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samsingh

(17,512 posts)
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 01:53 PM Sep 2023

46/46% tie between Biden & Trump is not about age. Democrats better wake up to the real cause.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Daily Kos

The polls indicate a tie between Biden and Trump at 46%. Many Democrats attribute Biden’s perceived performance issues to his age. However, that is a misguided perspective. Biden’s age is not the primary concern.

Democratic advisors and consultants are disconnected from grassroots realities. They often stay in their “ivory towers” and fail to engage with various communities, particularly Republican strongholds, thereby missing out on understanding the true concerns and narratives being spread on the ground.

The “MAGA base” of the Republican party is highly active in engaging with people via the internet, alternative media, churches, and other institutions. They effectively communicate their narratives, even if not always truthful, thus successfully reaching out and influencing perceptions.

Read more: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/8/2192238/-46-46-tie-between-Biden-Trump-is-not-about-age-Democrats-better-wake-up-to-the-real-cause



We are doing a good job overall, but this column provides excellent actionable feedback that would help destroy the traitorous Republican party.

It's an excellent piece.
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46/46% tie between Biden & Trump is not about age. Democrats better wake up to the real cause. (Original Post) samsingh Sep 2023 OP
The CNN poll is bogus LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2023 #1
I think Clinton go 55% of youth vote in 2016. We know how that turned out. Silent Type Sep 2023 #4
She won the popular vote by a wide margin edhopper Sep 2023 #11
Popular vote doesn't count, rightely or wrongly. Point is, we need more than 55%. Silent Type Sep 2023 #15
EXACTLY RocRizzo55 Sep 2023 #21
He's absolutely right. The future belongs to the young. calguy Sep 2023 #27
Oh gosh! Gavin Newsom! DEFINITELY a man for the future! calimary Sep 2023 #37
THIS!!☝️GenZ will reelect Biden!! onetexan Sep 2023 #47
"Polls are meaningless!" "Why should we engage with those people?" DavidDvorkin Sep 2023 #2
+1. Biden will obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2023 #5
Why would he win in a landslide this time as opposed to '20? oldsoftie Sep 2023 #12
Roe v. Wade actually got overturned as opposed to it just being a possiblility Blues Heron Sep 2023 #35
I'm sure President Romney agrees with you 100% emulatorloo Sep 2023 #17
If TFG is the GOP nominee, President Biden's age will not be a big issue LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2023 #3
+1 MontanaMama Sep 2023 #6
one has an enormous gut and neck of an Arkansas Razor Back hog, NCjack Sep 2023 #25
DEMOCRATS FAIL TO ENGAGE! MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2023 #7
Oh... look who wrote it. That tells me all I need to know. It can be safely ignored!! Oopsie Daisy Sep 2023 #9
Oh man mahina Sep 2023 #26
One word: inflation The Mouth Sep 2023 #8
I give you credit for putting it out there. oldsoftie Sep 2023 #13
A lot can and will happen in 14 months. emulatorloo Sep 2023 #20
No one is saying 'panic' The Mouth Sep 2023 #46
One word: bigotry Steven Maurer Sep 2023 #18
Absolutely not BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #39
+1 progressoid Sep 2023 #19
Three words: corporate. driven. pricing. ancianita Sep 2023 #30
Exactly!!! BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #36
Throw health at Trump. Among other things. LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #10
It is 14 MONTHS AWAY from the election. Polls this early are meaningless. emulatorloo Sep 2023 #14
National polls are meaningless. I'd like to see polls of 5-6 states; oldsoftie Sep 2023 #16
YES!! BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #40
Finally in Wisconsin we have a lively state Democratic party Wild blueberry Sep 2023 #22
The real problem IMO Playingmantis Sep 2023 #23
Welcome to DU, Playingmantis! calimary Sep 2023 #44
THEY AREN'T TIED - please stop repeating this lie FakeNoose Sep 2023 #24
THANK YOU! IT'S ALL HYPE! ancianita Sep 2023 #28
Yeah, well, Hillary v Trump was supposed to be a blowout for us BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #41
Right now it's President Biden vs Defendant Trump. calguy Sep 2023 #29
Faulty premise, faulty logic Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #31
This Martin Eden Sep 2023 #45
Dems dont have control of the house kaznew Sep 2023 #32
The real source is obvious: bad, tainted polling. ananda Sep 2023 #33
I agree polls this far out are stupid. slightlv Sep 2023 #34
The poll paid for by The GOP/Trumpies? flying_wahini Sep 2023 #38
Oh no, Egg on the face. Hair on fire! 58Sunliner Sep 2023 #42
There's no point fretting over polls Fullduplexxx Sep 2023 #43
'Democratic advisors and consultants are disconnected from grassroots realities.' ??? elleng Sep 2023 #48
After a review by forum hosts, locking........ Omaha Steve Sep 2023 #49

LetMyPeopleVote

(142,762 posts)
1. The CNN poll is bogus
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 01:56 PM
Sep 2023

This poll was designed by CNN to be misleading and the explanation advanced as to the methodology of this poll makes no sense if you understand math/statistics. CNN spun the poll to only talk about President Biden's negatives and ignore parts of the polling that are positive such as support from groups such as younger voters.







I will be amused if the OP tries to explain the actual methodology of this polling but time will tell

Silent Type

(2,335 posts)
4. I think Clinton go 55% of youth vote in 2016. We know how that turned out.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:01 PM
Sep 2023

edhopper

(32,964 posts)
11. She won the popular vote by a wide margin
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:17 PM
Sep 2023

thankfully those 3 States that undid the election by a small handfull of votes are now in Dem hands.

Silent Type

(2,335 posts)
15. Popular vote doesn't count, rightely or wrongly. Point is, we need more than 55%.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:23 PM
Sep 2023

RocRizzo55

(961 posts)
21. EXACTLY
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:29 PM
Sep 2023

They want a horse race. It will make them more money, by getting them more viewers.

calguy

(5,079 posts)
27. He's absolutely right. The future belongs to the young.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:45 PM
Sep 2023

Us baby boomers have had our time in the sun. The power is now in the hands of the younger generations, if only they will seize it. All they have to do is show up at the polls like they done recently, and they'll shape their future however they want.

I can see them giving Joe another term to fully stabilize the country on a good footing, and four years after, sweeping someone like Gavin Newsome into the White House to take them to the promised land.

calimary

(80,136 posts)
37. Oh gosh! Gavin Newsom! DEFINITELY a man for the future!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:47 PM
Sep 2023

onetexan

(12,916 posts)
47. THIS!!☝️GenZ will reelect Biden!!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:07 PM
Sep 2023

DavidDvorkin

(19,342 posts)
2. "Polls are meaningless!" "Why should we engage with those people?"
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 01:56 PM
Sep 2023

"Everything's fine!"

Coming soon to DU near you.

obnoxiousdrunk

(2,898 posts)
5. +1. Biden will
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:03 PM
Sep 2023

win in a landslide.

oldsoftie

(12,280 posts)
12. Why would he win in a landslide this time as opposed to '20?
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:18 PM
Sep 2023

Blues Heron

(5,837 posts)
35. Roe v. Wade actually got overturned as opposed to it just being a possiblility
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:28 PM
Sep 2023

major major wake up call.

emulatorloo

(43,834 posts)
17. I'm sure President Romney agrees with you 100%
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:24 PM
Sep 2023

The guy who was beating Obama in polling over a year before the election.

Nobody is thinking about the presidential election that is 14 months away other than junkies like us.

LetMyPeopleVote

(142,762 posts)
3. If TFG is the GOP nominee, President Biden's age will not be a big issue
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 01:56 PM
Sep 2023

The Biden campaign will be glad to compare the physical condition of President Biden to TFG










MontanaMama

(23,138 posts)
6. +1
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:08 PM
Sep 2023

This could be its own OP!!!

NCjack

(10,277 posts)
25. one has an enormous gut and neck of an Arkansas Razor Back hog,
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:39 PM
Sep 2023

and one does not.

MorbidButterflyTat

(1,543 posts)
7. DEMOCRATS FAIL TO ENGAGE!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:09 PM
Sep 2023

MAGAts have been and will be destroying democracy, going to prison, profiting from fraud and corruption, but...

DEMOCRATS FAIL TO ENGAGE!!!!

FUCK the "Daily Kos."

Oopsie Daisy

(1,847 posts)
9. Oh... look who wrote it. That tells me all I need to know. It can be safely ignored!!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:14 PM
Sep 2023

mahina

(17,405 posts)
26. Oh man
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:42 PM
Sep 2023

Agreed

The Mouth

(3,110 posts)
8. One word: inflation
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:13 PM
Sep 2023

Yes, it's not President Biden's *fault*
Yes- it's getting a bit better

But nope- the poor and the middle class have been hurt *WAY* too badly the last three years. No one hears, cares or votes about it being TFG's fault; if you have the office, you own everything good or bad is on you. period. And inflation has hurt more people, and worse, than anything ANYTHING that has happened to this country in the last 50 years.

The economy is more important than every single other issue combined to not only myself, but all the other working class folks I know.

We need cheap gasoline and diesel, cheap natural gas and electricity, food prices to come down by 10-20 percent and stay down- by any means necessary.

It's the economy.

oldsoftie

(12,280 posts)
13. I give you credit for putting it out there.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:21 PM
Sep 2023

And I wonder when you'll be slammed for it. You're right; a lot of voters are simply going to vote their pockets & if we've got $5-6 gas nationally its going to be a very tough fight. And like it or not age IS a factor for some people. And thats as far as I dare go with that.

emulatorloo

(43,834 posts)
20. A lot can and will happen in 14 months.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:28 PM
Sep 2023

It isn't time to panic over polls this far out. As I have pointed out, Romney was beating Obama this far out in the cycle.

We need to get the word out about what Dems are doing, not panic.

The Mouth

(3,110 posts)
46. No one is saying 'panic'
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:01 PM
Sep 2023

But if we want to win in 2024 numbers one, two, three, and four are keeping prices down, food affordable, gas cheap enough that even the poorest schmuck with a car can fill the tank on an hour or two's minimum wage work, and getting rid of stupid laws that make food expensive.

Those that are trying to completely get rid of the internal combustion engine, strangling natural gas appliances, passing laws that raise the cost of pork and chicken, and doing anything else, for any reason, that raise the costs for anyone in the middle or lower classes are hurting us as much as the billionaires.

Cheap gas, cheap natural gas, cheap electricity, cheap food- everything else can come later. To be honest, I really don't give a good godamn about corporate profits if we can get gas and diesel back to $1-2 a gallon and natural gas and electricity to the prices they were 5-10 years ago. I hate the rich getting richer, but Gas at over three dollars a gallon just to appease people with agendas other than that of the working class is every bit as bad as a Musk or Bezos sucking down another half trillion going into space.

Sure there are other issues, but I grew up, and am middle class; we HAVE to drive trucks because we roof and plumb and we drive hundreds, even thousands of miles a week. We can't afford fancy new electric stoves and electricity has doubled in price in the last few years. Yeah, we'd like national healthcare and a cleaner environment and racial justice, but none of that is more important than a paycheck that goes as far as it did 10, 20, 50 years ago, period.

We need to be the party of the working man and woman, first and foremost; if it's not good for the working schmuck, it's not good, period. If someone doesn't work up a sweat, risk injury and get dirty at work I'm sure their opinion is just as valid as mine, but I'm fucking tired of not having the voices and concerns of MY class listened to and prioritized.

Steven Maurer

(453 posts)
18. One word: bigotry
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:27 PM
Sep 2023

The vast majority of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents don't give a damn about inflation when a Republican is in power. Remember gas prices being $5.00 a gallon under "W" in 2006? FOX was running "Why low gas prices are a bad thing" bits on their news network then.

No, this all has to do with bigotry. White privilege, and women kept subjugated - easily pressured into sex they don't really want. That latter is what the Republican appeal to even some minorities.

And while Joe is neither black nor a woman, he's got a black woman VP, and clearly is trying to redress historical imbalances.

That's what's really going on.

 

BlueIn_W_Pa

(842 posts)
39. Absolutely not
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:49 PM
Sep 2023

for crying out loud, most of the population doesn't have a month's worth of money to pay an unexpected bill, and you say it's bigotry?!?

progressoid

(49,607 posts)
19. +1
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:28 PM
Sep 2023

ancianita

(35,491 posts)
30. Three words: corporate. driven. pricing.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:50 PM
Sep 2023
 

BlueIn_W_Pa

(842 posts)
36. Exactly!!!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:47 PM
Sep 2023

Answer a simple question....

EVERYTHING is more expensive to the average American. Who cares if inflation is down this year when over Biden's admin, everything is still 20% more expensive?

And despite all Biden's successes, we are STILL TIED with an insurrectionist?!?!

Something is fundamentally wrong

LiberalFighter

(50,019 posts)
10. Throw health at Trump. Among other things.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:15 PM
Sep 2023

emulatorloo

(43,834 posts)
14. It is 14 MONTHS AWAY from the election. Polls this early are meaningless.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:23 PM
Sep 2023

Normal voters are not thinking seriously about any of this.

If you doubt this, Just ask President Romney.

oldsoftie

(12,280 posts)
16. National polls are meaningless. I'd like to see polls of 5-6 states;
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:23 PM
Sep 2023

GA, WI, PA, AZ, MI, NV
The battleground states that win or lose elections. For the 100th time, the electoral college totals are the ONLY totals that matter

 

BlueIn_W_Pa

(842 posts)
40. YES!!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:50 PM
Sep 2023

Wild blueberry

(6,435 posts)
22. Finally in Wisconsin we have a lively state Democratic party
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:31 PM
Sep 2023

Ben Wikler is doing great work, as is the whole team.
Our rural county Dems are on the ground, talking directly with voters, putting up billboards (like "Vote for Democrats,
Because Democrats Vote for You&quot , taking out radio ads, local paper letters to editor, and more. Little by little we are turning the tide.
Thank you.

Playingmantis

(132 posts)
23. The real problem IMO
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:35 PM
Sep 2023

Yes we can reach out differently and better than we have so far but I think that far to many Americans just dont give a damn about democracy and preserving the institutions that protect it.. All they care about are the symbols..


Its a sad fact that even 10 % would vote for a man like Trump..

Luckily not all are like this.. but there is a rotten core to America..bitter , angry, fearful, uncaring about truth and totally resistant to it .

They see threats everywhere and willing to follow a lying demagogue who promises everything ...if only we will trust him with total power...

We have seen this scenario before in other countries in other times..

I am so disgusted with about 40% of the people of this country!!


calimary

(80,136 posts)
44. Welcome to DU, Playingmantis!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:00 PM
Sep 2023

First, it's awfully early in the game. We're more than a year out.

Second, a lot can happen between now and then.

Third, I suspect Democrats will get louder and more forceful as we get closer. It certainly could start early, but whenever it does, repetition must NEVER be forgotten OR ruled out. You don't just hit a nail all the way in with one hammer strike. It takes repetitive strikes, over and over til it's in. Repeat. BECAUSE it's necessary.

FakeNoose

(32,028 posts)
24. THEY AREN'T TIED - please stop repeating this lie
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:39 PM
Sep 2023

It's a fake poll that was paid for by Chump.

ancianita

(35,491 posts)
28. THANK YOU! IT'S ALL HYPE!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:49 PM
Sep 2023

They know if they point out ANY imperfection in a Democratic administration and yell it long enough, they will PERCEPTION MANAGE the electorate that their LIE is real!

IT'S NOT REAL!

 

BlueIn_W_Pa

(842 posts)
41. Yeah, well, Hillary v Trump was supposed to be a blowout for us
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:52 PM
Sep 2023

..and the rest is history

calguy

(5,079 posts)
29. Right now it's President Biden vs Defendant Trump.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:50 PM
Sep 2023

By election day, it most likely will be President Biden vs Convicted Felon Trump.

Polls this far out are bogus and meaningless.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,042 posts)
31. Faulty premise, faulty logic
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:53 PM
Sep 2023
Faulty premise: accepting as fact that national polls in September 2023 have any predictive value for swing states in November 2024.

Faulty logic: using the faulty premise above, the author presumes the reason Trump and Biden are supposedly “tied” (and will be tied in November 2024) is because the Democratic establishment doesn’t listen to voters in Republican strongholds, where Biden is unlikely to win in 2024.

Logical logic: rather than waste resources on trying to persuade a small number of “economically anxious” white boomers who hang out in swing state diners to abandon Trump and vote for Biden, instead Dems should focus on the largest untapped pool of reliable, predictable Democratic voters in the country: voters between 18-29. Young voters voters choose Dem candidates more than twice as often as they choose republican ones, something like 67% to 30%, IIRC. Their turnout numbers continue to increase, and without their votes in 2020, Biden would not have won his razor thin victories in GA, AZ, and WI.

It is my understand the DNC and the Biden campaign are launching a voter registration effort this month targeting young voters in certain critical regions.

Let’s hope that kind of logical logic prevails.

Martin Eden

(12,751 posts)
45. This
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:01 PM
Sep 2023

Always room to improve messaging, but invest resources where they're more likely to flip swing states.

kaznew

(4 posts)
32. Dems dont have control of the house
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:59 PM
Sep 2023

This article says:

"Even with control over the House, Senate, and The Presidency"

I had to look at when this article was written.

So what is he talking about?

I do believe the Dems are ardently reaching out to their base and other voting blocks.

I don't know why Biden is unpopular, but this article is inaccurate.

May be a general malaise of the people or wearyness of politics.

Biden has fought for the poor, the lower middle class, and the students.

I think the only way he can lose is a viable third-party candidate, like Gore lost in 2000.

ananda

(28,692 posts)
33. The real source is obvious: bad, tainted polling.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:10 PM
Sep 2023

Biden's got this!

slightlv

(2,575 posts)
34. I agree polls this far out are stupid.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:19 PM
Sep 2023

This poll... like so many others... are weighted to obtain the result the pollsters want. What we (Democrats and the DNC) need to realize is that the polls are always going to be against us because they're bought and paid for by our enemies, the oligarchy. Mergers and buy outs have consolidated our "news" channels to a very few oligarchs, and they pay for the polls. These things are worse than useless. They not only don't tell the truth, they tell "managed truth" which is much more demoralizing to those that care.

Also, IMNSHO, while pocketbook issues are always going to be important, you can see how worried R's are about the "abortion issue" when they're trying desperately to come up with another phrase to describe themselves besides "pro life." They want to come up with a whole new phrase for themselves, pawn it off on everyone, and lie their way into power. Democrats would be incredibly behind the times if they don't push women's rights... and name abortion as what it is. People are tired of catch phrases that can be heard in any multiple ways. They want blunt truth. "Pro-Choice" is a good descriptor. It doesn't say we're FOR abortion. It says we're for leaving it up to the woman, her doctor, and her family to make the decisions necessary for herself.

It'd also be good to zero in on the other ways R's are taking away women's civil rights... like trying to keep us from travelling out of state, etc. These are short jaunts to what they really want for us -- sequestered in the home and not engaged with society and economics at all. I've already lived through that in the 60's and 70's. I don't want to see my young grandniece have to live it in her near future. I want my daughter to have better retirement opportunities than I've had.

We who marched and fought for women's rights are in our old age now, but we're not willing to sit back and let it all fall away. It's not only hurting the younger women now; it's hurting us in our old age, as well. We may not have to worry about pregnancies any longer, but we DO have to worry about less retirement income because our earnings potential was always tamped down throughout our working life. More than that, we're pissed that all our efforts are being rolled back in the name of white patriarchy. Those of us who still have the physical wherewithal to walk, march, protest, are out there doing it again. The rest of us are spreading the word and voting like hell. It'd be stupid of Democrats not to take advantage of this sea change in attitudes towards what we've always been told was a "divisive issue." Look what we've discovered -- it's NOT divisive! The majority WANTS abortion to be kept free, fair, and legal; and they majority still agrees with fairness on the other "life" issues, as well... racism, homophobia, as well as misogyny.

Democratic candidates have a wide range of positive issues on which to build their campaigns. They also have a good foundation of economics to build on based on what Biden's accomplished despite the traitors in the "freedom caucus" trying to tear it all down at the same time.

And, if we want to campaign on comparatives -- the R's have given us a once in a generation chance to do it without having to go exceptionally dirty. The majority of Americans do not want what the R's are selling. We just have to point it out and do comparatives!

Magats, while they are many are not enough to outnumber the rest of democracy loving Americans. All we have to accomplish is getting everyone out to vote, and making sure each vote counts. The only way the R's win is if they cheat. And they WILL try to cheat, both "legally" and illegally. Herein lies our biggest problem -- keeping our elections free for all to engage with.

flying_wahini

(6,284 posts)
38. The poll paid for by The GOP/Trumpies?
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:49 PM
Sep 2023

I’m not buying it.

58Sunliner

(4,304 posts)
42. Oh no, Egg on the face. Hair on fire!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:55 PM
Sep 2023

Next.

Fullduplexxx

(7,770 posts)
43. There's no point fretting over polls
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:58 PM
Sep 2023

elleng

(128,852 posts)
48. 'Democratic advisors and consultants are disconnected from grassroots realities.' ???
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:10 PM
Sep 2023

Omaha Steve

(98,477 posts)
49. After a review by forum hosts, locking........
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:16 PM
Sep 2023

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