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riversedge

(80,808 posts)
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 06:03 AM Aug 2023

Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO ch

Source: business insider



Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO charges


Sonam Sheth Aug 14, 2023, 10:16 PM CDT



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"Giuliani is objectively one of the most effective prosecutors in American history who took down the Mafia, cleaned up New York City and comforted the nation following 9/11," his spokesperson, Ted Goodman, told reporters as recently as last month.

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The former mayor was one of 19 defendants — including former President Donald Trump — who were indicted by Fulton County DA Fani Willis' office in connection to Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia. All the defendants were charged with violating Georgia's RICO statute.

Trump, Giuliani, their co-defendants, 30 unindicted co-conspirators, and "others known and unknown" to the grand jury "constituted a criminal organization whose members and associates engaged in various related criminal activities including, but not limited to, false statements and writings, impersonating a public officer, forgery, filing false documents, influencing witnesses, computer theft, computer trespass, computer invasion of privacy, conspiracy to defraud the state, acts involving theft, and perjury," the indictment said.

Giuliani, specifically, was charged with solicitation of violation of oath by public officer, false statements and writings, conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree, conspiracy to commit false statements and writings, and conspiracy to commit filing false documents.

Giuliani's indictment was not entirely unexpected; prosecutors working for Willis informed him that he was a target of their wide-ranging inquiry earlier this month, and Willis also has a long history of using RICO in a slew of previous cases.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-indicted-georgia-trump-rico-2023-8



I posted this here in lbn because it specifically talks about Rudy.
I did not know he had been informed that he was a target.


He is a fallen little man. Folks speculate what was the cause. Obviously money--but did Trump pay him??
I think alcohol was a primary reason also. If he has prison on his future agenda--he will have a rough time drying out.






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Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO ch (Original Post) riversedge Aug 2023 OP
America's Mayor Roy Rolling Aug 2023 #1
Sometimes the symmetry is breath-taking... hlthe2b Aug 2023 #2
Karma is very real folks.. LiberalArkie Aug 2023 #22
The family of John Gotti must be drinking champagne for breakfast no_hypocrisy Aug 2023 #3
Not too much alcohol, I heard it kills brain cells! Dustlawyer Aug 2023 #19
Rudy lives by the sword and dies by the sword. BigmanPigman Aug 2023 #4
Yep. "Trial by combat" he said... Justice matters. Aug 2023 #27
His lawyer forgot to mention...and also know for Four Seasons Landscaping, most infamous Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #5
He must've forgot. 2naSalit Aug 2023 #6
I wonder if Fani studied his old cases while learning RICO law. What karma. Vinca Aug 2023 #7
Giuliani, even used 9/11 for his partisan bullshit. Shortly afterward on the view he said something 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #8
A spectacular fall from grace. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #9
Yep Traildogbob Aug 2023 #13
I think all the accolades for 9/11 made him think he was invincible, and his RICO mob Scrivener7 Aug 2023 #10
I don't know if it is true or not but I have heard the story that Rudy chased the Italian Mafia from Botany Aug 2023 #11
If I recall correctly there was a time lapse between the two events, but given all the Scrivener7 Aug 2023 #12
As people age, they tend to become more of who they really are dlk Aug 2023 #14
Was he always close to Trump? tanyev Aug 2023 #15
Karma's a b!tch, isn't she Rudy? onetexan Aug 2023 #16
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) twodogsbarking Aug 2023 #17
I have had nothing but contempt for him since his divorce from his second niyad Aug 2023 #18
He knows RICO so well, he knows the next step: The guy who flips first gets the best deal ... marble falls Aug 2023 #20
Giuliani is a disgusting person-- remember he's being sued for gross sexual harassment by his former LymphocyteLover Aug 2023 #21
Not too unlike a tragic figure from Ancient Greece dripping hair paint. Kid Berwyn Aug 2023 #23
Make Attorneys Get Attorneys IronLionZion Aug 2023 #24
Gee, maybe the cause was what people were saying ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #25
A theory - Rudy took down the Mafia in NY to open it for the Russian Mob nt csziggy Aug 2023 #26
Rudy's mistake was assuming that SDNY would always protect him FakeNoose Aug 2023 #28
He made the fatal mistake of believing his own press releases. marybourg Aug 2023 #29
Tsk Tsk, Rudy. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #30

Roy Rolling

(7,632 posts)
1. America's Mayor
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 06:09 AM
Aug 2023

The mediasphere and ad agencies are so cruel and stupid with their assigning names to people. They’ve ruined the good name of the United States slapping the label America on every shooting star.

hlthe2b

(113,954 posts)
2. Sometimes the symmetry is breath-taking...
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 06:15 AM
Aug 2023

"Hoisted with his own petard" does come to mind. Oh, that Willy Shakespeare had such a way with words.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
5. His lawyer forgot to mention...and also know for Four Seasons Landscaping, most infamous
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:25 AM
Aug 2023

news conference in history…and the most hilarious!

I still don’t believe that actually happened!

And he was once a respectable guy, the mass media made him so…it is a fall from mass media grace…although did hell of a job propping him up during his crash and burn phase.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
8. Giuliani, even used 9/11 for his partisan bullshit. Shortly afterward on the view he said something
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:35 AM
Aug 2023

like, the country is so lucky to have George Bush in the WH, Al Gore would've been lost, or a disaster or similar. The View didn't let it go unchallenged jumped all over his sorry ass. So yeah, he's always been an over rated POS! The only thing more fitting than Rudy indicted will be Rudy incarcerated.

Irish_Dem

(81,259 posts)
9. A spectacular fall from grace.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:44 AM
Aug 2023

He spent most of his adult life fighting crime and then became a notorious criminal at the end of his life.

Traildogbob

(13,017 posts)
13. Yep
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:20 AM
Aug 2023

Laying on his bunk with his hand down his jumpsuit thinking about teenagers. Until death. The kids will be safe now. Except for all the other GQP pervs lose.

Scrivener7

(59,520 posts)
10. I think all the accolades for 9/11 made him think he was invincible, and his RICO mob
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:49 AM
Aug 2023

prosecutions made him think he was a king-maker. I don't think he could have taken down the mafia families he did without the cooperation of other mafia families. So he chose which of them lived or died.

I think all of that combined to make him think he could pull the strings of power and it all made him an insane megalomaniac.

Botany

(77,321 posts)
11. I don't know if it is true or not but I have heard the story that Rudy chased the Italian Mafia from
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:10 AM
Aug 2023

... NYC so as to let the Russian mob move in.

Scrivener7

(59,520 posts)
12. If I recall correctly there was a time lapse between the two events, but given all the
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:15 AM
Aug 2023

Russian connections in all this, it certainly seems possible.

dlk

(13,247 posts)
14. As people age, they tend to become more of who they really are
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:22 AM
Aug 2023

Giuliani has always been this guy. Leopards don’t change their spots.


tanyev

(49,288 posts)
15. Was he always close to Trump?
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:29 AM
Aug 2023

Maybe he was using RICO to remove some of Donny's competition.

twodogsbarking

(18,777 posts)
17. Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO)
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:39 AM
Aug 2023

Wish they would say the entire name every time. It sounds so criminal.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
18. I have had nothing but contempt for him since his divorce from his second
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:44 AM
Aug 2023

wife, before 9/11. His grifting bs after 9/11 made me absolutely loathe and despise him, and he has done notthing in all the years since to improve himself.

marble falls

(71,919 posts)
20. He knows RICO so well, he knows the next step: The guy who flips first gets the best deal ...
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:47 AM
Aug 2023

... he really doesn't want to die in jail. Next he'll be suing TFG for the money he's owed. The Four Seasons Landscaping venue wasn't free, y'know.

LymphocyteLover

(9,844 posts)
21. Giuliani is a disgusting person-- remember he's being sued for gross sexual harassment by his former
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:47 AM
Aug 2023

secretary... and she details all his bigotry

Kid Berwyn

(24,392 posts)
23. Not too unlike a tragic figure from Ancient Greece dripping hair paint.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:28 AM
Aug 2023


Truth is, by saving a little dough for the Boss, Rudy saved Democracy.
 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
25. Gee, maybe the cause was what people were saying
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 11:15 AM
Aug 2023

His problem was all the way back in the 80s: He's an arsehole.

Sometimes, the correct answer is the obvious and simple one.

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
28. Rudy's mistake was assuming that SDNY would always protect him
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 12:22 PM
Aug 2023

There have been complete turnovers of personnel at SDNY since Rudy was the kingpin. His old pals are long gone now. I don't think Rudy knows any US Attorneys any more.

I could be wrong, but I believe the ethics and morals of US Attorneys are famously incorruptible. Once Rudy went over to the dark side, he was always going to be caught eventually.



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