Bear]

16. my worker and i were talking about this very subject today.

he and i felt it would be very arrogent of us to feel that we are the only 1s. on my worker , i have somone who is paied to take me shopping , drs appts .etc 2 days / week.

[VeryProgressive]

17. He's Lying

I don't believe a word this guy is saying. He's got nothing to back any of this up as well. We have got to stop believing these people until there is more conclusive evidence.

[unc70]

47. Nine posts in 11 years at DU

Possibly an interesting story?

[ImNotGod]

21. I was abducted, probed & saved the world by crashing my jet into the alien motherships

destructo beam and been trying for years to get AP to write an article about it

[ZonkerHarris]

22. You let these aliens in and pretty soon there's an Anal Probing truck on every corner.

[reACTIONary]

34. +10 nt

[MorbidButterflyTat]

82. And

a Republican will be administering them.

[oldsoftie]

25. Its amazing how many self-important experts we have here!!

Just because we dont know something exists doesnt mean it dissent exist. I dont KNOW "other worldly" craft exist or if they dont. neither does anyone else. The stuff didnt just start happening 10yrs ago; there are engravings 1000 yrs old of what appear to be flying craft. We dont KNOW what they were drawing or not drawing.
There are a LOT of unexplained videos out there of pretty amazing things going on. I always hope its just OUR govt doing testing on shit we dont need to know about. When the F-117 started testing people thought THEY were UFOs
Its pretty arrogant to assume we know everything that can possibly exist or not exist.
But "show me the money".

[Chainfire]

29. It is not up to the disbelievers to prove that there are not UFOs,

The burden of proof is on the believers. Yea, show me or it didn't happen.

Of course there is far more that we don't know than what we do know, but we shouldn't try to fill the void with fables; leave that to religion. The UFO hype comes in waves, that doesn't mean that UFOs do. This wave will pass like the ones before.

[reACTIONary]

33. +10 nt

[edhopper]

61. You have that completely backwards

Claims that something exists require proof. If there is no evidence, it is not 50/50 whether it exists or not.

[oldsoftie]

65. Well, there are plenty of videos of different things doing weird things

with no explanations & pretty well educated folks describing them, like the fighter pilots. Proving just WHAT those things are is the issue. But the objects exist. A lot of people posting here are flatly saying there's nothing at all to any of it. Well, they dont KNOW that, they just believe it. I dont KNOW any of these things are "alien" in origin, but I dont know they aren't either. The only thing I know is they exist & many so far have no explanation.
And as I said in the past, I'd rather it be alien than something a foreign adversary has come up with!

[edhopper]

67. No the objects do not "exists"

what exists is people seeing things they can't identify, and that is where it ends. Pilots, even military pilots misidentify things and are mistaken about the details all the time. They are no more immune to human foibles than anyone else.

What people are saying here is there is ZERO evidence for alien visitation. Without evidence, saying "I don't know if it is not" gives the same weight to a highly improbable option. It is not 50/50

I don't know if invisible unicorns exist, but I am not saying it is as likely as not.

[rickford66]

26. In 1492 the Portuguese didn't think it was possible to circumnavigate the Earth.

Just saying.

[DavidDvorkin]

28. So where is the reverse-engineered alien tech?

[Chainfire]

35. Yea, I want some of that faster than light shit under the hood of my pickup.

Anyone who is advanced far enough for interstellar travel could figure out how to observe without being seen. And why is all of the sightings on a scale that we can relate to? Why not molecular sized vehicles or gigantic shade throwing mother ships? They hype is all bullshit.

I do not doubt of an instant that there are not other civilizations spread around the billions of galaxies, some of them far advanced than we are, but I don't believe that we have seen hide nor hair of them.

[ZonkerHarris]

36. how do you know you are not using it already? Cell phone? Microwaves?

you gotta ease these primates into future tech
their monkey brains cant handle it all right away.

[DavidDvorkin]

37. If that's the best the aliens can do, then humanity will soon rule the galaxy

Not to mention that we know how those gadgets got invented by humans.

[GB_RN]

38. Microwaves...

Were a side discovery while working with radar during WWII. Hence the name Amana (a Raytheon subsidiary) Radarange.

No aliens involved in this one. 😁😉

[ZonkerHarris]

39. That we know of

[Polybius]

45. Perhaps it's the Stealth Bomber

Or perhaps it's something so spectacular that we haven't used it yet, because there hasn't been a reason.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

57. I would really throw the SR-71 in that category.

Impossible plane to build and design back then, yet they did.

[edhopper]

62. Huh?

the evidence is that we don't have anything yet?

[harun]

73. Maybe that's where the fast switching tech the Internet uses came from.

Weapons tech would all be classified.

[Recursion]

40. Important to note that Grusch doesn't claim to have seen them

Just the paper trail and a lack of accountability for that paper trail.

[SouthernDem4ever]

52. I noticed that too

He has no evidence other than what someone else said - so he's complete hearsay.

[Kennah]

42. Giorgio Tsoukalos says

[Polybius]

43. I 100% believe him

In time the naysayers will be shown the truth.

[mwb970]

48. I think not.

Who falls for this stuff??

[LudwigPastorius]

49. Conveniently, no physical proof of his claims.

Just, “This guy told me stuff”.

[Aussie105]

50. Of course there are aliens!

They live amongst us!

In fact, I'm convinced I'm the only living human being left on Earth, the others have all been subsumed by alien shape shifters!

Now, I must hasten back to my underground bunker before they . . . oh shoot, too late!

[SouthernDem4ever]

53. Yes, Lizard people

Like all the members of the freedum caucus.

[Brenda]

54. Made it all the way here with warp or something, then crashed.

This is the part that sounds fake to me. I grew up near WPAFB and have seen multiple UFO's/UAP's. I believe.

I've been reading about this Disclosure from the government for 20 years. I don't think it will happen.

I believe some of the pilots and other witnesses, but then there are some who are ludicrous, saying there's an alien base on the dark side of the moon and he's been there.

Sure, pal.

[Polybius]

70. Perhaps they are so advanced that they can't concept anything other than peace

So they are surprised when the military shot them down.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

63. This UFO BS is...

the biggest psyop in the history of the USA.***





***Just my opinion

[Recycle_Guru]

74. continuation of previous rounds of same

US Navy and Airforce skink works come up with seemingly physics defying military hardware and when the rubes start to notice things, say its aliens

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

76. Yup.

[ashredux]

66. Everyone has data, but they somehow cannot bring it forward.

It’s still the old “I have proof” but I’m not able to show it to you scam

[edhopper]

68. They can show you

but then they would have to kill you.