The UFO congressional hearing was 'insulting' to US employees, a top Pentagon official says

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By NOMAAN MERCHANT and TARA COPP
Updated 12:15 AM CDT, July 29, 2023

WASHINGTON (AP) — A top Pentagon official has attacked this week’s widely watched congressional hearing on UFOs, calling the claims “insulting” to employees who are investigating sightings and accusing a key witness of not cooperating with the official U.S. government investigation.

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick’s letter, published on his personal LinkedIn page and circulated Friday across social media, criticizes much of the testimony from a retired Air Force intelligence officer that energized believers in extraterrestrial life and produced headlines around the world.

Retired Air Force Maj. David Grusch testified Wednesday that the U.S. has concealed what he called a “multi-decade” program to collect and reverse-engineer “UAPs,” or unidentified aerial phenomena, the official government term for UFOs.

Part of what the U.S. has recovered, Grusch testified, were non-human “biologics,” which he said he had not seen but had learned about from “people with direct knowledge of the program.”




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[hlthe2b]

1. The Major might be shocked to learn that we humans share this earth with a lot of sources of

"nonhuman" biologics.

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. Indeed

[stopdiggin]

9. in fact, share our own bodies .... -(nt)-

[airplaneman]

12. Isn't a pig a non-human biologic. n/t

[hlthe2b]

13. Of course.

[brooklynite]

3. You mean a House "whistleblower" didn't deliver the goods? Didn't see that coming...

[Polybius]

4. Nervous that the truth can no longer be covered up perhaps?

[stopdiggin]

8. the onus is still on

the person that makes "large claims."

There is no purpose (or truth) to be had in fighting innuendo. Produce the evidence.

[Kid Berwyn]

14. +1

The Pentagon and the IC seem to consider civilian control over UFO research “quaint.”

[paleotn]

18. What truth?

I have no faith in our government hiding anything this momentous for very long. If there was...gasp!...actual, solid evidence of extra-terrestrial visitation other than grainy film and photos that could be anything, it would have been outed ages ago.

[Cetacea]

25. Gordon Cooper told me it's very easy to keep a secret in the military.

You don't disobey orders and you hand over the film you shot to the next in command, who then hands it over to the next in command and so forth. Our military would not be the best in the world if it were any other way.

[cos dem]

5. Sounds like a bunch of hearsay BS

How about some actual evidence?

[chowder66]

6. Thank you Dr. Kirkpatrick!

Sorry he had to waste time dealing with the Grusch nonsense.

[Chi67]

26. I'm curious

This is a question worth asking too: Why would these three people lie? What is their possible motivation here? Seems they have nothing to gain but ridicule (and maybe worse), as is evident in many posts here.

So why would they make this up? Just for fun?

[chowder66]

28. You would have to ask them.

There are some ivy league educated people and people in high-level jobs that believe crazy stuff.

Maybe the whistleblower truly believes all of what he says because he's so invested that he can't see reason or another explanation.

Why would the Dr. lie?

[Chi67]

29. Well that's easy

Since the Dr. is involved in it, most likely because the Pentagon wants these men discredited.

[chowder66]

30. Or the whistleblower is woefully misinformed.

[stopdiggin]

32. but you must understand, that at base

the "why would they lie?" conjecture - is the absolute thinnest of shreds toward establishing anything like fact or evidence.

Memories are not perfect recording devices (in fact, demonstrably and notoriously fallible) - conversations get misheard or misinterpreted - stories get passed from hand to hand - time, history and new information creep in to shade and distort ...

And all that falls under the umbrella of the most innocent and unwitting of 'untruths' conveyed - and before we even get into the realm of all the myriad reasons and motivations human beings have for shading, distorting, bending and embellishing, and flat out fabricating the truth.

To imagine that we can suss out the 'motivations' behind all human testimony and thereby determine truth ... Is really treading the thinnest of ice.

[stopdiggin]

7. 'reverse engineering' in general parlance or general understanding

references either a physical object or effect. And usually one that is at hand (or in hand) and available for observation and study.

The idea of 'reverse engineering' something the "goes very fast, and changes direction abruptly" - is more or less flim-flam and de facto nonsense.

(with due respect to many very, very smart people - but you can only stretch definition - and credulity - so far)

[KS Toronado]

10. I watched the entire hearing on C-Span

When Grusch mentioned aliens being aggressive towards us during one encounter, I wondered how in the hell one
small alien ship after traveling thousands of light years to get here would think they could take over an entire
planet of billions of people?

If one was aggressive it was probably along the lines of "Hey no need to point loaded weapons at us, we come in
peace". Right before they pulled a "The day the earth stood still" stunt or something similar to disarm us.

But the main thing I came away with was "National Security" was mentioned so many times. We have to be afraid
very afraid for our National Security not necessarily the world's.

So is this the first step in a plan by the Military Industrial Complex oligarchs to push for new weapon research and
development to protect our National Security from a "Death-star" ?

Fear is a great motivating factor to get Congress to approve of billions of dollars in R & D because the public is
afraid of an unseen enemy who in reality is just stopping by to get a bite to eat and refill their water canteens.

BE AFRAID VERY AFRAID of Congress throwing money at a non existing problem.

[slightlv]

19. Ooh... I think you've got it!

>> BE AFRAID VERY AFRAID of Congress throwing money at a non existing problem.

Beyond jacking up the emotions of the low info voter, such that they once again rely on the repugs to "keep them safe" this is exactly what they're aiming for -- especially as they speak of going after and shutting down our social security checks. Gotta have one hell of a reason to take grandma and grandpa's only means of eating and keeping a roof over their heads. They've gone through everything else. The only reason that seems left to them now is the "little green men from Mars" are coming for us reason.

I'm one of the people who really WANTS to believe life exists out there in the Cosmos. My dad always said it was a huge waste of space if no one else lived in the Universe except us. But neither of us were astronomers... we were only dreamers. Now R's want to turn the dream into a nightmare for millions. Shame on them! It's just a money grab. Do I want to believe in life in the Cosmos? Hell, Yes, I do. But gods, people; the entire idea has to be tempered with common sense. And therein lies the problem. The entire concept of "common sense" and critical thinking is lost in the United States and has been for some 50 years. I say "Shame" on the R party, but they feel no shame. Have no idea what shame is. And they couldn't care less. They prove that every single day.

[republianmushroom]

11. No mention of how they have been lying to the public for so many years is there.

Trying to cover their collective asses.

[paleotn]

16. Who's they?

[republianmushroom]

21. top Pentagon officials.

[paleotn]

15. Have you actually seen said non-human biologicals?

Well no, but, so and so heard on good authority from so and so, who overhead it from so and so talking about what they heard from so and so......

Not this shit again.

[twodogsbarking]

17. Should we believe the people who say "believe us" or the ones that say "don't belive them".

It either is and appears to be, or appears to be but is not. The former seems more likely.

[stopdiggin]

24. How about we 'believe' where the

evidence takes us .. ?

(And, incidentally - there is already a surfeit of 'evidence' that proves capable of producing absolute conviction in many. For what it's worth. But ... As things stand - I would not be among that number. What others take as sure evidence - I find lacking and quite eminently debatable.)

[Ford_Prefect]

20. I keep wondering why ONLY an American govt. agency has all the alien artifacts and evidence?

Doesn't that seem just a bit illogical? Do no other governments or cultures have contact or interest?

How does one reverse engineer extra-terrestrial technology which may function from a far different understanding of physics, and depend upon materials and elements not found in our solar system?

For some time one of the critiques of the "UFO culture" has been that it is so Human-centric, Earth-centric and Western/Christian culture biased in its perspectives. Much the same critique has been laid against Western academic and medical culture for rather obvious reasons.

IMO the speculations presented to congress were as insubstantial as the "hearings" on Hunter Biden and just as well documented.

[stopdiggin]

22. I too had some musings on what the status

of 'research' and investigation amounts to in other governments. (I'm not saying that there aren't any - but one would certainly get the impression that the lion's share is landing at the feet of the U.S.) Anybody heard of the Israelis or the Russians being 'assailed' for 'cover-ups' and whitewashes? No 'crash sights' or 'debris fields' in Africa .. India .. ?

[Chi67]

27. Hmmm

Seems to be a worldwide thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

Just and example from Albania from the article:

Eyewitnesses and village residents reported a UFO sighting on May 4 around 7:00 PM. An unidentified object landed, leaving three double-banded black circles in the asphalt which Halim Çepele photographed. Witnesses described a sudden darkness, mist, bent tree branches, and a cold wind. A 10-year-old boy saw a disc-shaped object with a gray color and a thin blue line on the ground for a few seconds. The incident left the boy in shock for about three months. Other residents claimed to have seen the marks on the asphalt and observed that rose petals were burned when placed on the landing site.

[stopdiggin]

31. and their government did ... ??

And then, of course - shared that info, and the results of 'investigation' with the public and press ...

Just to be clear - I don't have any doubt that sightings and reports crop up on a worldwide basis (but then, so do sightings and reports of ghosts, demons, Mary Magdalene, and large black dogs). To be sure American pilots are not the only ones that 'see things.' But then I think you have to go back to - have you heard a lot about senate hearings in Chile, or China, or Albania? And outcries against government 'cover-up' and whitewash?

[Snooper9]

23. Hearings are ROFLMAO

I guess it's a


Mad World - Gary Jules and Curt Smith (Tears for Fears) Live

[hunter]

33. They were insulting to anyone capable of rational thought.

Observers from other star systems are not flying around in space ships or riding on the backs of flying horses.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus

I have it on good authority if an advanced space alien wants to be here on earth they are just here, no supernatural equines or machines required.