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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:03 PM Jul 2023

Prosecutors baffled by Trump's desire to discuss classified evidence outside of classified setting

Source: NBC News

On top of the new charges against the former president about his alleged mishandling of classified documents comes word from the special counsel that Trump wants to be able to discuss classified discovery outside of a classified setting. Clearly baffled, prosecutors from the special counsel’s team write in part in the latest court filing:

“There is no basis for the defendant’s request that he be given the extraordinary authority to discuss classified information at his residence, and it is particularly striking that he seeks permission to do so in the very location at which he is charged with willfully retaining the documents charged in this case.

“The government is not aware of any case in which a defendant has been permitted to discuss classified information in a private residence, and such exceptional treatment would not be consistent with the law.”



Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-grand-jury-indictment-rcna96233/rcrd15971?canonicalCard=true
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Prosecutors baffled by Trump's desire to discuss classified evidence outside of classified setting (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2023 OP
Not consistent with the LAW leftieNanner Jul 2023 #1
Who is going to stop him from discussing it if he really wants to? Autumn Jul 2023 #2
Nothing. He gets a high GP6971 Jul 2023 #4
In Trump's mind, our country's most guarded defense secrets and vulnerabilities are... LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #16
These would be discussions with... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #12
I think it has nothing to do with the trial. He wants to discuss them with his customers at Autumn Jul 2023 #13
Nope. This was a request by the defense... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #14
He wants to discuss classified information at his residence. In the dining area with Autumn Jul 2023 #17
He should be doing it from a secure location in a federal penitentiary Major Nikon Jul 2023 #3
LOL I just pictured him dweller Jul 2023 #10
Sounds like this allegation makes him a security risk with or without classified papers bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #5
I'd say this loose cannon deserves to be remanded oldsoftie Jul 2023 #6
Agreed Rebl2 Jul 2023 #11
It almost sounds like that's exactly what he wants. Mr.Bill Jul 2023 #24
Part of evidence against tRump is him discussing classified docs outside of classified setting. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #7
I think he's hoping to cause a mistrial Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2023 #8
Probably in the back of his mind. nt Wounded Bear Jul 2023 #21
Narcissistic breakdown? AnrothElf Jul 2023 #9
Simple explanation: AverageOldGuy Jul 2023 #15
Ignorant Randomthought Jul 2023 #22
He's planning to blackmail the USA Zorro Jul 2023 #18
Well...if he does... jmowreader Jul 2023 #26
Wait, wasn't his defense Johnny2X2X Jul 2023 #19
More evidence of Trump's arrogant laziness. halfulglas Jul 2023 #20
Why is this asshole not locked up? AllyCat Jul 2023 #23
How else will people know how smart and important he is???? tanyev Jul 2023 #25
This TFG demand makes no sense LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #27
And neither do his lawyers, who won't deal with their client but just pass on his demands ancianita Jul 2023 #28
Graymail: the threatened revelation of state secrets in order to manipulate legal proceedings muriel_volestrangler Jul 2023 #29
He's psychotic. truthisfreedom Jul 2023 #30
I think the writer for NBC is moniss Jul 2023 #31
Eh, the prosecutors could be "baffled" why he wants to do such a thing... malthaussen Jul 2023 #33
You tell Trump he can't do something and he does it. Baffling sovled. twodogsbarking Jul 2023 #32

leftieNanner

(16,159 posts)
1. Not consistent with the LAW
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:05 PM
Jul 2023

There's that pesky little word again.

As if he has EVER followed the law.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
16. In Trump's mind, our country's most guarded defense secrets and vulnerabilities are...
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:56 PM
Jul 2023

on par with a golden toilet.


"Look at that! I bet you've never seen a golden shitter before. That thing just drips CLASS. Even the King of England doesn't have one!"

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
12. These would be discussions with...
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:37 PM
Jul 2023

... his lawyers while examining the documents. He won't be given copies of the documents outside of a secret facility, and his lawyers would not cooperate in any such discussions.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
13. I think it has nothing to do with the trial. He wants to discuss them with his customers at
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:45 PM
Jul 2023

his resort which he considers his residence.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
14. Nope. This was a request by the defense...
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:52 PM
Jul 2023

... for lenient procedures during discovery, where the government turns over evidence to the accused so they can evaluate it. It has everything to do with the trial.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
17. He wants to discuss classified information at his residence. In the dining area with
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:03 PM
Jul 2023

the idiots who pay big to sit near him or at his table can hear and see what is going on.


Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
3. He should be doing it from a secure location in a federal penitentiary
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:09 PM
Jul 2023

The stupid shitstain is a clear and present danger to the United States every day he is allowed to remain free. If there’s anyone who deserves to be locked up pre-trial, it’s him.

dweller

(28,411 posts)
10. LOL I just pictured him
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:24 PM
Jul 2023

Sharing plans for an escape tunnel with his inmate buddies


✌🏻

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
5. Sounds like this allegation makes him a security risk with or without classified papers
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:10 PM
Jul 2023

You never know who he's going to tell.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
24. It almost sounds like that's exactly what he wants.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 11:23 PM
Jul 2023

I think he wants to trigger a violent uprising by getting thrown in jail.

This would be the biggest miscalculation of his life, and it won't work.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
7. Part of evidence against tRump is him discussing classified docs outside of classified setting. . nt
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 09:15 PM
Jul 2023

Zorro

(18,692 posts)
18. He's planning to blackmail the USA
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:05 PM
Jul 2023

Drop charges or he's going to put TS/SCI data out on Truth Social.

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
26. Well...if he does...
Fri Jul 28, 2023, 12:53 AM
Jul 2023

…the government will throw him in jail and confiscate Truth Social’s mass storage devices.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
20. More evidence of Trump's arrogant laziness.
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 10:52 PM
Jul 2023

Everything has to be made easily accessible to him and his team. It's such an inconvenience for him to go to a authorized classified setting. He's emperor in his own mind. When his team reviews the information and want to ask Trump about them, he doesn't want to make the effort to be there and review it with them. He wants them to bring it to them so he can steal it and keep it in his file cabinets or bathroom or whatever.

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
23. Why is this asshole not locked up?
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 11:22 PM
Jul 2023

He may not be a flight risk, but he certainly is a national security risk. Heck, he’s a risk to the world.

tanyev

(49,297 posts)
25. How else will people know how smart and important he is????
Thu Jul 27, 2023, 11:44 PM
Jul 2023

Answer that, you smarty-pants prosecutors.



ancianita

(43,307 posts)
28. And neither do his lawyers, who won't deal with their client but just pass on his demands
Fri Jul 28, 2023, 02:30 AM
Jul 2023

to the Jack Smith team. Something's off with them.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
29. Graymail: the threatened revelation of state secrets in order to manipulate legal proceedings
Fri Jul 28, 2023, 05:08 AM
Jul 2023
Graymail can occur in two ways:

To straightforwardly blackmail the government, forcing it to drop the case using the threat that if the trial proceeds the defendant will reveal classified information he or she already knows.

To request use of classified material, e.g. as evidence, in the trial. The defendant speculates that the government will be unwilling to make the material fully available to the case, and that this will raise the possibility, in the eyes of the judge or jury, that the unreleased material might clear the defendant, making it difficult to prove guilt.[1]

In the United States, the Classified Information Procedures Act of 1980, also known as the Graymail Law, was designed to counter the second tactic above by allowing judges to review classified material in camera, so that the prosecution can proceed without fear of publicly disclosing sensitive intelligence.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graymail

He wants the classified information out there. If it happens, he gets to say "see? You didn't care about keeping it secret anyway". If it doesn't, he says "I didn't get the proper chance to review all the evidence".

moniss

(9,056 posts)
31. I think the writer for NBC is
Fri Jul 28, 2023, 08:55 AM
Jul 2023

using the word "baffled" because they themselves must be. From what I see the prosecutors simply object to the request and say they are unaware of any case (meaning some foundation) in which this has been permitted. The prosecutors aren't "baffled" in the least. Maybe they had Andrea help write this.

malthaussen

(18,572 posts)
33. Eh, the prosecutors could be "baffled" why he wants to do such a thing...
Fri Jul 28, 2023, 11:56 AM
Jul 2023

... they aren't baffled about what their answer is.

-- Mal

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