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BumRushDaShow

(164,539 posts)
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:03 AM Aug 2023

U.S. "Chasing arrows" plastic recycling symbol may get tossed in the trash

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by JudyM (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: CBS News

The "chasing arrows" logo is universally recognized as a sign to recycle, but the Environmental Protection Agency is now saying it's also universally confusing. It's recommending tossing the symbol for plastics and replacing it with a new one. The proposed change comes amid a growing body of research that suggests that plastic recycling isn't working and that most plastic is still ending up in landfills.

As little as 5% of plastic is actually recycled, according to one recent study. "I've been suggesting this for years now, thinking that's confusing," Kate O'Neill, a professor at University of California Berkeley, said of the logo change. O'Neill studies the global and local politics of waste and recycling. "So, I try and unconfuse people," she said. "But again, it ought to be easier."

The EPA agrees. In April, the agency recommended the Federal Trade Commission get rid of the chasing arrows recycling symbol for plastics, calling it "deceptive or misleading."

"I think the deceptive part is the symbol because that looks like recycling," said O'Neill. "And sometimes we're told it's recyclable just because it shows that."

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chasing-arrows-plastic-recycling-symbol-may-get-tossed-in-the-trash/



EPA comments document sent to FTC for the proposed FTC Rule change (PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23789593/epa-comments-to-ftc.pdf

I think the above had been submitted as comments to FTC's proposed Rules update here - https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/02/06/2023-02354/guides-for-the-use-of-environmental-marketing-claims

Since then FTC has held a workshop in May focusing on the recycling and marketing labels (comments due back by June) - https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/07/2023-04589/public-workshop-examining-guides-for-the-use-of-environmental-marketing-claims

Video of FTC's recycling workshop - https://www.ftc.gov/media/talking-trash-ftc-recyclable-claims-green-guides-may-23-2023
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U.S. "Chasing arrows" plastic recycling symbol may get tossed in the trash (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 OP
It implies it is recycled zipplewrath Aug 2023 #1
I know I have tried to be conscientious with plastics BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #3
thank you for posting the above graphic! BadGimp Aug 2023 #5
Most welcome BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #7
5% bucolic_frolic Aug 2023 #2
LOL @ A&P BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #6
Plastic recycling is a scam developed to put the burden on the consumer Merlot Aug 2023 #4
Exactly right -- plastic can't be recycled plastic can't be recycled plastic can't be recycled Dorn Aug 2023 #8
Post #3 says you are wrong MichMan Aug 2023 #9
Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true zipplewrath Aug 2023 #10
Locking by forum hosts' consensus JudyM Aug 2023 #11

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
1. It implies it is recycled
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:27 AM
Aug 2023

The symbol suggests that the particular plastic is recycled. In reality it just identifies what class of plastics the object is made. As the article suggest, the vast majority of plastics are not recycled in any meaningful way. Much of it is "repurposed" which is to say it's made into clothing or artificial turf or something.

BumRushDaShow

(164,539 posts)
3. I know I have tried to be conscientious with plastics
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:44 AM
Aug 2023

knowing there are different "codes" associated with them regarding how recyclable they are as a number of recycling services only take and/or can process certain types.

Did a quick scan and saw the Old Farmer's Almanac had a good little chart - https://www.almanac.com/which-plastics-are-recyclable-number



I know the "average person" is not going to bother with trying to figure that out and most who "try" to comply with recycling in their municipalities, will just throw any "plastic jug or soda bottle" into the recycling, and doing that is really no good.

So it is definitely due for a realistic and accurate "update".

BadGimp

(4,103 posts)
5. thank you for posting the above graphic!
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:59 AM
Aug 2023

eom

BumRushDaShow

(164,539 posts)
7. Most welcome
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 10:06 AM
Aug 2023

I know I try to look for the #2s to at least to get into the recycling bin although I do still get a number of things that are jarred in glass (but even that has it's own problem with respect to recycling ).

bucolic_frolic

(53,603 posts)
2. 5%
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:39 AM
Aug 2023

Ouch. I avoid plastics as much as possible. But I still wind up with a pile.

I did see one new cup made of bamboo with a bamboo or wood pulp liner that holds water. Of course it would take the industry 76 years to ramp up.

Recall going to the A&P as a kid. One meat counter, about 8 feet long. Beef, pork, fish. Wrapped in heavy wax paper, masking tape closure. Now everything on a styrofoam platter shrink-wrapped. Of course what else could they do after Tylenol poisoner?

BumRushDaShow

(164,539 posts)
6. LOL @ A&P
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 10:01 AM
Aug 2023

That was one that I grew up with although they disappeared around here years ago.

I remember as a kid getting paper straws, I think at the movies? I am finally seeing those make a comeback.

I do remember these though -







Merlot

(9,696 posts)
4. Plastic recycling is a scam developed to put the burden on the consumer
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 09:57 AM
Aug 2023

instead of the petroleum industry which is ramping up its plastic production.

Dorn

(562 posts)
8. Exactly right -- plastic can't be recycled plastic can't be recycled plastic can't be recycled
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 10:33 AM
Aug 2023

Very simple: plastic can't be recycled

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MichMan

(16,467 posts)
9. Post #3 says you are wrong
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 10:49 AM
Aug 2023

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
10. Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 11:15 AM
Aug 2023

I worked in plastics for 3 years and in fact recycled plastic is virtually necessary to production. However, the 20% or so of recycled material used was almost always pre-consumer material, i.e. from the very factory that is making the plastic containers. Using post consumer material is very difficult. It has to be fairly clean to be used. And that material isn't worth all that much. The costs of cleaning, collecting, and shipping it is prohibitive. Plus, it has to be the right color, otherwise it quickly all turns gray.

It's why an awful lot of plastic isn't actually "recycled" so much as repurposed.

JudyM

(29,558 posts)
11. Locking by forum hosts' consensus
Tue Aug 1, 2023, 11:19 AM
Aug 2023

No final decision has been made. Was also alerted on as being a feature article rather than important breaking news. Good to repost in General Discussion if you’d like.

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