Top US general taking steps to protect family after Trump death comments

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: Reuters

September 27, 2023 9:09 PM EDT


Sept 27 (Reuters) - Outgoing U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley said on Wednesday he would take measures to protect his family after former President Donald Trump suggested he had colluded with China in an act he said would have once warranted death.

Trump last week criticized Milley's handling of the chaotic U.S. withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan in 2020 and said, without providing evidence, that "this guy turned out to be a Woke train wreck who, if the Fake News reporting is correct, was actually dealing with China to give them a heads up on the thinking of the President of the United States."

"This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!" Trump said on Sept. 22 on his Truth Social platform. Milley assumed the chairman role in October 2019 during Trump's presidency and is set to step down on Sept. 30.

Asked about the comments during an interview on CBS' 60 Minutes, Milley said in a clip released on Wednesday: "I've been faithful and loyal to the constitution of the United States for 44 and a half years."

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/top-us-general-taking-steps-protect-family-after-trump-death-comments-2023-09-28/

[2naSalit]

1. I can only imagine that...

Anyone stupid enough to mess with him or his family will quickly learn what FAFO means in a bad way.

[COL Mustard]

2. It's really telling that we have come to this

When a glorified con man can whip up his cult and say these outrageous things. General Milley doesn't deserve this. Who's next? I remember several years ago when the "Oath Keepers" were outside the Pentagon accosting us as we were leaving the building and telling us that WE were violating OUR oaths. I didn't think so then, and I certainly don't think so now.

[Permanut]

54. "Who's next" indeed..

And there will be a next person or group. I'm guessing there are many with whistleblower or other information relevant to the activities of the Slobfather, but realize the risk to themselves and their families - so haven't come forward yet.

[gordianot]

3. Someday Trump threats will be realized in court.

I get the feeling this is the wrong person to threaten. Amazing what indicted people get by with these days.

[captain queeg]

4. I think that it's just a matter of time till someone gets killed due to tfg's insane rhetoric

Maybe then then they’ll lock him up. It’s the only way to shut him up.

[Wednesdays]

35. Already done.

Brian Sicknick, for starters.

[gab13by13]

5. For all of you here who criticize Cassidy Hutchinson,

consider this, she does not have the resources of general Milley or Mitt Romney to pay for 24/7 security.

Think about that before you criticize her.

Think about the Republican Senators who told Mitt Romney they were afraid to vote to indict Trump.

No one, let me repeat myself, no one has shown more courage taking on Donald Duck than Cassidy Hutchinson. Tish James, Fani Willis, Jack Smith Alvin Bragg all have security provided for them. Fani Willis even bought her prosecutors bullet proof vests.

[Mister Ed]

6. +1. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

8. "No one has shown more courage taking on Donald Duck than Cassidy Hutchinson."

Except this guy -

Michael Cohen’s revenge: Donald Trump’s fraud was exposed by his ex-fixer



Barry Williams/for New York Daily News
Michael Cohen leaves Manhattan civil court during lunch break July 7, in Manhattan, New York. (Barry Williams/for New York Daily News)


By New York Daily News Editorial Board |
September 28, 2023 at 4:05 a.m.


The damming civil court ruling that Donald Trump had systematically lied on statements of financial condition he supplied to lenders and insurers and will be stripped of his ability to conduct business in New York and exposed to a possible quarter-billion dollar fine could have and should have also carried a criminal penalty, had only someone brought the case. And that criminal case should still be brought. Who will step up?

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg declined to seek an indictment on this valuations case, despite his predecessor Cy Vance laying out the groundwork by prosecutors Mark Pomerantz and Carey Dunne. State Attorney General Tish James, who did a fantastic job on this civil proceeding before Manhattan state Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron, could obtain a criminal referral and pursue prison for Trump.Manhattan United States Attorney Damian Williams could also have a go, as could the IRS. Do it. Justice demands so.

The facts are all there, as Engoron wrote in his 35-page decision: “the documents here clearly contain fraudulent valuations that defendants used in business.” Trump, as we have long known, lies about everything, even the size of his 10,996 square foot Trump Tower triplex, which he claimed was three times as large at 30,000 square feet, causing Engoron to conclude: “A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud.” And on and on and on. Liar, liar, liar. Fraud, fraud, fraud. Cheat, cheat, cheat.

The comeuppance for the con man is thanks to his one-time bagman, fixer Michael Cohen. That Trump toady ratted out the Boss and the whole Trump Organization after he was left out in the cold and prosecuted by the feds in 2018 for carrying Trump’s water. He pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations related to hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to cover up Trump’s trysts and tax evasion and making false statements to a federally insured bank, as well as lying to Congress. But before Cohen reported to federal prison to start his three-year sentence, he gave testimony to the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 27, 2019, a day after he was disbarred by the New York courts for his felony convictions.

(snip)

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/28/michael-cohens-revenge-donald-trumps-fraud-was-exposed-by-his-ex-fixer/

[gab13by13]

10. That guy said last night

that he may not testify in the Tish James trial scheduled for Monday because he isn't ready to die yet. He said nothing is being done to stop Donald Duck from threatening people.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. The biggest charge

already had a summary judgment.

The other 6 include 2 for insurers.

During his many TV appearances, Cohen very openly gave examples of the exaggerations. But it's also possible (although he has been charged in this case too) that whatever Weisselberg testified about in the org's tax fraud trial last year, could be used for this.

[gab13by13]

18. Hey, I'm just telling you what he said last night.

He said he isn't ready to die.

[paleotn]

26. He says a lot of things. Doesn't mean they ALL hold water.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. It emphasizes what you said about Hutchinson

and this has been a running theme when it comes to "mob bosses".

Hell, I think this guy is a "hero" because he "told it like it is" and had a great prophetic quote that went around the world -

[wnylib]

34. Michael Cohen predicted before the 2020 election,

before J6, that there would not be a peaceful transition and that Trump would never accept it if he lost.

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[BumRushDaShow]

38. And that interview was recorded Sep 24, 2020

and we not only saw what happened with the election shenanigans and the refusal to accept the loss, followed by the violence of J6, but we also saw what happened with the rapid confirmation of a Supreme Court replacement for Ginsburg.

And the reference to Elijah Cummings in that Don Lemon interview was regarding his hearing with Cohen that happened 7 months earlier - Feb. 27, 2019 (some Cummings' closing remarks) -

The full hearing on that date is here -

[Major Nikon]

15. Not really

Certainly Michael Cohen's efforts to set the record straight now are laudable, but his turn only happened when he had no other choice. Had Trump not thrown him under the bus, he'd still be right next to the orange dipshit doing his bidding. Let's not forget how he said he'd take a bullet for Trump.

Cassidy Hutchinson did the right thing when she did have other choices. I might not agree with her politics, but her ethics are light years ahead of Cohen.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. "his turn only happened when he had no other choice."

He had a "choice" and he "came clean", and also blew open the illusionary facade in what may be the beginning of the end of 45's operation. His "insider" info proved valuable across a number criminal activities.

Not to diminish Hutchinson as her revelations have been game-changer helpful with respect to the teabagger Chief of Staff she worked for and some of the inner workings of the west wing, but she only worked in that capacity for 10 months. Cohen worked in his capacity for over 10 years.

[Major Nikon]

32. I don't agree the info provided by a convicted liar was all that valuable

He was breaking the law as a lawyer with the full knowledge his acts were criminal. Anyone who was paying attention already knew the orange dipshit was a phenomenal fraud. Trump particularly sought out lawyers with questionable ethics and Cohen was the epitome of a crooked lawyer. Certainly those who are working to convict Trump have sought him out for info, but I'm not convinced any of it was all that valuable. If it was he wouldn't have served 3 years in prison and house arrest.

Hutchinson was a professional congressional staffer and as far as I've seen her credibility has never been questionable.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. " I don't agree the info provided by a convicted liar was all that valuable"

The whole "inflation of the property values" info from him has been pretty much verified by AG Tish James, with what became a giant wad of "proof". That "proof" was handed to a judge, who very quickly threw up his hands and handed down a summary judgment on the fraud. Regardless of his lies and subterfuge, what he eventually testified to has panned out.

Other than Weisselberg, Cohen was one of the biggest ones to know about what was going on.

What is interesting is how Hope Hicks, who left the administration the first year, but then came back around the same time that Cassidy Hutchinson was brought on, has managed to be out of any spotlight at all.

[Major Nikon]

55. You make it sound as if it were some big secret

Trump himself bragged about his ridiculous valuations. Banks and everyone else knew what Trump was doing for decades. That's why no domestic bank in the country would loan him money. Everything was well documented in his bankruptcy filings and loan documents. They didn't need the testimony of a convicted perjurer for any of it. Meanwhile Cohen had very little to do with Trump's real estate ventures. He was the hatchet man who filed frivolous revenge lawsuits against people the orange dipshit didn't like and made payoffs to his mistresses and ex-wives in exchange for NDAs.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. Well apparently none of a parade of AGs like Robert Abrams, Andrew Cuomo and Eliot Spitzer

among others, let alone any of the D.A.'s for Manhattan including Cyrus Vance, Jr, bothered for the past 50 fucking years, to do anything... let alone do so based on some "Well everyone knew about it" reason.

That's not how the courts work.

What seemed to change the ballgame for someone to START to "do something" was a Presidential election, an "affair" with a lady having a stage name of "Stormy Daniels", and a notorious celebrity tabloid. Once 45 got into office and all hell broke loose, something had to happen.

The payments to Cohen were business fraud extraordinaire - and even potential election fraud based on how the expenses were reported (outside of being a "retainer" ).

Bragg had a trial against the org for criminal tax fraud a year ago where Weisselberg partially cooperated (but was still sentenced to prison for 5 months), so info from that was available.

[BumRushDaShow]

39. See these posts above

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3136207

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3136225

The testimony that he did back in 2019 for the House Oversight Committee Chaired by Elijah Cummings, provided far more info for all parties involved, for the criminality, because he was part of it.

In terms of "bravery" for someone as young as she was, there is no question. But she was not the only one to drop the dime. There are piles of discarded former-employees like Bolton, Milley and even as mentioned upthread, Omarosa, who people wiped from their minds - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3136182

[MorbidButterflyTat]

49. Yep

And Michael Cohen knows EXACTLY how trump operates. Michael Cohen is NOT afraid of trump.

Link to tweet

Letitia James credits Cohen's congressional testimony for nailing t****.

I saw where Cohen said he might not testify. He might not have to. He only spent literally months testifying to NY prosecutors about t****'s criminality.

But....even though he has nice brown eyes, he's just not as young and pretty as Cassidy. "She single handedly saved democracy!!1!!"

[moniss]

17. There was another who took him on early on

but she did have more resources if needed. Omarosa may well be criticized for many things but she did blow the whistle very early on.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. Yup

Right at the beginning - and then wrote a book.

[Rebl2]

42. Agree

[niyad]

53. And yet, after all this, she is STILL a puke. So, no, I am not inclined to

canonize her

[Vinca]

7. There comes a point when Trump's death threats need to be taken more seriously by the

Justice Department. People get arrested for threatening public officials once and Trump issues death threats on a daily basis. I'm so sick of this guy being treated with kid gloves. Revoke his bail, lock his ass up.

[Lonestarblue]

9. Why is this not the equivalent of Trump making death threats?

When the vile woman in Texas made death to Judge Chutkan, she was arrested and prosecuted. The same should happen to Trump. I understand that he is not saying “I will kill you,” but he is talking in mob boss code with his threats.

[gab13by13]

11. We don't have laws to deal with domestic terrorists,

For example: Canada has designated the Proud Boys a terrorist organization. Canada has laws against hate speech and minutes after I post this there will be people defending the right to have hate speech here.

[Lonestarblue]

14. We need similar laws here. I don't think the First Amendment was ever intended to protect

hate speech and the right to incite violence through disinformation.

[BlueMTexpat]

21. THIS!!!!!!!! eom

[SouthernDem4ever]

36. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

12. "I understand that he is not saying 'I will kill you,'"

And that is exactly why.

If such were to go to court, the defense could argue - "Oh... that's just 'hyperbole'", and a jury could be convinced to believe it lock, stock, and barrel.

So as it is, DOJ has had to cobble together a series of such weasel word dog whistles in order to establish the pattern of what amounts to "incitement", to show "intent", and use that to get restrictions.

[keithbvadu2]

20. Dotard ensured that his adult children got an extra six months of SS protection.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Here was the law

18 USC 3056: Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service

https://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=126&page=2413

2013

The Former Presidents Protection Act of 2012, reverses a previous law that limited Secret Service protection for former presidents and their families to 10 years if they served after 1997. Former President George W. Bush and future former presidents will receive Secret Service protection for the rest of their lives. Children of former presidents up to the age of 16 are assured protection under the new law.

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/history/timeline

But his unusual E.O., like everything else cagey or fraudulent that he did, just adds to the criminality that took place during that administration.

[thesquanderer]

25. People who are moved by his words to take measures to protect themselves...

...should at least be able to sue him civilly for the costs incurred (hiring security people, relocating, whatever). And only a "preponderance of evidence" is needed for Trump to lose that suit, and juries can award more than merely "reimbursement." Especially when"emotional distress" is added to the equation.

[BumRushDaShow]

29. That's probably harder to prove

and would also probably need to be tacked on as a civil suit related to some criminal charge.

[Major Nikon]

13. Kinda rich coming from someone who led a no-shit seditious movement

[yonder]

23. Using his own logic, tfg himself should be subject to the same solution

for saluting that North Korean general a few years ago, or the private WH meeting with Russian leadership or J6, or the unrecorded private meeting with Putin, or...or...or, on and on, ad infinitum.

[Aviation Pro]

24. If anyone thinks Gen. Milley measures will only be defensive

I suggest they do a little research on where he was as a Special Forces officer.

And look up the tactic "target profiling."

[MorbidButterflyTat]

51. It would be so cool

if he engineered a Rambo ambush!



"I'll give you a war you won't believe!"

[Hope22]

30. Good for him!

I will add that any person who is a registered Dem could be in peril. Voter records are public and available on the internet! When TFG goes on a rant and tells his disciples to kill the libs it will not take but a minute to cull the herd! I have told my family to change their voter registration and we will not be having election yard signs this year. It’s probably too late for us though because our Trump neighbors know who and where we are. In the past we have had election signs burned and shot at in the front yard. The whole thing is disgusting and depressing!

[moniss]

31. The harrassment

of voters by the GQP in Wisconsin has taken many forms. I remember specifically during the Scott Walker recall election my Mom was getting calls because the GQP took the recall petitions and lined up the addresses with phone numbers. You can be sure the GQP didn't toss away that info once the election was over. She started getting all kinds of political mailings and thankfully she didn't have a computer or do e-mail. I had some of these lunatics knock on my door during the Obama years trying to peddle the Kenya crap.

[Hope22]

33. ...it knows no limits!

Stay safe!

[keithbvadu2]

37. There was a cartoon of Trump 'almost' calling for execution of those who cross him.

There was a cartoon of Trump 'almost' calling for execution of those who cross him.

In the shadows was a sinister follower with his rifle and saying something like 'on it sir'.

[Kid Berwyn]

40. Milley's crime?

Telling the truth about Trump.

[ffr]

41. The projection on the part of TFG is thick. He's the one who played fast and loose with top secrets

He's the one who should be held to account!

[republianmushroom]

43. When does the courts act ?

Stop the coddling. Lock him up.
32 months and counting

[tonekat]

44. I know who deserves death. N/T

[PortTack]

45. Sickening....the orange mass walks free spreading violence and hate against Americans

Taylor Swift has picked up her security and I’m sure lots of others.

This is one area I think the DOJ is not doing the right thing. GAG and jail that bastard

[4lbs]

46. Dumpster Fire even put in a "way out" if something does happen.

He'll claim he wasn't responsible for anything, and blame the "Fake News" for reporting things wrong.

So, if it does happen, and there are no consequences, he'll say something along the lines of "See, I told you. Good job!"

If it does happen, and he faces harsh criticism, he'll say something like "Wait, blame the Fake News for reporting it wrong. Not my fault. I was just going off what they said."

(The just following orders defense)

[BlueWavePsych]

47. Kick

[SpamWyzer]

48. So the Golden

Glock in the fascist gunshop episode is Po11etc.'s fantasy of shooting the general in the head when he comes back to power? Sick little dictator he thinks he is, he would, of course, do it on 5th Ave. in NYC...How many people praying for death of Hitler would it take to actually produce stochastic terrorists who would do the job?

[Liberty Belle]

50. These families all need to sue Trump for security costs, mental anguish,

relocation costs for some, etc. Even jailing him isn't enough. Make him pay financially every time his threats cause someone financial harm or other damage.