Official tells AP that Saudi Arabia will host a Ukrainian-organized peace summit in August

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: AP

Updated 12:20 AM EDT, July 30, 2023

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Saudi Arabia will host a Ukrainian-organized peace summit in early August seeking to find a way to start negotiations over Russia’s war on the country, an official said Saturday night. The kingdom and Kyiv did not immediately acknowledge the planned talks.

The summit will be held in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity as no authorization had been given to publicly discuss the summit.

Those taking part in the summit will include Ukraine, as well as Brazil, India, South Africa and several other countries, the official said. A high-level official from U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration also is expected to attend, the official said. Planning for the event is being overseen by Kyiv and Russia is not invited, the official said.

Details regarding the summit, however, remain in flux and the official did not offer dates for the talks. The Wall Street Journal, which first reported on the summit, said the talks would take place Aug. 5 and 6 with some 30 countries attending, citing “diplomats involved in the discussion.”

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[RandySF]

1. THIS is the problem with both Democrats and Republicans

Trusting the Saudis.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. I don't think it's a (moral) "trust" issue

but a thought process of "using" whatever means necessary to achieve a goal. It goes back to the old adage about there being "no permanent enemies nor permanent friends, but only permanent 'interests'".

[Irish_Dem]

5. I agree. Just like Churchill detested Stalin, but needed him to win WWII.

It is called keeping your eye on the ball, the end goal, pragmatism.
Needs must as the Brits say.

[Tetrachloride]

3. reminiscent of turducken

and wapatoolie

[GreenWave]

4. You are in their oil power. Now forget about the butchery. Forget! or

so they attempt to hypnotize the world. Imagine a human butcher promoting peace or is it piece?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

6. About fucking time! Obvious stalemate for months!! This will be solved by diplomats, not bullets.

The leaders militaries of all sides, involved and allied, …and weapons factory owners…, disagree.

Peace always gets less recs than war…like boring Biden gets less recs than the circus act. It’s ok, peace just needs a chance, war only needs an excuse. Biden only needs voters to wake up…meanwhile republicans are lost, corporate media is arm in arm lost with them.

[hueymahl]

16. Preach it!

We are way, way overdue for serious peace negotiations. Only people winning during this war are the arms suppliers and the war profiteers.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

24. Since Ukraine has apparently agreed to attend...what's the issue with the warhawks now??

Astounding hypocrisy flies on the wings of warbirds.

Nice to see more liberals being more vocal in pushing for peace, used to be a thing with us!!

[hueymahl]

28. +1000000

[paleotn]

33. Neville? Is that you?

Your last bid for peace at ANY cost didn't work out too well. Just saying.

[hueymahl]

43. I feel sorry for you

You don’t even realize you are being mislead and manipulated.

[paleotn]

53. Oh please.

[Torchlight]

40. This will be solved by Putin recognizing his failure and going home.

or by Ukrainians forcing him to recognize his failure and forcing him home.

'Failure always get lets recs than victory. Diplomats jus need a chance, Putin only needs an excuse, trolls are in arm in arm with him..'

[Alexander Of Assyria]

46. Apparently Ukraine disagrees with you, I agree with Ukraines desire for negotiated peace!

Only warbirds are disappointed at….talking.

[Torchlight]

48. Ukraine is still defending itself with force, yes?

The remainder of your assertions simply do not follow.

[Lovie777]

7. UGH............

but at this point in time the Saudis probably see this in their immediate and future favor.

I mean, Ukraine is a powerhouse both PR and military with the help of NATO and other countries that have earned it's respect. The Ukraine people have shown it's love for their country with a formidable military and leaders.

Ukraine should not give up any territory because as we already know, Russia, especially Putin does not honor contracts.

[tetedur]

8. Too bad there isn't some kind of a united world discussion forum

where problems between countries could be hashed out. oh wait.

It seems to me that Putin is organizing nations for a world war. He's had summits with African nations, India and is in alignment with Saudi Arabia. Why would Ukraine send anyone to "negotiate" with these representatives that are clearly on Russia's side?

[BumRushDaShow]

9. I saw some articles yesterday

that many African nations are telling Russia to leave Ukraine. But agree 100% that he is definitely trying to rally his own "axis of evil".

But the fly in that ointment is that although Russia (as the U.S.S.R.) had quite a bit of influence on the African continent in the past, more recently China has made HUGE inroads there in terms of being the continent's "building and construction contractors". I.e., part of their infamous "Belt and Road" initiative.

[cstanleytech]

12. China and India are the largest enablers.

[dalton99a]

15. +1

[hueymahl]

17. China, India and the US

It takes two to have a war. And we are throwing billions at keeping this war going.

We need to be pushing for peace, not more war.

[cstanleytech]

20. Well there is peace and then there is "piece" and atm I suspect Putin will only accept a piece

of the Ukraine.

[hueymahl]

21. That is probably what it is going to take to end the bloodshed.

[cstanleytech]

23. Unfortunately it's unlikely to actually work as it was tried with Germany already and appeasement

ended up only encouraging Hitler.

[hueymahl]

27. I understand the fear

But very different situations. This one is a lot more like Vietnam than WWII

[cstanleytech]

35. No, this isnt any different as Russia started the war to take territory of

another country just like Germany did when Hitler was in charge.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

30. The peacemakers have also ways been shunned, the Chamberlain Syndrome tripe hasn't helped.

When the obvious horror of this stalemate in eastern Ukraine on a 1000 km front line exactly the same as the frontlines of 5 years ago settles in with more observers, truce. Again.

….Nothing new under the sun.

[paleotn]

10. Negotiate what? Give up territory for peace?

Which in the end means no peace as Putin and others will be emboldened to try this shit again and again and again. I'm sure the Neville Chamberlain's among us would just love that stupid shit, but we all know where it leads, even if the Neville's can't admit it to themselves.

There is only one condition to end this war, Russia must leave Ukrainian territory. Period. Full stop. From there we'll negotiate reparations, etc.

[hueymahl]

18. Would you be willing to turn ukraine into a nuclear waste land

How about killing a whole generation of people on both sides of the war. What about the devastation families face post war when their sons and daughters come back forever changed.

How much exactly is that dirt worth?

Is there really only one condition to end this war?

[paleotn]

31. You don't get it, do you.

Nuclear waste land? Strawman much? Smash and grab cannot be rewarded. Have a problem with that? Take it up with Volodymyr Zelenskyy. I'm echoing his sentiment on this and it's his fucking country. Not yours.

[cstanleytech]

38. Agree as trying appeasement will only send the wrong message and it could encourage

other countries to try the same thing.
Thats why we need to help the Ukraine defend itself to try and nip this in the bud now before it grows into a bonfire.

[hueymahl]

41. We have strayed so far

I’m embarrassed for you. Peace is the only way. This is not our war. We should be brokering peace, not funding a war.

[cstanleytech]

44. So Ukraine should surrender?

[hueymahl]

50. As I've repeated multiple times

We should not be funding this war. We should be using all of our efforts to negotiate peace.

[cstanleytech]

51. So give us your personal opinion though on if you think peace should be rewarding Russia by allowing

it to keep at least some of the Ukrainian territory currently under it's control.

[hueymahl]

52. I disagree with the premise of the question

That any resolution is a reward for Putin if it results in some present day Ukrainian land being surrendered. His face-saving is irrelevant. Hundreds of thousands have already been killed or injured in this war. I’m far more concerned with ending the meat grinder that is destroying a whole generation of young people.

So would I trade land for peace? It’s not ideal, but the alternative is so much worse. But ultimately that is a question for Ukraine. Right now we are using them as a proxy to hurt Russia. And I think that is despicable and against Liberal and Democratic values as I understand and try to live them. We should be pushing for peace, not ramping up the war with more funds and weapons.

[cstanleytech]

11. As long as the settlement includes Russian withdrawal from Ukraine, reparations and turning over

those that commited war crimes I completely support such talks.

[hueymahl]

19. I support any talks that lead to peace

All liberal Democrats should.

[cstanleytech]

22. Again there is peace and then there is "piece" which is what Putin is only likely to

settle for atm which is unacceptable as it sends the message that what he did was ok.

[hueymahl]

29. Pretty sure he has gotten the message

Think it’s time to stop the killing and return to the roots of our Democratic Party. This is an ugly chapter.

[cstanleytech]

34. Appeasment is not our root its rather been one where we fight for the little guy and in this

case the little guy is Ukraine and its people.

[paleotn]

32. Speaking for all liberal Dems now?

[hueymahl]

42. Speaking for those that favor peace

Over forever wars across the globe. The MIC has got its tentacles wrapped so tightly around the narrative, you don’t even see you are being manipulated

[cstanleytech]

45. No one here is against peace though as all Russia needs to do really is to stop the

war of aggression that it started and pull its troops back within its own borders.
After all Ukraine is unlikely to try and advance beyond its own borders to take Russian territory as they lack the ability to conduct such a war not to mention Russia has the ability to use nukes if they were to try.

[hueymahl]

49. Could have fooled me

Lots of hawkish comments. Strange and troubling.

[cstanleytech]

54. There is a difference between supporting a country trying to defend itself in a war vs supporting

the country that started the war in the first place.
If you really want to complain then direct them to China and India who are the real enablers.

[Novara]

13. "Russia is not invited"

Saudi Arabia is acting as Russia's mouthpiece telling the abused wife to just act nice and give him what he wants and maybe - just maybe - he'll stop beating her. In other words, if you want peace, do what the bully wants.

Don't they think Ukraine already understands this dynamic?

Why would other countries legitimize this? Why in hell would the US legitimize this?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

25. All that is assumption in the extreme, I would go with the assumptions of the diplomats.

[The Magistrate]

14. An Interesting Development, Sir, Should It Come To Pass

The countries participating include leading lights of the 'BRIC bloc'. Russia has been counting on their support, and postures still as their leader, and muscle. Ukraine is not going to meet nations adversely affected by Russia's imperialist aggression in order to be badgered into surrender. In the wake of the disaster for Putin the recent confab in South Africa proved, the likely Ukrainian aim for this conference would be to secure pressure on Russia from the BRIC countries to end the grain blockade and to stand down from its attempt at imperial conquest. Securing the further political and economic isolation of an enemy lends greater force to military action, which is, as the man said, the continuation of politics by other means....


"Peace is not the absence of violence. It is the presence of justice."

[Alexander Of Assyria]

26. A peace conference was long in the works... recalling Chinese visit to Moscow months ago...

A visit also roundly condemned in the war waging by proxy West…as weapons chain was being ramped up, profits were being made.

[The Magistrate]

36. You Do Amuse, Sir

It's sort of like a stock figure in old vaudeville, you know what's going to be said, what pratfalls will be performed, as soon as you see the entrance. It's the familiarity that's the charm, the enjoyment of having just what you expected to see playing out before you yet again. It would be a disappointment if the guy in the polka-dot tie didn't slip on a banana-peel and cry out Bwaa-hah-hah!

[Alexander Of Assyria]

47. Glad you all enjoying the show! We got more scripts in the works!

Reply to the message before shooting the messenger, next time?

[Xanchez]

37. Russia isn't mentioned as one of the countrie

That will attend.
Putin isnt willing to negotiate.

[cstanleytech]

39. Not true!!! Putin is more than willing to negotiate he just insists he be allowed to hold a gun

pointed at the head of the Ukraine people while doing so.