Kyle Rittenhouse sued by estate of man he killed at Kenosha anti-racism protest

[mysteryowl]

Source: Guardian

Estate of Joseph Rosenbaum, who Rittenhouse shot with assault rifle in August 2020, is also suing law enforcement departments.

Kyle Rittenhouse, who as a teenager shot and killed two people at an anti-racism protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, is being sued by the estate of one of the men who died, according to court documents.

Since the killings Rittenhouse has become a high-profile figure on the US right, feted at events by rightwingers, appearing on conservative media and lauded by gun rights activists.

But in a lawsuit filed in Wisconsin this week, lawyers representing the estate of Joseph Rosenbaum, who Rittenhouse shot with an assault rifle in August 2020, said Rittenhouse and a series of other defendants had “intentionally and unjustifiably caused the death of Joseph Rosenbaum”.

Rosenbaum’s estate is also suing several law enforcement departments, including the Kenosha police department and Kenosha county sheriff’s department, along with the City of Kenosha. The lawsuit was submitted on Friday, and the estate is seeking unnamed damages.

In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, Rittenhouse, who was cleared of homicide and attempted homicide, responded: “I’m being sued again for defending my life.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/kyle-rittenhouse-sued-kenosha-anti-racism-protest

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I hope they succeed and any money Rittenhouse earns is garnished to go into this fund.
He should be in jail! He murdered two people!

There is a disturbing picture that goes with this article at the link.

[zanana1]

1. He's a little shit.

[AltairIV]

20. Agreed.

Yes, yes he is.

[Novara]

2. You weren't defending anything. You went there looking to kill people.

Little fucker should be in prison.

[lastlib]

3. Since he isn't, I vote for making him wish he was......

He truly deserves every bad thing that he gets. And worse.

[Farmer-Rick]

4. Imagine that?

He murdered 2 people and the court of the filthy-rich said it was A OK. The dysfunctional court system was just fine with the murders, as long as it wasn't a rich guy that was killed.

And yet he keeps getting sued by the families of the people he murdered. This will probably go on for the rest of his life. That's what happens when you murder people, even when the courts of the rich say it's all fine and dandy.

[AllaN01Bear]

5. i dont trust the leagel system. state /local and fed govt.

[617Blue]

6. So many grifters who need $$$ from the rubes

I'm guessing this a hole has the tin cup out. Lawyers are expensive.

[yardwork]

7. Good.

[magicarpet]

8. I've got a new gun. I just can't wait to use it.

Bang-bang you're dead. Now I have proven my macho man - GI Joe bona-fides while marching around the streets of AmeriKKKa slaughtering leftists.

I will now be eternally exemplified as a responsible Law & Order gun owner with paid speaking engagements that seek to advancing their cause of mindless gun nutters.

A license to kill - because the Second Amendment apparently condones this outlandish behavior.

As we collectively stand aside as Fascism reigns.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. It is still a hard pill to swallow.

Fucker should be in prison for murder.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

35. Obviously not on the charges brought

After three-and-a-half days of deliberation, the unanimous jury found Rittenhouse not guilty of all five counts that he had been facing, bringing an end to a controversial trial that has polarized the country.

[Ferrets are Cool]

40. It might have brought an end to the trial, but it did not bring an end to the controversy.

Yes, I believe in the justice system, but I will NEVER believe this MF is innocent of willfully killing another human.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

44. Maybe...

...like OJ, he'll continue to search for the REAL killer!

Also, like OJ, he's gonna lose his civil case(s).

[MichMan]

57. Even though he was acquitted?

The judge should have overruled the jury and found him guilty anyway ?

[keithbvadu2]

10. Little Kyley had no legitimate reason to be there.

Little Kyley had no legitimate reason to be there.

The fact that he lied about being asked to guard a used car lot proves it.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

34. No one had a legitimate reason to be there

except the cops

[Coventina]

39. Please elaborate!

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

60. Little boy with a big gun shouldn't have been there

but certainly not the last guy shot in the arm - he also didn't live there, was a career criminal, and had an illegal gun - just smaller than the kid.

The other two - a child rapist and a "man" who continuously beat women - shouldn't have been there either.

Rosenbaum, specifically? I'm glad he got a fast track to hell for what he did, and hope the children he raped get every last dollar from anything his "estate" wins.

from the post below:

Rosenbaum
pedophile, raped 5 boys under 12, violent in prison, battered and beat up his fiance for her catching him viewing child porn, The report says that he had a “risk to recidivate” which was of “great concern to the community.”, initiated the situation, threatened to kill Rittenhouse, 20 yrs his younger, acting irrationally, screaming the n-word, and was mentally ill and suicidal. Continued to chase Rittenhouse down to get his gun and was shot.

Anthony Huber
found guilty of felony strangulation and suffocation, domestic abuse. He was also convicted in that case of felony false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, domestic abuse. The defense attorney said that Huber said: “I’m going to burn the house down with all you f***ers in it.” Chose to take his skateboard and chase an armed Rittenhouse down, and attempted to beat Rittenhouse while on the ground and was shot.

Gaige Grosskreutz
At least 10 years as a career criminal that also didn't live in town while carrying an illegal handgun, numerous felony convictions, NOT a paramedic, and pulled the illegal handgun on Rittenhouse after chasing him down, but was shot while Rittenhouse was on the ground, losing his arm.

[Coventina]

65. Please provide links for this information. Thanks.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

66. Which information?

What I posted is widely known and available.

Those three shot are all absolutely horrible people - one far more than the others (Child rapist is worse than a women beater, is worse than plain career criminal with a gun).

Not at all to suggest Rittenhouse doesn't deserve to be in jail (at least negligent homicide?), but I've no problem with what happened to the three shot.

[Coventina]

67. The information on the people Rittenhouse shot.

And, also, who decided he was to be their executioner?

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

69. Again, it's easily found

and I didn't excuse Rittenhouse - no one "decided" he was to be their executioner...

Simply that those he shot were sh!tty people, and especially Joseph Rosenbaum, he deserves to rot in hell, and I'm sure there are at least 5 young boys (at the time) who are more than happy he's dead and deserve the money from any court awards more than his "estate".

[Coventina]

71. In other words, you cannot provide links for these assertions. n/t

[Coventina]

74. Really? That's pretty obviously a right wing site that is trying to say Rittenhouse was attacked

and that these guys somehow deserved to be shot.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

75. Now you're being intentionally obtuse

You asked for links to each a$$hole's background, and I found one that have the actual links to all their criminal records.

How about this... you prove me wrong

AND AGAIN, I'm not justifying the asshole kid... just that I'm not crying over the horrible people killed and wounded. They were touted as "supermen".

Tell that to the kids that were raped and the women that were battered, or the kids who had a knife to their stomach.

The world is a better place with these guy gone, and with Rittenhouse in jail.

[Coventina]

78. Whatever the crimes of Rittenhouse's victims, the judicial system did not give them the DP

and they did not deserve to be murdered by Rittenhouse.

There is NO REASON to bring up his victims' pasts at all, except as an excuse to say what Rittenhouse did was OK.

This Snopes article makes it very clear that it was all a campaign to smear the victims:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/

[LiberalFighter]

11. For defending his life?

He lived in Illinois. His mother drove him across state border to Kenosha.

[mysteryowl]

12. The trial results are very fishy!

[MichMan]

27. "His mother drove him across state border to Kenosha"

That has been disproven again and again.

[brooklynite]

13. I don't see the civil claim, given the outcome of the criminal trial.

[SharonAnn]

18. The civil claim can still be won. It happens a lot.

[groundloop]

19. No different than the civil suits against O J Simpson

And I must say that I sincerely hope these suits relieve Kyle of his ill-gotten wealth handed to him by right wing extremists.

[Calista241]

33. OJ clearly committed the murders in a fit or rage, despite the verdict.

Rittenhouse has a legit self defense claim, given both the video and the actual verdict.

I personally think this is a long shot attempt. The jury in this case will have more than a “more probable than not” question to answer unlike in the OJ case. They’ll have to answer the question of “was Rittenhouse in fear of his life?”

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

36. The criminal case made it clear

that every juror believed he was in fear.

Now there's a whole other question around whether he should have been there at all, and with an assault rifle.

[brooklynite]

37. "Whether he should have been there"

There’s no legal reason why Rittenhouse couldn’t go to Kenosha. And no legal reason he couldn’t carry a gun. A civil complaint won’t change that.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

61. Agreed from a legal aspect.

[Emile]

14. Now that's a jury I like to be on.

[Grins]

15. Gun ownership is expensive!

Even if the suit is unsuccessful the legal costs will be whoppers!

[FakeNoose]

16. It seems that civil lawsuits are how we punish criminals anymore

... since the state prosecution system started looking the other way, whenever the perp is a white boy.

It shouldn't be like that, but what can the victim's families do? Sue him for damages ... it's the American way!

[Sympthsical]

30. In this case, the prosecution went hard at him

They really wanted a conviction.

But pesky things like evidence and the law got in the way.

Unlike most people, I actually watched the trial and didn't rely on highly biased Twitter updates for information about what was going on. There are still people repeating false information and displaying a lack of knowledge of the trial and evidence.

This doesn't mean Rittenhouse isn't a shit or a goober. I predicted his right-wing tour the second he was acquitted.

But I maintain, people got all mad because they were told a lot of false shit about that trial by social media (and regular media), and when the curtain was lifted, reality wasn't what they wanted it to be. Everyone cast their judgements from political allegiance from the get-go, and it's never stopped being that way.

People wanted a railroading and ended up with due process, and it hasn't sit well since.

[Ferrets are Cool]

42. Did he or did he not kill another human being with a gun that was in his possession?

Was killing another person his only recourse?

[Sympthsical]

46. Did you watch the trial?

I did and wrote about the verdict here at the time:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216067887

We either believe in due process or we do not. It's fine to dislike him as a person - Hell, I certainly do. It's not fine to lack knowledge, to lack the simple curiosity to seek out that knowledge, and then still insist a great conspiratorial wrong was done by prosecutors and others involved.

Which is all over the place in these discussions. I don't care if Rittenhouse dies poor. I do care when beliefs override reason.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

47. A civil suit

against him is perfectly legit.

"It's not fine to lack knowledge, to lack the simple curiosity to seek out that knowledge, and then still insist a great conspiratorial wrong was done by prosecutors and others involved."

That's a hell of an accusation. We who disagree don't need to be scolded or shamed out of our opinions.

[Ferrets are Cool]

55. You didn't answer my questions.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

62. With the circumstances presented

and the violent criminals that were after him, yes.

Did he or did he not kill another human being with a gun that was in his possession?

Alec Baldwin gets a whole 'lotta defenders here, just saying.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

51. This was reported concerning the three shot and what happened

Rosenbaum
pedophile, raped 5 boys under 12, violent in prison, battered and beat up his fiance for her catching him viewing child porn, The report says that he had a “risk to recidivate” which was of “great concern to the community.”, initiated the situation, threatened to kill Rittenhouse, 20 yrs his younger, acting irrationally, screaming the n-word, and was mentally ill and suicidal. Continued to chase Rittenhouse down to get his gun and was shot.

Anthony Huber
found guilty of felony strangulation and suffocation, domestic abuse. He was also convicted in that case of felony false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, domestic abuse. The defense attorney said that Huber said: “I’m going to burn the house down with all you f***ers in it.” Chose to take his skateboard and chase an armed Rittenhouse down, and attempted to beat Rittenhouse while on the ground and was shot.

Gaige Grosskreutz
At least 10 years as a career criminal that also didn't live in town while carrying an illegal handgun, numerous felony convictions, NOT a paramedic, and pulled the illegal handgun on Rittenhouse after chasing him down, but was shot while Rittenhouse was on the ground, losing his arm.

Again, NONE of them should have been there, the kid shouldn't have had a gun, and i don't know why they didn't go for easier charges to get him in jail rather than become a RW talking point.

[MichMan]

56. If they get anything from this suit, everyone that Rosenbaum victimized needs to go sue his estate.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

63. Great point!!

[Silent Type]

17. Problem is state law allowed the POS Rittenhouse to walk into a protest with a rifle hanging

around his neck. I hope Rosenbaum's estate prevails, but I'll be surprised.

[purr-rat beauty]

21. If Kyle just kept his post...

...he would not have to "defend his life"

he went for a fight, murdered, and got away with it

I'm sure he's looking over his shoulders more than we know

[PatSeg]

26. Idiot thinks he's living in a Mad Max movie

Any excuse to use weapons of war.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

22. Unless there's a negotiation, the suit would fail

The primary claim simply isn't true:

“The law enforcement defendants deputized these armed individuals, conspired with them, and ratified their actions by letting them patrol the streets, armed with deadly weapons, to mete out justice as they saw fit,” the lawsuit claims.

“As a result, defendant Rittenhouse fired his assault rifle indiscriminately multiple times at citizens on the street. He shot and killed two men, seriously injured a third, and narrowly missed a fourth.”

The city and LE are an attempt to go to the money, but I wonder if he has no assets and no income (many of the RW crazies just have their bills paid for on their behalf) if there's a way to get money out of him...

[Sympthsical]

31. The "indiscriminate" claim is interesting

Precisely because that's what didn't happen as shown at trial.

There's a reason he was acquitted. Particularly with Rosenbaum.

They might get the city to settle, but I have difficulty seeing Rittenhouse paying out in any scenario.

If Twitter was on the jury, maybe.

[manicdem]

48. Settlement with the city

I don't think this suit is to Rittenhouse, rather they have to sue him with the goal of getting a settlement with the city. Rittenhouse doesn't have money. But the city does and would likely settle the case.

[iluvtennis]

23. Rittenhouse indeeds need to be in prison for the murder of 2 people. Hope the

estate wins this lawsuit.

[mysteryowl]

24. I want to acknowledge that a 3rd was shot and injured.

He shot 3 people.

Anyone know how the recover went for the 3rd?

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

70. No, but frankly, he was a piece of crap too

just not as bad as a wife-beater and a 5-time child rapist

[Bayard]

25. I don't think he'd have gotten away with these murders,

In any other country. Locked up for life. But then again, he'd never have had the gun in the first place.

This is so screwed up.

[Captain Zero]

80. Yeah and more screwed up by Kyle's fucking mom

Is she still just driving him around?
To any fucking disturbance he wants to attend? With his gun.
without her he never would have showed up.
Of course the cops were giving him all the Fiji water and Evian he wanted....


Everybody was being extremely dysfunctional in some degree.

[Dr. Strange]

82. ?

without her he never would have showed up.

He literally drove himself there.
"he drove to Kenosha the day before the shootings and spent the night at a friend’s house"

Of course the cops were giving him all the Fiji water and Evian he wanted....

Heh, don't forget the pepper spray. They deployed pepper spray on Rittenhouse to make him go away.

[DJ Porkchop]

28. No prison, just lifelong community service

working with victims of gunfire. Or, alternately, as a victim of gunfire.

[republianmushroom]

29. I like it

[SouthernDem4ever]

32. Maybe he can get up on the witness stand and ball his eyes out again

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That worked before. Jerks on the jury sure fell for it.

[2live is 2fly]

38. Several factors seem to back-up claim that, the LE "defendants deputized these armed individuals,"

Can an underage person be deputized? You'd think it would be the responsibility of LE to know that fact and determine age. However does it really matter if your actions were based on the fact you believe them to have color of law.

***MOST IMPORTANTLY: AN AVERAGE CITIZEN CANNOT BE CHARGED WITH VIOLATING AN INDIVIDUALS CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT COULDN'T SOMEONE WHO'D BEEN DEPUTIZED BE CHARGED FEDERALLY FOR RIGHTS VIOLATIONS? UPPER-CASE (CAPS) IS FOR EMPHASIS ONLY (not atitude), HONEST!***

Below From the Story at The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/kyle-rittenhouse-sued-kenosha-anti-racism-protest

Rittenhouse was 17 years old when he traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, from his home in Illinois, armed with an assault-style rifle, in August 2020. Black Lives Matter protests had been taking place in the city after Jacob Blake, an unarmed Black man, was shot seven times in the back by a white police officer, leaving Blake partially paralyzed.
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In the Rosenbaum lawsuit, lawyers allege that police, who were seen to be handing out water to groups of armed men – despite them breaching a curfew – did not adequately respond. Newsweek first reported on the filing of the lawsuit.
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“The law enforcement defendants deputized these armed individuals, conspired with them, and ratified their actions by letting them patrol the streets, armed with deadly weapons, to mete out justice as they saw fit,” the lawsuit claims.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

68. Completely ridiculous

based on the facts, the interaction of LE with the individuals, and timeline of events.

No one is deputized simply because LE didn't stop them. By those standards, the last guy shot in the arm by Rittenhouse was also "deputized" because he too, had a gun (and an illegal one at that) and wasn't stopped by police.

[4lbs]

41. It's hard out here for a young white kid whose mommy bought him

that gun, and drove him to another state so he could play toy soldier
with that bang bang.

He hustled from Illinois to Wisconsin and let his rifle flow.

I mean he is an online high-school dropout with a gun. What could have possibly gone wrong there?

It's not like we had clues, with all his social posts about law enforcement and Dumpster rallies in Iowa,
as well as all those selfies with him cradling that gun like it was his girlfriend.

[MichMan]

52. His mother did not buy him the gun nor did she drive him there.

[IcyPeas]

43. Picture from article....

Look at this guy. How does this guy get paid? Does he have a job?

Snowflake tat

[mysteryowl]

45. Ha! good point, yet...

he is living in his own subculture and they will hire him. Maybe Harley repair? Maybe muscle for gangsters?

He would not be hired to be a waiter at Applebees.

[Hassler]

49. Hound Killer Kyle to his bitter end.

[manicdem]

50. No merit

The purpose of this lawsuit is to get a settlement with the city. The city has money, Rittenhouse does not. City is likely going to settle it than go to court, even if the lawsuit is false.

Neither Rittenhouse or Rosenbaum should've been there in the first place. But Rosenbaum did the provocation, chased Rittenhouse and attempted to grab the rifle. Grabbing someone's weapon without provocation is grounds for lethal force due to self defense.

[The Grand Illuminist]

53. A very unfortunate agreement

Rosenbaum's criminal history will be used in the trial.

[honest.abe]

54. Good. That evil murdering scumbag should be in jail.

Fck him and those who support him.

[Cha]

58. Fuck that little pos murdering Asshole.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

64. He needs to be in jail,

But I don't have not one sad tear for who he killed, especially Rosenbaum

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

59. If the "estate" wins even a single dollar, which they shouldn't

it should go to the 5 children he raped:

WRN Investigates reported that Rosenbaum was charged by a grand jury with 11 counts of child molestation and inappropriate sexual activity around children, including anal rape. The victims were five boys ranging in age from nine to 11 years old. Rosenbaum had multiple convictions in Pima County, spending just over 14 years in prison. He served the first 10 years on his first rape charge. However, for the other rape charges he only received sentences of 30 months.

Hope he's rotting in hell

[Torchlight]

72. He's an odd duck

With (a courageously passive) support and defense from even odder ducks. It'll be a straight-to-DVD movie if it's ever made.

[Captain Zero]

81. It could actually be Vonnegut fan fiction

Fits in with Breakfast of Champions and Deadeye Dick.
What hasn't been written is some weird demise for Kyle and his mom.

[Initech]

76. It's absolutely insane that shithead was able to get away with murder.

All because he watches the same talk shows the judge watches. George Carlin was right - it's a big club and we're not in it.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

77. They did overcharge when he needed to be in jail as a priority

Carlin?

Honored to see him live before he died, and you're so right

[TexasBushwhacker]

79. Congratulations Kyle. You have something in common with OJ Simpson!

He may have been acquitted because the jury had reasonable doubt of his guilt of the charges, but he can still be sued where the decision of responsibility is based on a preponderance of the evidence - a much lower standard.