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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 05:13 AM Sep 2023

Va. Dem. House candidate performed sex online with husband for tips

Source: Washington Post

RICHMOND — A Democrat running for a crucial seat in Virginia’s House of Delegates performed sex acts with her husband for a live online audience and encouraged viewers to pay them with “tips” for specific requests, according to online videos viewed by The Washington Post.

Susanna Gibson, a nurse practitioner and mother of two young children running in a highly competitive suburban Richmond district, streamed sex acts on Chaturbate, a platform that says it takes its name from “the act of masturbating while chatting online.”


In a written statement, Gibson called the exposure of the videos “an illegal invasion of my privacy designed to humiliate me and my family.”

“It won’t intimidate me and it won’t silence me,” she said. “My political opponents and their Republican allies have proven they’re willing to commit a sex crime to attack me and my family because there’s no line they won’t cross to silence women when they speak up.”


Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/09/11/susanna-gibson-sex-website-virginia-candidate/



Doesn't bother me, but this is a toss-up seat in a chamber with a 2-vote margin.
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Va. Dem. House candidate performed sex online with husband for tips (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2023 OP
Public sex is soooo... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #1
Less taboo for men, maybe, but I doubt it will be only the RW that attempts to crucify HER for this. hlthe2b Sep 2023 #6
What is there to sympathize? She actively promotes the videos for "tip" question everything Sep 2023 #68
Yes. Never meant to be disseminated beyond this closed "group," but it insane to think it would not hlthe2b Sep 2023 #69
it may be less taboo... Trueblue Texan Sep 2023 #10
She fucked her husband. RandySF Sep 2023 #2
With THAT campaign slogan... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #12
another idea for her campaign... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #14
Electability! That is the issue. It's the deciding issue. jaxexpat Sep 2023 #3
That's what Sen. Don Riegle told me RandySF Sep 2023 #4
While it's true that at some point we must commit to run with our choices, jaxexpat Sep 2023 #5
I agree, and this is how people like Moms for Liberty make points against Democrats and their Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #9
Yikes. underpants Sep 2023 #7
This DOES bother me... Trueblue Texan Sep 2023 #8
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #31
Excuse me. I'm gay and resent the comparison. yardwork Sep 2023 #35
Well stated. quaint Sep 2023 #40
Thanks. yardwork Sep 2023 #41
Agree with you and though I did not see the post you responded to, I get a sense from your response. hlthe2b Sep 2023 #70
So you have a more deserving candidate in mind? Martin68 Sep 2023 #66
I mean, let your freak flag fly, but I don't know how this helps your campaign... SKKY Sep 2023 #11
Chaturbate Is for wankers! Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2023 #13
Seems to be a theme vercetti2021 Sep 2023 #15
Republicans never flinch. RandySF Sep 2023 #18
Katie Hill fell on her sword .... LenaBaby61 Sep 2023 #34
Yes, it's hypocritical but unfortunately, it's what we have. yardwork Sep 2023 #30
I don't care what consenting adults do, but this makes her a nonviable candidate. Vinca Sep 2023 #16
But she already won her primary. LisaL Sep 2023 #17
In Va., the race is just left uncontested. RandySF Sep 2023 #19
That's not good. LisaL Sep 2023 #20
It is what it is. RandySF Sep 2023 #21
Agree. To me the sexual behavior itself's a "whatever," Hortensis Sep 2023 #23
Obviously impossible for her to drop out at this point. yardwork Sep 2023 #29
Don't ask me. Write-in campaign? All she's going to do is gift Virginia to Republicans. Vinca Sep 2023 #22
Here is a story about this Dave in VA Sep 2023 #24
How is it an invasion of privacy? MichMan Sep 2023 #25
This might help her Polybius Sep 2023 #26
In these days, FeelingBlue Sep 2023 #27
Quick to judge justaprogressive Sep 2023 #37
Too bad they're not the only generations to vote! Trueblue Texan Sep 2023 #54
100% FeelingBlue Sep 2023 #71
I have questions. She won the primary? Who gets to vote in the primary? MaeScott Sep 2023 #28
Oh come on Farmer-Rick Sep 2023 #32
Bingo. Don't do stupid stuff Raven123 Sep 2023 #43
And if you like doing stupid stuff, don't run for public office at the same time. LisaL Sep 2023 #45
Yeah Malaria did it and we jumped all over her! CTyankee Sep 2023 #48
Dems had a right to complain about DJT's wife's behavior Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2023 #57
Exactly - it's a lack of judgment. Has she not heard of Katy Hill? I burned out writing postcards diva77 Sep 2023 #52
I guess it could be said that she never ran for office Polybius Sep 2023 #73
This revelation is judged to be a big character flaw by people NCjack Sep 2023 #33
SO F***ING WHAT!! justaprogressive Sep 2023 #36
Its not a progressive website; its a DEMOCRATIC website brooklynite Sep 2023 #38
I hope you're right. yardwork Sep 2023 #42
Yep. We lost NC senate seat, likely because the candidate decided it was ok to LisaL Sep 2023 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2023 #53
Uh huh. Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2023 #63
At least she didn't have an abortion..... Bayard Sep 2023 #39
She is running on a pro-choice campaign. LisaL Sep 2023 #46
The internet doesn't forget inwiththenew Sep 2023 #47
Links to the videos are all over Twitter Jose Garcia Sep 2023 #60
If it was streamed it on the net, her privacy wasn't invaded TexasBushwhacker Sep 2023 #49
I find an invasion of privacy a pretty bizarre argument on her part. LisaL Sep 2023 #64
Oh Christ on a crutch! MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2023 #50
None of the people you're ranting about are running against Gibson. brooklynite Sep 2023 #51
Italy elected a porn star to office pfitz59 Sep 2023 #55
Italians don't vote in US elections...certainly not in Virginia. brooklynite Sep 2023 #58
Democrats should stop promoting sleazed candidates rockfordfile Sep 2023 #56
Sleazed? BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2023 #59
Lmao. Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #61
Sex with her husband? Better than closeted Republicans voting to punish gays while they conceal Martin68 Sep 2023 #65
Did she not think an opponent would find out about, and exploit, this? LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #67
And THAT is the problem prodigitalson Sep 2023 #72
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
1. Public sex is soooo...
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 05:19 AM
Sep 2023

...much less taboo than it use to be.

Kind of takes the erotic out of it though.

hlthe2b

(113,800 posts)
6. Less taboo for men, maybe, but I doubt it will be only the RW that attempts to crucify HER for this.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 06:33 AM
Sep 2023

I only wish more people would remember that whatever appears on the Internet, is there forever. I certainly sympathize with her loss of privacy.

However unfair, I do think this will badly hurt her. Maybe her nasty RW opponents will stop short of some of the ugliest rhetoric attached to women in similar instances and I'd like to think her Dem primary opponents would avoid the issue, but ultimately this will hurt her.

hlthe2b

(113,800 posts)
69. Yes. Never meant to be disseminated beyond this closed "group," but it insane to think it would not
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 05:41 AM
Sep 2023

Not my thing, but I try to be equally tolerant of the (legal, nonharmful) personal behaviors of others--both male and female. Still, I agree that once the internet or digital sharing is involved, all assumptions of privacy are gone.

BTW, by "tips" I thought the article was suggesting "critiques." Not clear. I'm sure that is probably naive' of me, but none of this would be my thing..

Trueblue Texan

(4,423 posts)
10. it may be less taboo...
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:06 AM
Sep 2023

...but it still makes great fodder for smearing a candidate or even an entire political party. Have no doubt it will be used against ALL Democratic candidates.

RandySF

(83,821 posts)
2. She fucked her husband.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 05:27 AM
Sep 2023

Please support Susanna Gibson. She never fucked a porn star behind her pregnant wife's back.


Campaign link:

https://www.susannagibson.com

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
14. another idea for her campaign...
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:40 AM
Sep 2023

...would just be to show all the trump supporters responses when they are asked about whether his porn star connections matter to them.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
3. Electability! That is the issue. It's the deciding issue.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 05:38 AM
Sep 2023

Democrats cannot take over the government, cannot reform the government, while carrying distractions hung around their necks. It's a kind of reverse extortion tactic which benefits only the opposition.

RandySF

(83,821 posts)
4. That's what Sen. Don Riegle told me
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 05:43 AM
Sep 2023

when he tried to hang Bill Clinton out to dry just before the 1992 convention. You can't replace a nominee in Va. after the primary.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
5. While it's true that at some point we must commit to run with our choices,
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 06:09 AM
Sep 2023

there's nothing that says those who make these decisions shouldn't have access to all relevant data about the prospective candidate. It is unwise to commit to supporting a candidate with baggage which WILL affect their performance at the polls. I contend those who supported this candidate didn't know the whole of their candidate's story before the commitment. That's very telling about flaws in the process.

We accomplish NOTHING when we run losing candidacies because of some vague sense of values or because we don't know who they are. I would still vote the party in this case but it's the undecideds who ultimately call the shots and they probably won't.

Lonestarblue

(13,459 posts)
9. I agree, and this is how people like Moms for Liberty make points against Democrats and their
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:02 AM
Sep 2023

“leftist” agenda, which doesn’t actually exist. They hold up people like this candidate as being bad models for children. It’s really hard to justify public sex, even if it was between husband and wife. By this time, every person should know that anything shared on the Internet can and will become public if it’s compromising or embarrassing.

Trueblue Texan

(4,423 posts)
8. This DOES bother me...
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:02 AM
Sep 2023

What someone wants to legally do in their private life is their business, but Democrats should be wary of accepting of candidates with a history like this. For one thing, I strongly suspect most of the voters will have a problem with it, and for another, the Rethugs will paint every Dem in the nation with the same broad brush. And maybe the most important, we don't want to provide any evidence that we accept the behaviors in our party that are all over the Rethug party. I am sorry if this candidate was a victim illegal violation of privacy, as she claims and perhaps she should pursue justice regarding that. But as far as running for office, our support damages our party and we HAVE to win.

Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #8)

yardwork

(69,299 posts)
35. Excuse me. I'm gay and resent the comparison.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:22 AM
Sep 2023

This is NOT the same as being gay and I wish supposedly progressive people would stop making that comparison. Nor is is this anything remotely like interracial marriage.

I don't care what people get up to as long as it's not hurting anybody, but soliciting money for public sex acts - and this was public, it was live streamed - is not good judgement by somebody running for office. It's not good judgement for a nurse practitioner, frankly. It's not something I could do and expect to keep my job. And that's how a lot of voters are going to respond.

hlthe2b

(113,800 posts)
70. Agree with you and though I did not see the post you responded to, I get a sense from your response.
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 06:00 AM
Sep 2023

What I'm unclear on is if by "tips" they meant $$$ or critiques. That may be naive' but it was not clear to me... mainly because I cannot imagine doing either myself.

Regardless, this is not going to be a one-day story that she will be able to get past. Once out there (and for heavens sake, the internet lives forever) it will haunt her and be used to smear other Democrats. Fair or not, women are judged differently still, and Democrats far more harshly than a R doing the same.

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
15. Seems to be a theme
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:40 AM
Sep 2023

Democrat does something sexual: NEVER VOTE FOR THEM! DUR DUR!
Conservative does literally 100x worse shit: *crickets*

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
34. Katie Hill fell on her sword ....
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:02 AM
Sep 2023

because when Dems do something like this, their crucified. Yet, you can have LITERAL perverts hating on ALL in the Gay community and call for them to be executed, yet that same filthy preacher who called for Gays to be executed is a fucking child molester. But oh poor thing, he has 'mental' problems. Go EASY on his child rapist, right winged ass. You have Right winged judges caught fondling their OWN nieces in a family swimming pool with playmates looking on who told on the pervert who will step down, but he needs only seek help? What about charging his nasty ass? Right-wing ultra, ultra, ULTRA MAGA type preachers are caught with tons of kiddy porn on their computers and with the kiddies who pray for gays to die, and it's crickets or, well, he's been having 'mental' issues since his wife died of cancer, let's pray for him say his parishioners. The fuck. We don't have an even KIND OF FAIR media any longer--haven't in years (Damn Pres. Clinton: Telecom law Bill of HIS), And if I see one more GQP US TALIBAN Putin-Party Fascist Poll saying that Pres. Biden is too old to run for potus, Dems want him to step down as well, meanwhile--the indictments may reach 200 on tRump's ass, and he's is 77 damn years old, and looking more and more like the Crypt-keeper and sounding more deranged, maniacal, craven and blood thirsty as in wanting to imprison, jail, prosecute and close to lurching into killing his political enemies like Pol Pot or his bud Putin, and the same poll was paid for by tRaitor tRump and that same poll polled 1,200 people with 50% GQP'ers polled as if it's gospel and the so-called liberal media runs with it, I'll hurl 🤮

Whose polling Independents? Women? The Young? Democrats? Thank God for LIBERAL media who now do fight back like The Meidas Touch, Ben Taylor Cohen, Texas Paul, Randi Rhodes, Pod Save America, Stephanie Miller Show Happy Hours Podcasters et al., because the way the right-winged mostly corporate media who sucks ass and could care less if this country turns into the USSR, as long as they get their ad dollars, clicks and tRump views--it's all good to keep talking about how OLD Joe Biden is, and here's Rotten Ass Mitch glitching almost weekly now, and doctors who supposedly have taken a Hippocratic oath to not harm and to be honest are coming out in the press obviously telling bold faced LIES to us saying that he's "okay dokey," and he's allegedly fallen 2 or so times at airports in Kentucky and it's being hidden. He can't run from Karma though, because he won't let Dianne Feinstein leave her Senate Seat so she can be replaced, and God knows Poor DiFi needs lots of tlc, to rest and go home. Karma is doing it's thing on rotten ass McTurtle ....

Vinca

(53,904 posts)
16. I don't care what consenting adults do, but this makes her a nonviable candidate.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:40 AM
Sep 2023

It's speed-laced fodder for the right. She should drop out of the race. We need the seat.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Agree. To me the sexual behavior itself's a "whatever,"
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:24 AM
Sep 2023

not immoral and certainly not illegal in itself. BUT in this dangerous era running for office without disclosing in the primary and jeopardizing this seat IS immoral.

Whatever. As you say, VA Democrats need to stand their ground. The stakes are very big.

Ballotpedia: Heading into the general election, Republicans hold a 50-46 majority in the Virginia House, while Democrats hold a 22-18 majority in the Virginia Senate.

The election will determine control of the General Assembly and Virginia's trifecta status.

If Republicans maintain control of the House and win control of the Senate, Virginia would become a Republican trifecta. If Democrats win control of either chamber, the state would remain a divided government.

yardwork

(69,299 posts)
29. Obviously impossible for her to drop out at this point.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:44 AM
Sep 2023

But it's annoying as hell. She should not have run.

Vinca

(53,904 posts)
22. Don't ask me. Write-in campaign? All she's going to do is gift Virginia to Republicans.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:47 AM
Sep 2023

It's amazing this wasn't picked up on, but - I guess - it is kind of hard to imagine intelligent adults doing this kind of thing and opponents wouldn't automatically go looking for it. It's a real shame. We need Virginia .

MichMan

(17,100 posts)
25. How is it an invasion of privacy?
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:32 AM
Sep 2023
“My political opponents and their Republican allies have proven they’re willing to commit a sex crime to attack me and my family because there’s no line they won’t cross to silence women when they speak up.”


She and her husband performed them on line to a public audience. It's not like someone broke into her home and took them.

FeelingBlue

(801 posts)
27. In these days,
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:41 AM
Sep 2023

With so much on the line: abortion access, climate policy, voter rights, etc., it is abject failure to squander Dem. opportunity. I don’t care what the reason is. Poor judgement is the last thing Dems need in candidates. No Democrat who is unwilling to sacrifice the freedom to be stupid or the freedom to be licentious should run for office. The stakes are too high.

Trueblue Texan

(4,423 posts)
54. Too bad they're not the only generations to vote!
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 03:34 PM
Sep 2023

And frankly, those who don't give a f___, often don't vote at all!

This is not a moral judgement, its a political one!

FeelingBlue

(801 posts)
71. 100%
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 06:50 PM
Sep 2023

Exactly right. I don’t care what people do. But, I really care that Democrats win votes and don’t squander any opportunity to land in office. We need Democrats to be serious about solving our critical problems and certainly not jeopardizing an election. The stakes really are too high.

MaeScott

(968 posts)
28. I have questions. She won the primary? Who gets to vote in the primary?
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:42 AM
Sep 2023

Smells to me. Dems have too many false flag Dems as it is.

Farmer-Rick

(12,625 posts)
32. Oh come on
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:00 AM
Sep 2023

I would never vote for her not because of the sex. But because she was so stupid to have done it on the Internet in the first place. If you plan on running for public office, don't have sex on line.

But hay the GQP love sex workers don't they? What was Malaria, our first lady, but a former sex worker? She posed nude. She posed nude for porn shots of lesbian action. And she was an escort for old men. Seems Malaria Trump had done it all, except live action on the Internet with her husband. We are breaking new ground today.

LisaL

(47,418 posts)
45. And if you like doing stupid stuff, don't run for public office at the same time.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 11:13 AM
Sep 2023

NT

CTyankee

(68,151 posts)
48. Yeah Malaria did it and we jumped all over her!
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 01:34 PM
Sep 2023

We can do all kinds of clever ads and make our points without distractions (and this is a major distraction). This just feeds into more hysteria in our politics because one side can't deal with sex as something rational and good.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
57. Dems had a right to complain about DJT's wife's behavior
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 04:22 PM
Sep 2023

on the grounds of massively blatant hypocrisy. Think of how the Rs condemned Michelle Obama for wearing a sleeveless dress!!! It's just maddening for the Rs to get away with anything & everything.

diva77

(7,880 posts)
52. Exactly - it's a lack of judgment. Has she not heard of Katy Hill? I burned out writing postcards
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 03:13 PM
Sep 2023

and canvassing for that campaign and was elated when she won...and then she squandered the whole thing. I don't care about her personal life -- but as a candidate and newly elected representative, it was a lack of judgment and a betrayal to everyone who worked so hard to get her elected.

The special election to replace her was won by a rethuglican.

Polybius

(21,870 posts)
73. I guess it could be said that she never ran for office
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 10:35 PM
Sep 2023

The wife of someone running vs. someone actually running isn't the same thing.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
33. This revelation is judged to be a big character flaw by people
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:01 AM
Sep 2023

who will vote for an odious rapist in the presidential GOP primary.

justaprogressive

(6,881 posts)
36. SO F***ING WHAT!!
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:34 AM
Sep 2023

Geez I thought this was a progressive web site!

It's her own fucking life. She did NOTHING legally ethically or morally wrong!

Help her get there and watch her win!

I'll bet the Virginia voters are more liberal than some of the people here!

Because "Barbie".

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
38. Its not a progressive website; its a DEMOCRATIC website
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:44 AM
Sep 2023

You know, with the goal of electing Democrats?

Nobody here is criticizing her personal behavior. We're concerned about how her behavior impacts the ability to win a TOSS-UP district (where voters are apparently willing to consider voting Republican) when we need to pick up three seats to win back the House of Delegates.

yardwork

(69,299 posts)
42. I hope you're right.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:29 AM
Sep 2023

I was just as annoyed with NC's Democratic senatorial candidate in 2020, who threw away OUR chances because he had an affair while he was running for office. I don't give a flip about his personal life. I'm sorry that people are such hypocrites. But it is what it is.

LisaL

(47,418 posts)
44. Yep. We lost NC senate seat, likely because the candidate decided it was ok to
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 11:09 AM
Sep 2023

cheat on his wife and run for public office at the same time.
In a close election such a thing is unlikely to turn well.

Response to justaprogressive (Reply #36)

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
62. Uh huh.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 06:56 PM
Sep 2023

Newsflash: Women have been sexually liberated a long time. Not everyone is hung up about sex. If you are, that’s fine but your opinion matters little.

Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #62)

inwiththenew

(997 posts)
47. The internet doesn't forget
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 11:15 AM
Sep 2023

If you are going put porn of yourself online and then go into a public position there's chance someone is going to find it. I'm not saying don't do it but just be ready to respond when it comes to light. Once it's on the internet there is a good chance it's there forever. Even if you get someone to take it down people download it and upload it elsewhere.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,195 posts)
49. If it was streamed it on the net, her privacy wasn't invaded
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 01:53 PM
Sep 2023

If she had political aspirations when she did it, it was a stupid thing to do. If she didn't have political aspirations at the time, she should understand now that EVERYTHING from her past is fair game. Knowing she had this baggage, she should not have run.

She'd be better off laughing and saying the money was to pay her and her husband's student loans.

LisaL

(47,418 posts)
64. I find an invasion of privacy a pretty bizarre argument on her part.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:01 PM
Sep 2023

She life streamed it on a pornographic website, yet apparently she expected it to remain private?

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,455 posts)
50. Oh Christ on a crutch!
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 02:01 PM
Sep 2023

She should not have run because...because...this makes her "unlikable" and unelectable, and Republicans will "use" it to blah fucking blah.

Republicans/MAGAts use LIES against Dems ALL THE TIME. Hello? McCarthy's bogus no vote impeachment? Hunter's laptop? emails? falls? age? and about a zillion other BS accusations of anything that crosses their collective shared brain cell mind.

That freako fake titted Gargoyle gave lap dances to MAGAt contributors. Where's the outrage?? Oh. It's cool. She looks like she smells like boiled cabbage and crotch rot... but...she's not a candidate. Neither is Hunter Biden!

I am about full to capacity with the entire effed up planet. Oh, Putin says the US government is broken because his fat orange puppet is a goddamned criminal. Well let's hurry and do something about that!

I am

pfitz59

(12,650 posts)
55. Italy elected a porn star to office
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 03:57 PM
Sep 2023

What's important is her platform and goals in office. The GOP thrives on distraction attacks because they have no aim for America except 'suffer and die'.

Martin68

(27,641 posts)
65. Sex with her husband? Better than closeted Republicans voting to punish gays while they conceal
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:55 PM
Sep 2023

their homosexual liaisons. Or Republicans covering up for the base of minors. Trump was elected after adulterous affairs and boasts of sexual abusing women. What's the big deal. It's just sex between married partners.

LudwigPastorius

(14,663 posts)
67. Did she not think an opponent would find out about, and exploit, this?
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 11:43 PM
Sep 2023

If so, that's really naive.

prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
72. And THAT is the problem
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 07:22 PM
Sep 2023

Maybe she hired an opposition research person to look into herself (as any real candidate does/should) and they didn't find it and she thought she was good.

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