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BumRushDaShow

(169,308 posts)
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:47 AM Jul 2023

July was so hot that scientists think it has already been the hottest month ever

Source: NBC News

The first three weeks of July have been so warm that it’s almost certain the month will become the hottest ever recorded, the World Meteorological Association announced Thursday.

Last month was the hottest June ever.

“Record-breaking temperatures are part of the trend of drastic increases in global temperatures,” Carlo Buontempo, the director of the Copernicus Climate Change Service, said in a news release, adding that human-caused emissions are the “main driver” of rising temperatures.

Copernicus, part of the European Union’s space program, performs satellite observations of Earth. The new monthly record is based on climate reanalysis data, which combines on-the-ground observations, satellite data and climate modeling to produce estimates of temperatures across the Earth that date back decades. The approach fills gaps in the observational record, and it is used by scientists worldwide to evaluate the impacts of climate change.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/july-hottest-month-record-scientist-rcna96475



PRESS RELEASE

July 2023 is set to be the hottest month on record

Published 27 July 2023


Bonn and Geneva, 27/07/2023 (Copernicus and WMO) - According to ERA5 data from the EU-funded Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S), the first three weeks of July have been the warmest three-week period on record and the month is on track to be the hottest July and the hottest month on record. These temperatures have been related to heatwaves in large parts of North America, Asia and Europe, which along with wildfires in countries including Canada and Greece, have had major impacts on people’s health, the environment and economies.

  • We don’t have to wait for the end of the month to know this. Short of a mini-Ice Age over the next days, July 2023 will shatter records across the board, » said United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres.

  • According to the data released today, July has already seen the hottest three-week period ever recorded; the three hottest days on record; and the highest-ever ocean temperatures for this time of year, » Mr Guterres told journalists at UN headquarters in New York.

  • For vast parts of North America, Asia, Africa and Europe – it is a cruel summer. For the entire planet, it is a disaster. And for scientists, it is unequivocal – humans are to blame.
    All this is entirely consistent with predictions and repeated warnings. The only surprise is the speed of the change, » said Mr Guterres.

    More: https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/july-2023-set-be-hottest-month-record
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    July was so hot that scientists think it has already been the hottest month ever (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 OP
    This is giving me so much anxiety, despite... róisín_dubh Jul 2023 #1
    Mother Nature BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #3
    Yes, those of us in north eastern seaboard states are well Deminpenn Jul 2023 #5
    Well the "Bermuda High" can move around BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #7
    Even out here in western PA, we have a heat advisory Deminpenn Jul 2023 #8
    Well in your case BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #9
    True, but it's actually been quite nice BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #13
    Agree Deminpenn Jul 2023 #35
    I just read about the glaciel periods in north america BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #17
    If you look at a geological map of North America BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #20
    The earth's climate is always changing Deminpenn Jul 2023 #36
    I'm not that surprised at the speed of the change Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #2
    Oh come on now; that is just liberal science. Chainfire Jul 2023 #4
    NYT has maps (sorry, can't load them, though) ancianita Jul 2023 #6
    I could pull up an image but without the scale BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #11
    Thanks. Looks pretty bad. Makes me dread next year. ancianita Jul 2023 #14
    Well it depends on whether El Nino sticks around or not BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #15
    I get that, too. ancianita Jul 2023 #19
    What is going to have a major effect BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #22
    The Tonga eruption lofted mainly water not dust - it may actually have a warming effect Blues Heron Jul 2023 #23
    Oh there was quite a bit of dust BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #24
    July 2023 could be hottest month in 120,000 years BlueWavePsych Jul 2023 #10
    I was going to post to the OP BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #16
    It is only starting. It will get hotter. republianmushroom Jul 2023 #12
    How do we filter out the bloviation? BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #18
    I know there have been a number of researchers BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #21
    The radiative forcing from manmade CO2 pollution is like 900W space heaters every 72 feet Blues Heron Jul 2023 #25
    It's all perfectly normal, don't mind that 100 degree seawater or those billowing clouds of smoke Blues Heron Jul 2023 #26
    Didn't say it was normal BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #27
    The US is responsible for 25 percent of total ghg emissions to date, and is currently number 2 Blues Heron Jul 2023 #28
    Simply not true BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #29
    Here's where I found those numbers Blues Heron Jul 2023 #30
    so are you denying climate change Skittles Jul 2023 #31
    What? Not what I said BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #33
    Studies show inter-glacial warming peaked 6000 yr ago NickB79 Jul 2023 #32
    I'm not blaming the sun for climate change BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #34

    róisín_dubh

    (12,317 posts)
    1. This is giving me so much anxiety, despite...
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:25 AM
    Jul 2023

    having had probably the crappiest July here in England. It's been cool, cloudy, windy and rainy nearly the entire month with no end in sight. Which is odd in itself, I think. I wish we could swap some of our rain to the Mediterranean in exchange for just a bit of their heat.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    3. Mother Nature
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:51 AM
    Jul 2023

    always attempts to "come into equilibrium" so for every "stuck" High pressure system, there is a flanking "stuck" Low pressure system.

    You usually need some kind of a "trigger" to move out of these types of pattern configurations.

    I had anecdotally observed that patterns tended to hang around for about 6 weeks but in recent years, they seem to be sticking around for longer before getting kicked into a different pattern.

    Deminpenn

    (17,475 posts)
    5. Yes, those of us in north eastern seaboard states are well
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:18 PM
    Jul 2023

    aware of the "Bermuda High" that sets up around the island of Bermuda and tends to pump hot, sticky air into this area for weeks. It seems to me that these areas of high pressure have been sitting in places other than over Bermuda the last few years, though.

    Or conversely, the "cut off low" that twirls around bringing cloudy skies and precipitation.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    7. Well the "Bermuda High" can move around
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:30 PM
    Jul 2023

    so usually it is further east in the winter (although when it nudges west, it can set up some mild periods during that time). But it has a tendency to move this way for summer and can establish dominance.

    We have been under the "ridge in the west / trough in the east" pattern that has kept that heat dome out of this area until now, when the trough has lifted some up into Canada. I think it is supposed to re-establish next week with cooler/more seasonable air.

    Deminpenn

    (17,475 posts)
    8. Even out here in western PA, we have a heat advisory
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:35 PM
    Jul 2023

    for today and Friday due to the Bermuda High.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    9. Well in your case
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:47 PM
    Jul 2023

    it's not just the Bermuda High but being closer to a series of highs that are congealing with the "heat dome" highs in the middle of the country and southwest.

    We have a Heat Advisory today and an Excessive Heat Warning for tomorrow as the Canadian High lifts and allows the the southern highs to become dominant while the Bermuda high begins to back into the area.

    Right now, my weather station is reading 91 with a disgusting dewpoint of 79.

     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    13. True, but it's actually been quite nice
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 01:56 PM
    Jul 2023

    We normally have 4-5 days over 90 degree here, and I think today will be the 2nd.

    Deminpenn

    (17,475 posts)
    35. Agree
    Fri Jul 28, 2023, 10:33 AM
    Jul 2023

    Not much rain in June, but it was really nice with low humidity.

    It's rained in July, but not real hot until the last two days. My lawn is usually browned out by the end of July, but greened right back up after the July rains came and looks great.

     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    17. I just read about the glaciel periods in north america
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:12 PM
    Jul 2023

    and as the glaciers melted, they pooled into mammoth lakes of fresh water. When the ice damn broke and unleashed the water to the north Atlantic, it stopped the North Atlantic cycle, and spurned a period where the glaciers actually started expanding again (no heat from the Gulf to warm things up).
    With the warm temps now and the fresh water from Greenland, it's forecasted that the northern hemisphere may get really cold - and the kicker is that geological records show it happened back then in as little as 10 years until the fresh water froze, the warmth came back up north, and the glaciers retreated once again.

    As you say, from hot to cold to find that equilibrium, but what surprised me was how fast it could happen.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    20. If you look at a geological map of North America
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:36 PM
    Jul 2023

    and then overlay the prevailing jet stream/winds over that over time, you will see how those flows get reinforced.

    You will often see the "ridge in the west" where there will be a strong high pressure off the coast of the PNW and the jetstream will ride over top of that and plummet down and under the Great Lakes in some configurations, or will ride along the Continental Divide in a more "amplified" configuration with an Omega Block (with low pressure systems anchoring either side).



    vs


     

    Hugh_Lebowski

    (33,643 posts)
    2. I'm not that surprised at the speed of the change
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:34 AM
    Jul 2023

    What we're seeing may be at the 'early' end of the models from say, 10-20 years ago. But those models were built with suppositions that we might actually, you know, do something about the problem soon. This current situation is what was predicted as 'possible if we do little or nothing'. And that's about what happened.

     

    Chainfire

    (17,757 posts)
    4. Oh come on now; that is just liberal science.
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:03 PM
    Jul 2023

    They are just trying to take our freedom. The same kind of bogus attack as Covid. (which was just a cold) I will give up my F-450 Diesel when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel. No amount of lying evidence will every sway my opinion!

    As silly as it is, I see post like this every day. They laugh at the ignorance of people who warn against climate change.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    15. Well it depends on whether El Nino sticks around or not
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:04 PM
    Jul 2023

    We had an almost unprecedented 3-peat of La Nina (with cooler Pacific Ocean water) and that triggered all kinds of devastating floods and hurricanes. One of the hopes with El Nino is that it will be harder for hurricanes to form in the Atlantic due to a strong Pacific jet that often sheers storms apart before they get going. But if one manages to survive the sheer, look out!

    ancianita

    (43,303 posts)
    19. I get that, too.
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:25 PM
    Jul 2023

    I'm dreading that the dynamics of Earth's reaction to gigatons of emissions will become so unpredictable, though, that even 3-peats of El Ninos and Ninas can become a yearlong reality. When the centuries of Earth atmospheric and oceanic mechanisms stop, or even slow, we're in for lifelong suffering, imo.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    22. What is going to have a major effect
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 03:01 PM
    Jul 2023

    that is still ongoing and not completely understood (at least yet), was that massive volcano explosion near Tonga back in early January 2022.



    That, like the erruption of Mt. Pinatubo and even Mt. St. Helen's, will alter the atmosphere with the clouds of dust, which had spread around the globe and as it disperses, can create a "sun filter" (reflecting back to space) that cools the atmosphere below.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    24. Oh there was quite a bit of dust
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 06:00 PM
    Jul 2023


    The later analysis reports (and investigations are still ongoing) indicated not only record-breaking water was spewed, but record-breaking amounts of dust, reaching a record-breaking altitude, accompanied by a record-breaking amount of lightning. So I think at this point, they really don't know what the medium-term (several years) effect will be. I can imagine the volcanologists are in their glory and in awe.

    This was published just last month -

    The shocking things scientists found about this extremely powerful volcanic eruption

    The Hunga Tonga-Hunga Haʻapai submarine volcano produced a record 2,600 lightning flashes per minute


    By Kasha Patel
    June 25, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EDT



    Like crime scene investigators, scientists are retracing what exactly happened on Jan. 15, 2022, near the Tonga archipelago in the South Pacific. At the time, the bare facts were obvious: An underwater volcano erupted, and it was enormous. Since then, scientists keep making remarkable discoveries about what turned out to be one of the world’s most powerful volcanic eruptions.

    “It was clear right away that this was going to be a showstopping scientific event,” said Alexa Van Eaton, a volcanologist at the U.S. Geological Survey. “It’s several orders of magnitude larger than anything we’re used to looking at. … This eruption clearly was going to teach us something new.”

    The climactic awakening of the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Haʻapai submarine volcano lasted less than a day and took the lives of a handful of people, including as far away as Peru.

    The volcano has already broken several records: The powerful blast was bigger than any U.S. nuclear explosion. Tsunami waves overwhelmed shores. Ash flew up into the third layer of Earth’s atmosphere, higher than any other recorded volcanic eruption. An unprecedented amount of water, enough to fill nearly 60,000 Olympic-size swimming pools of water, shot up in the atmosphere and could warm our atmosphere in the future.

    Now, a new study led by Van Eaton reveals more details of this puzzling event by analyzing lightning data. Researchers found the plume created its own massive weather system — and the most intense lightning storm ever recorded.

    (snip)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/06/25/tonga-volcano-eruption-lightning-record-study/


    BlueWavePsych

    (3,333 posts)
    10. July 2023 could be hottest month in 120,000 years
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 12:55 PM
    Jul 2023
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/27/july-2023-could-be-hottest-month-in-120000-years/

    July is set to be the hottest month on record and possibly in 120,000 years after heatwaves on three continents, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) has said.

    The first three weeks of July have been the warmest three-week period on record and the month is set to break records “by a significant margin”, according to data from the EU’s Copernicus service.

    Parts of the US and China have experienced temperatures above 50C, while Europe has battled wildfires during an intense heatwave and highs of 45C.

    The temperatures have been driven in part by record-breaking global average sea surface temperatures since May.

     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    16. I was going to post to the OP
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:04 PM
    Jul 2023

    but even those reports only go back to 1979 - and extrapolated the other hundreds of thousands of years. In the OP, the ERA5 numbers only go back to 1940, and went under recent "reanalysis" to get the headline.

    There is way to much bloviating with these news articles to get clicks and money that is dilutes the real science. There is also an El Nino - the first in what, 8 years - so this is expected to a large extent. Do I think things are warming up? Absolutely because the earth is still warming up from the last ice age. Can humans accelerate that, yes. Is the US going to stop it, no way on God's green earth because the problem is the other 85% of the emission from everyone else. I mean China burns more coal than the rest of the planet put together, with India and SE Asia right behind.

     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    18. How do we filter out the bloviation?
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:23 PM
    Jul 2023

    The ERA5 was another "reanalysis" of data only back to 1940, just like the other "reanalysis" of data in the news going back to 1979. These hundred thousand year statements are essentially click bait for their extrapolations.

    Are things warming up, yes, as they should be even if we weren't here. Faster, sure, but the geologic record says we're warming from the last Ice Age anyway along with the first El Nino in 8 years as the sun is getting more active.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,308 posts)
    21. I know there have been a number of researchers
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 02:50 PM
    Jul 2023

    doing tree ring and core sampling of the ground to look for what was happening during past climate periods.

    I think it is a foregone conclusion that the Earth has been "warm before", which was obviously back pre-mammal with the dinosaurs. So it can sometimes be difficult to compare now to the remote past, let alone immediately identify what could be long-period cycles of temperature shifts.

    Blues Heron

    (8,789 posts)
    25. The radiative forcing from manmade CO2 pollution is like 900W space heaters every 72 feet
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 06:06 PM
    Jul 2023

    across the entire surface of the earth in all directions, blasting heat 24/7/365

    thats going to add up to a lot of heat.

    That is in addition to the background warming you mentioned.

    Blues Heron

    (8,789 posts)
    26. It's all perfectly normal, don't mind that 100 degree seawater or those billowing clouds of smoke
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 07:45 PM
    Jul 2023

    Too funny

     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    27. Didn't say it was normal
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 08:11 PM
    Jul 2023

    just that there are huge forces we don't have control over (especially "we" being the US)

    Blues Heron

    (8,789 posts)
    28. The US is responsible for 25 percent of total ghg emissions to date, and is currently number 2
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 08:15 PM
    Jul 2023

    We are a huge part of it with a leading role to play.

     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    29. Simply not true
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 08:25 PM
    Jul 2023

    I don't know how to post pictures, but this site has the numbers:

    https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

    The US is 18% of the emissions currently, and all the emissions from the US since 1900 has been eclipsed by what is going on now.

    I guess we're splitting hairs. What the US emitted historically is insignificant compared to today's numbers globally, and the rest of the world is the biggest problem as they ramp up. I mean, China burned more coal than the rest of the planet last year. Can we be a role model, sure, but that doesn't move the numbers we need.

    NickB79

    (20,329 posts)
    32. Studies show inter-glacial warming peaked 6000 yr ago
    Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:33 PM
    Jul 2023
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-020-0530-7

    The warmest 200-year-long interval took place around 6500 years ago when GMST was 0.7 °C (0.3, 1.8) warmer than the 19th Century (median, 5th, 95th percentiles). Following the Holocene global thermal maximum, GMST cooled at an average rate −0.08 °C per 1000 years (−0.24, −0.05).


    Without humans, we'd be cooling, not warming.

    We've literally cancel the next Ice Age for 50,000-100,000 yr.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/01/13/scientists-say-humans-have-basically-canceled-the-next-ice-age/

    As for solar activity? The recent upswing in flares and sunspots is unrelated to modern temperature spikes. How do we know this? Because recent activity is actually weaker than previous cycles. Blaming the Sun is a long-discredited linchpin of climate change denial.

    https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/sun-is-ramping-up-activity-but-still-within-predictions/
     

    BlueIn_W_Pa

    (842 posts)
    34. I'm not blaming the sun for climate change
    Fri Jul 28, 2023, 08:45 AM
    Jul 2023

    what I'm saying is while temperatures are rising due to CO2, the sun has been pretty quiet recently, and from NASA, "The amount of solar energy Earth receives has followed the Sun’s natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs".

    My point is as this cycle ramps up, it's going to get even worse because they'll be even more energy reaching earth, not that the sun is responsible for climate change. Global temperature and solar irradiance had a pretty close relation until the 1970's, when they diverged. Temp going up without coming back down, but you do see that at solar minimums, the temp rises more slowly, and maximums, it rises more quickly.

    Thank you for the research paper. I was looking at the larger Quaternary, but I guess geologic time doesn't help when talking about the last 6,000 yrs people started multiplying is more important. I guess that's why they are proposing a new epoch due to human influence on the earth. We may end up in another mini ice age in the north as the fresh water melt slows down the Atlantic "conveyor belt". What concerns me (and I'm trying to get the link) is that the researchers said it has happened in as little as 10 years :/

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