Judge overseeing Trump documents case criticizes special counsel

[riversedge]

Source: axios



Updated 34 mins ago - Ivana Saric



The judge overseeing former President Trump's classified documents case on Monday rebuked federal prosecutors and struck two of their filings.

Driving the news: Florida District Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, also demanded an explanation of "the legal propriety of using an out-of-district grand jury proceeding to continue to investigate and/or to seek post-indictment hearings on matters pertinent to the instant indicted matter in this district."

State of play: In the filing, Cannon responded to the prosecution’s request for a hearing on potential conflicts of interest concerning Trump defendant Walt Nauta's lawyer, Stanley Woodward.

"A potential conflict exists because Mr. Woodward previously represented one witness and currently represents two other witnesses who the Government may call to testify at the trial of his client Nauta," prosecutors wrote in a court filing last week.
The situation could leave Woodward "in the position of cross-examining past or current clients," prosecutors added.
Nauta's lawyers will need to respond to the motion for the hearing and address the existence of the grand jury by Aug. 17, Cannon wrote in the filing Monday.
The prosecution is required to file its response by Aug. 22.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2023/08/07/judge-trump-documents-case-grand-jury

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um... I am trying to figure out whats up here??

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[leftieNanner]

1. Hmm. She is begging to be thrown off the case

As TFG is begging to be thrown in jail.

[peppertree]

3. But not without her new Mercedes

Aileen's the very image of third-world jurisprudence.

It's all about emoluments for that one - and being a lackey those she sees as powerful.

[MayReasonRule]

55. I Agree Peppertree

Probably though... probably the Lawd bought it for her...

[peppertree]

64. Gracias! Janis would no doubt have choice words for that one.

Mercedes is "her honor's" middle name, after all.

He signature's very telling, too:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143110842#post9

[2naSalit]

14. +1

[plimsoll]

29. For her part getting booted is the smart move.

Maga folks hate us, they're much more prepared to kill those they see as disloyal to the cause.

[bedazzled]

58. She could have done the honorable thing and recused herself

But no.......

[plimsoll]

69. I don't think honorable is part of the repertoire.

Self preservation, sure. Honor, not so much.

[bedazzled]

72. Nice if these people ever surprised you by doing the right thing6

Never happens

[Trueblue1968]

40. Kidk her off the case. My dreams -- my fantasy .... dis-barr her.

[SayItLoud]

2. National security is still at risk.

The slobfather has and knows too many top secrets to be trusted. The case before Judge Loose Cannon is far more serious than him just obstructing justice...IMO.

[rickford66]

4. Working as designed. Add a week because ?

[padah513]

30. Exactly

[halfulglas]

5. Looks like she doesn't know what impartial means.

And she really doesn't like the fact that Smith isn't just coasting to the trial with everything that he already has. This is what happens when you appoint a judge with little trial experience as a real attorney and a degree from a cereal box.

She just might make enough mistakes before the trial (considering that defendant lawyers keep pushing trial further away) that Smith will have to appeal to higher court and it may be taken out of her hands.

[agingdem]

7. she doesn't know what "secret" means...

an arrogant incompetent nobody, basking in her ignorance

[2naSalit]

15. +1

[wnylib]

42. I suspect that she is getting advice from

Trump lawyers and is not making any of her decisions alone. If true, I sure hope that she gets caught.

[Ligyron]

31. Talks about "the legal propriety of using an out-of-district grand jury proceeding..."

Speaking of out of district, shouldn't the original classified documents case have been brought in another district altogether?

Wasn't it somehow jumped all the way up to Ft. Pierce and thus into this incompetent, conflicted judge's court when the proper jurisdiction, or whatever you call it, should have been West Palm Beach, literally 4 miles away from the scene of the crime, Mar el lardo, just across the Inter coastal Waterway?

It's rhetorical...

[smb]

48. Dear Moron Judge:

Trump committed crimes related to the stolen documents in two venues: in DC where he stole the documents and in Florida where he kept the stolen documents. Thus, investigations in either or both venues are an appropriate law enforcement response.

The 11th Circuit ought to cite a first-year law text of this fact when they shoot her down, as an professionally framed but unmistakably firm face-slap.

[vapor2]

44. lmao........which cereal ? Fruit Loops? Circus Fun? Jurassic Park Crunch? Despicable Me?

[Marthe48]

6. traitor was into lots of criminal activity

cannon is an idiot to think investigations are going to stop just because he's been indicted so many times. If his crimes were dominoes:

[2naSalit]

18. Cool video!

[Lonestarblue]

21. Wouldn't Special Counsel be investigating Trump for waving around classified documents in

public at Bedminster? Since the crime took place in NJ, a grand jury there would be appropriate. Cannon is out of her league here.

[SWBTATTReg]

33. I like!! Really neat to watch. Gosh, wonder how long it took them to assemble? NT

[ShazzieB]

43. I think it said 3 days at the beginning of the video.

I'd like to know how long it took them to design the whole thing and figure out how to make it work. It was so intricate, it must have taken ages!

[SWBTATTReg]

73. Really! It was amazing!

[CrispyQ]

75. You'd love Domino Masters - great competition show!

Streaming on Hulu, I think. So much fun!

[yardwork]

74. I loved that!

[Joinfortmill]

8. TickTock, Judge Cannon.

[peppertree]

9. It's right there in her signature:

She's selfish, childish, and dumb as a doormat - but diligent in that goody-two-shoes way.

She also has a poor self-image, and - among other issues - sees herself as fat and unattractive (not that she's wrong). She hates her own smile.

But she's learned to keep her mouth shut - mainly our of fear. And that's why the Trumps of the world like her.

For as long as they can use her anyway.

[BlueIdaho]

10. Never trust anyone who spends that much time practicing their signature.

Judge Loose Cannon’s ego is larger than her legal acumen.

[GB_RN]

16. Shouldn't Take Much...

The amount of legal acumen I’ve seen from her, my son could do better, and he just graduated from high school. 😂

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

25. My cat could do better

And she's not very smart, even by cat standards. But she doesn't need brains when she's beautiful and well-behaved. And a cuddle monster.

[moniss]

56. My cat trained me

not to even have negative thoughts about her. I did just the one time. She almost immediately came into the room and backed me into a corner. Then she sat there staring at me and if I tried to move from the corner she would growl and move to block me. It was only after I had been sobbing for a half hour that she relented.

[ancianita]

11. Looks as if she's claiming that evidence collection can only happen in her state, and

stops at the point of arraignment.

My question is, why couldn't case building continue by the United States' representative wherever. The evidence obtained, no matter where a grand jury is, or when it gains evidence, is still legally pertinent to the original indictment.

The clock doesn't stop for a prosecutor's obtaining further witnesses and evidence that supports the People's case. Who's ever seen a judge not allow new evidence during a trial process? I haven't.
We're talking about evidence pertaining to espionage and top secret documents.

I think her demands and potential strikes should be appealed to the 11th Circuit on those grounds.

Anyone who thinks this is only about her is missing the point, imo.
Because her way of dealing with new evidence can't stand as a precedent.

[wnylib]

47. Overstepping her authority is what it looks like to me.

What authority does she have to try to restrain Smith's investigations to her district? He follows the evidence. It was Trump's team that insisted that the documents case for MAL had to be filed in Florida, where the alleged crime occurred.

So, if there is evidence of a crime in NJ, shouldn't that be investigated and filed in NJ? Looks like it could be a separate crime and charge from MAL. In the FL case, he is charged with obstruction of justice for refusing to turn over the docs.

But it looks like the NJ case could involve different charges altogether for revealing top secret info to unauthorized persons while in NJ. Not part of the FL case.

Cannon needs to stop listening to Lauro.

[Mz Pip]

12. Trump is being investigated in 2 jurisdictions

because he allegedly committed crimes in two jurisdictions. Seems pretty straightforward to me. If I’m assuming incorrectly then someone please let me know.

[moreland01]

13. Bedminster? Or Washington DC?

Wondering if this will be another classified documents case regarding those found at another location.
Jack Smith seems really smart and careful about venue issues. He doesn't want a case thrown out for having been
filed in the wrong location.

Perhaps because trump stole documents from the White House, he's filing in DC? Or because trump took the documents
to Bedminster, he's filing in New Jersey?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

22. I think he's pursuing a different set of crimes

Based on what happened in DC when the Dotard took the documents in the first place.

Mierda Loco is about not returning the docs and mishandling them there.

Two separate jurisdictions.

Two separate sets of crimes.

Judge needs to grow up and shut up.

[Irish_Dem]

32. Yes the crime originated at the WH which is located in DC.

And the classified documents were originally somewhere else in DC other than the WH.

[Mr. Sparkle]

17. She should be removed as soon as possible

She is way out of her depth , i would not be surprised if there was a mistrial

[2naSalit]

20. +1

I also want to see discipline for her on this.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

19. Gee, maybe he's pursuing the parts of the docs case

That happened in DC as a separate set of crimes.

Which means not your jurisdiction and thus not your call, you traitor stench.

Deal with it.

[emulatorloo]

23. Bedminster as well.

Unfortunately, I don’t think she is very smart. Appears unable to think things through.

[wnylib]

53. She does not have to think things through.

She only has to follow orders.

I don't think this is a case of stupidity. I think that it is willful bias toward the defendant and twisting "logic" to fit the desired outcome. Or just accepting the twisted legal theories handed to her by outside sources and passing them off as her own.

[onenote]

24. I think she was wrong to deny the motion to seal, but she didn't leak anything.

Smith himself refers to the DC and FL grand juries in his motion for a Garcia hearing and request to seal a supplement that apparently contains the names of certain individuals who appeared before those two grand juries.

And denying the motion to seal didn't result in that information becoming public because the court ordered the supplement struck from the record.

Again -- wrong, imo, to deny the motion to seal and not consider the supplement. But nothing leaked.

[riversedge]

26. Judge Cannon Issues Baffling Order in Trump Document Case Trump-appointed Judge Aileen Cannon is ba

Judge Cannon Issues Baffling Order in Trump Document Case
Trump-appointed Judge Aileen Cannon is back at her old ways with latest rulings

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/judge-cannon-issues-baffling-order-in-trump-document-case




Ben Meiselas
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In what should have been a routine order moving the case along, on Monday morning Judge Aileen Cannon issued a perplexing order that was critical of Special Counsel Jack Smith and could lead to more delay in the Trump document theft case.

The new order by Cannon comes in response to the Special Counsel’s team requesting what is called a “Garcia Hearing” to address potential unwaivable conflicts of interest with Donald Trump’s political action committee paying for the same lawyer, Stanley Woodward, to represent co-defendant Waltine Nauta and at least three other fact witnesses who could give testimony against Trump and Nauta. Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team requested to file certain evidence about these conflicts of interests under seal (meaning confidential to the public, but not to the parties) because of grand jury secrecy.




On Monday morning, however, Judge Cannon issued an order striking the filing by the government stating that “grand jury secrecy” alone was not sufficient basis for the filing to be under seal.

More significantly, Judge Cannon, on her own initiative — what courts would refer to using the Latin term “sua sponte” — revealed that an “out-of-district grand jury” is still receiving evidence against Donald Trump post-indictment.

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[onenote]

51. Actually, Smith openly disclosed two grand juries were investigating: DC and FL

Quoting from page 2 of the motion for a Garcia hearing filed by Smith:

"The grand jury in this district and a grand jury in the District of Columbia continued to investigate further obstructive activity...."

And in the text and a footnote on the same page, he explains why he is seeking to have a supplemental filing backing up the Garcia motion sealed.

There was no reason for Cannon to deny the request to seal the supplemental filing and to strike it from the record. But she also didn't disclose anything not already disclosed by Smith in her order, as mistaken as it otherwise is, imo.

[Cha]

66. TY for MT & MSW, rivers!

[FredGarvin]

27. Cannon is just following orders

[Novara]

28. She's just begging to get booted off the case.

I am wondering if the DOJ is allowing her enough rope to hang herself with. Then they'll have plenty of examples with which to ask for her recusal.

That will delay the trial but I'm thinking the DC case is more important to get done NOW anyway.

[rubbersole]

35. She is trying to get thrown off the case before she follows the law and puts her safety in jeopardy.

Don't piss off your masters, and get the hell out of Dodge before tfg turns on your ass and ends your lucrative career.

[Piratedog]

34. My guess is Bedminster.

Nauta would have loaded the docs on the plane and been present in Bedminster when trump showed the docs to others.

[ThoughtCriminal]

36. I hope this means Trump is going to be indicted in New Jersey.

IMHO, the documents cases have the highest likelihood of conviction, but having all the charges in Cannon's court make it a bit more dicey.

[Novara]

63. Well, one of the crimes was in New Jersey

It's illegal to show classified material to people without clearance.

I'll bet it's also some sort of illegal to take classified material from FL to NJ if you're not even supposed to have them in the first place.

I'd love to see another indictment for unauthorized disclosure of classified material (or whatever the legal statute may be).

[gab13by13]

37. She is doing what she is told to do,

delay the case.

[NoMoreRepugs]

38. Cannon is in over her head and about to lose her 15 mins of fame.

[onetexan]

41. THIS!!☝️not her call to decide if Jack can or can't climb the beanstalk

[oldsoftie]

39. He committed at least ONE crime in Bedminster.

So a NJ grand jury would be used for that I guess

[NBachers]

45. I wholeheartedly believe that she is collaborating with trump's defense team

or the Feudalist Society.

[ShazzieB]

46. ...and Loose Cannon finally shows her true colors!

She wasn't behaving too badly up till now. Not great, but not disastrously terrible, either. I guess it was just a matter of time before she messed up!

Never should have been appointed to a federal judgeship, as she obviously does not know the meaning of the word "impartial."

[scipan]

49. Andrew Weissman comments:

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[onenote]

52. Agree. Weissman is correct that there was no reason to deny the motion to seal or strike the

supplemental filing simply because, as Smith acknowledged in his motion for a Garcia hearing, there are two grand juries, one in DC and one in FL, involved in investigating criminality related to the documents.

[scipan]

54. Are there 2 issues here?

Smith said the reason to file the supplement under seal is "gj secrecy" but Cannon says that's not a good reason.

It sounds like she is weirdly uninformed about the law but that would be next level ignorance so I must be missing something.

Edit: Unless she's questioning the valid existence of a second gj, therefore their findings/secrets don't merit any consideration. She did reject the filing.

[MontanaMama]

59. I don't think you are missing anything.

Cannon was appointed because she's ignorant and inexperienced...thus easily manipulated by those working for TFG. Just my opinion.

[Cha]

67. TY for Andrew Weissman!

[Ray Bruns]

50. Judge Cannon would save everyone a lot of time and money if she just went ahead and moved her chair

To the defense table.

[Mme. Defarge]

57. She has crazy eyes.

[Cha]

68. TY! & a crazy face that fits what

she's doing.

What I noticed about all these pics that are being shown.

[republianmushroom]

60. Time to dump the loose cannon.

[liberalmediaaddict]

61. Knew this case was doomed when Cannon was assigned

She's arrogant, inexperienced and incompetent. Her rulings are way too emotional.

She had a half dozen reasons to recuse herself from handing the case but I'm sure her financial backers at the Federalist society told her to stay put or else.

Fact is Trump also mishandled classified documents in New Jersey and DC. Getting a fair and impartial judge and jury in rural Florida was always going to be tricky. It's basically MAGA country.

[dalton99a]

62. "Aileen is a tremendous judge. My kind of judge!!!"

[Cha]

65. A judge's job is to call balls and strikes. Not to release methods from prosecutors or defense.

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[Savaspas]

70. Trump nominated her for a reason

She has nothing but a Trump loving, unethical hack.

[GP6971]

71. Welcome to DU!! n/t