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peppertree

(21,664 posts)
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 04:42 PM Sep 2023

Gen. Mark Milley Warns of Fealty to Dictators, in Exit Speech Aimed at Trump

Source: Wall Street Journal

Army Gen. Mark Milley, the Pentagon's top officer, warned in his retirement speech on Friday that military officers must adhere to the Constitution and not bow to political pressures, in what appeared to be thinly-veiled comments about former President Donald Trump.

"We don't take an oath to a country, we don't take an oath to a tribe, we don't take an oath to a religion, we don't take an oath to a king, or a queen, to a tyrant or dictator or wannabe dictator," Gen. Milley bellowed across a military parade field, without mentioning his former boss by name.

"We do not take an oath to an individual, we take an oath to the Constitution, to the idea that is America and we're willing to die to protect it."

Friday's speech was Milley's last official ceremony as the Joint Chiefs chairman after years of positioning himself as a defender of democracy -- and drawing the ire of critics who have accused him of overstepping the authority of the commander in chief and pursuing what they perceive as a progressive agenda.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/gen-mark-milley-warns-of-fealty-to-dictators-in-exit-speech-aimed-at-trump/ar-AA1hsA6h





Trump and others on the political hard right have repeatedly attacked Gen. Mark Milley, pushing up against norms for public behavior for politicians and elected officials in the process.
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Gen. Mark Milley Warns of Fealty to Dictators, in Exit Speech Aimed at Trump (Original Post) peppertree Sep 2023 OP
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2023 #1
I'm sure he gave remarks in private too Captain Zero Sep 2023 #3
No, because the President is not subject to the UCMJ. n/t malthaussen Sep 2023 #12
Because he is a Civilian Authority (?). electric_blue68 Sep 2023 #14
Under the previous administration, I had my doubts about our military leaders ffr Sep 2023 #2
It's why they want to leave openings vacant. Captain Zero Sep 2023 #4
+33. Harker Sep 2023 #8
they did run a lot of good ppl out. mopinko Sep 2023 #7
It's all about timing. And character. n/t Harker Sep 2023 #5
Unlike Michael Flynn, who disgraced himself by pledging fealty to one man. Oneironaut Sep 2023 #6
I'd almost bet Cheeto regrets not installing him as Joint Chiefs Chairman peppertree Sep 2023 #9
So adhering to the US Constitution is now a "Progressive Agenda" SouthernDem4ever Sep 2023 #10
The author is paraphrasing others, he's not using the term himself. malthaussen Sep 2023 #13
I have some sympathy for Gen. Milley. malthaussen Sep 2023 #11

Captain Zero

(6,823 posts)
3. I'm sure he gave remarks in private too
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 04:53 PM
Sep 2023

To some selected groups.
Sad that he needed to do so, but good that he did.


Theoretically speaking, if a president repeatedly gave illegal orders, could a top officer warn him about illegal orders and then arrest him if he continues giving illegal orders?

I guess he could always refer the illegal orders to the judiciary committee and see if they wanted to take it up with the house.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
2. Under the previous administration, I had my doubts about our military leaders
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 04:49 PM
Sep 2023

But General Milley has completely restored that faith. These are people of honor, of duty, of integrity and of sacrifice.

I see why republicans would hate such a person.

Captain Zero

(6,823 posts)
4. It's why they want to leave openings vacant.
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 04:54 PM
Sep 2023

See if they can later fill the spots with Maga Lemmings

Harker

(14,034 posts)
8. +33.
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 04:58 PM
Sep 2023

Tuberville is fulfilling his role as a member of the insurrection..

They're treading water until the next wave.

peppertree

(21,664 posts)
9. I'd almost bet Cheeto regrets not installing him as Joint Chiefs Chairman
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 05:16 PM
Sep 2023

And that, should he get the chance, he would gladly do so on day one.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
10. So adhering to the US Constitution is now a "Progressive Agenda"
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 10:37 PM
Sep 2023

If I were working at the WSJ I would be embarrassed that one of my colleagues put something that stupid in our paper.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
13. The author is paraphrasing others, he's not using the term himself.
Sat Sep 30, 2023, 12:46 PM
Sep 2023

It is a fact, and a sad one, that some people do see adhering to the Constitution as part of a "Progressive Agenda."

Which actually says something. If they think the Constitution is a "progressive" document, then they must think society should regress to before the Constitution was ratified. Not the 1950s, more like the 1750s.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
11. I have some sympathy for Gen. Milley.
Sat Sep 30, 2023, 12:39 PM
Sep 2023

Poor guy was just hoping to have a nice, honorable and cush gig as chairman of the JCS, and he had to deal with the nightmare of Donald Trump as his boss. I'd guess that at first he hoped he could work with the fool, and that it took him some time to realize just how much of a fool he was working with. He had to lower his expectations daily, if not more often, and I wonder if he was haunted by the question of how low those expectations would have to go.

At any rate, I'm more inclined to sympathize with him and respect what he has to say now that he is free to speak, than with the weasels who willingly worked with DJT until he fired them, and then whined about sour grapes. They had a choice, the general had a duty, and therein lies the difference.

-- Mal

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