No power, water or fuel to Gaza until hostages freed, says Israel minister

[brooklynite]

Source: The Guardian

Israel has said there will be no humanitarian break to its siege of the Gaza Strip until all its hostages are freed, amid growing concern over dwindling water, food and fuel supplies after a fifth night of bombardment.

The energy minister, Israel Katz, wrote on social media that no “electrical switch will be turned on, no water hydrant will be opened and no fuel truck will enter” until the “abductees” are free.

Israel is preparing to launch a ground invasion in response to bloody massacres carried out in 20 Israeli communities by the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas last weekend, during which dozens of hostages were also seized.

Israel Defence Forces strikes killed 33 people within two hours overnight on Thursday, according to Al Jazeera’s local reporter, bringing the death toll in Gaza to 1,200. The reporter said fighter jets attacked houses in several areas, and civil defence groups recovered the bodies of the dead.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/no-power-water-or-fuel-to-gaza-until-hostages-freed-says-israeli-minister

[BigmanPigman]

1. I rarely see women out in the streets In Gaza,

they must be really suffering, along with the children, in hiding areas.

[Joe Cool]

3. Maybe the women in Gaza should tell Hamas to free the hostages and stop being terrorists.

I have no sympathy for anyone who stays silent.

[claudette]

7. Do you honestly

believe Hamas would listen to the innocent women? If the "world" cannot stop this madness, how are victims of this atrocity going to stop them?

[Joe Cool]

10. Silence is consent

If they knew what Hamas was up to and said nothing or maybe even supported their actions, then they have no one to blame for themselves for what might happen to them. Stop defending the indefensible. The majority of Gaza supports Hamas.

[claudette]

13. I am not

"defending the indefensible." How do you read THAT into what I said. Please don't accuse me of something I did not do. I'd like to know where you get your "facts." Hamas does not speak for ALL the Palestinians in Gaza. Use some common sense and stop accusing others of "defending" Hamas' atrocities just because we feel compassion for those who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel.

[ExciteBike66]

18. This is absurd.

Maybe they just don't want to get shot by hamas for snitching.

[electric_blue68]

50. Just arriving at this thread, above post #10 I was thinking something just like this....

What you said

[ExciteBike66]

33. Would love to hear how this applies to kids...

I mean, if that two-year-old Palestinian is silent, can he be bombed? Can his water supply be shut off?

[obamanut2012]

54. That poster has stated children are Hamas supporters and should be treated as such

ie destroyed.

They specifically mentioned ten-year-olds yesterday in their OP.

[claudette]

6. That's what I was thinking

I pity all those innocents and those who need (but don't have) electricity for medical equipment to stay alive. And, without water (being withheld by Israel) many innocent people will die.

[Joe Cool]

11. The majority of Gaza supports Hamas.

Actions have consequences.

[claudette]

14. And, you know this how?

Who took the poll?

[Beastly Boy]

35. The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research took the poll

https://www.jns.org/poll-paradigm-shift-among-palestinians-as-they-throw-support-behind-hamas/

[AZSkiffyGeek]

42. In before "polls are never accurate"

And something about land lines.

[JudyM]

52. This. Is. On. Hamas. All Hamas has to do is release the innocent civilian hostages they kidnapped.

They have so far refused. If they care about the children, the hospital patients (even just as much as you do) they know what to do. Wouldn’t you release the hostages in order to get the power, etc back on?

They are too busy using them as pawns and shields.

[vlyons]

8. Yes of course suffering. That's what hatred and violence brings into the world.

What did Hamas think it was creating? Why can't they understand that their terrorism and violence just brings more suffering on their own families and other innocent Palestinians. Did they think that the Israelis would just stand by and do nothing? Hamas will be hunted down and executed. Meanwhile their children are being taught to hate and kill. Are there any Palestinian voices of reason to tell Hamas to stop? You don't represent us. We want peace. The Israelis are not going to come to peace talks as long as Hamas is calling for a 2nd haulocaust against all Jews. What's that slogan that Israelis made famous? "Never forget"

[ExciteBike66]

25. Hamas knew Israel's response.

Hamas doesn't care about civilians on either side.

[vlyons]

39. of course not, because they are consumed with hatred.

nt

[mitch96]

45. For Hamas it's all about killing Jews. They showed their hand. Believe them. nt

[maxsolomon]

55. Like, in photos?

where are you seeing street life in Gaza?

[BigmanPigman]

56. From reports from the press/journalists

on CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Reuters, etc. I'm a very visual person and that stood out to me.

[Tomconroy]

2. So all Hamas has to do is free the hostages.

[claudette]

4. Yes, I read that he

said he wants to "wipe them off the face of the earth." Now, who was it, in the past had that same idea about Jews?

[Tomconroy]

12. This is the actual quote:

"We will wipe out this thing called Hamas,” Gallant said in the Wednesday evening press conference. “Hamas — the Islamic State of Gaza — will be wiped from the face of the earth. It will not continue to exist. There will be no situation in which Israeli children are murdered and we all go about our business.”


He is obviously referring to Hamas ideological proponents.

[claudette]

16. Yet, nothing was said

by him about those who are NOT complicit in the attack on Israel. If "the Islamic Stafe of Gaza is "wiped off the face of the earth" what about the others? Who will rebuild their homes?

[Tomconroy]

17. I've addressed the issue of what the IDF is doing elsewhere.

My question for you is why did you deliberately misrepresent what the general actually said?

[claudette]

19. No, I posted the quote

that I saw online. Again, I ask, what is the difference if he wants to "wipe the Islamic State of Gaza" off the face of the earth when millions of INNOCENTS live there? Does that statement not include them? We just got different meanings from what he said.

[Tomconroy]

22. 'Islamic State of Gaza' is referring to a specific political faction.

I think it would help a bit if you educated yourself on some of these issues instead of merely regurgitating propaganda.
But that's just me.

[claudette]

26. I know enough

that when Netanyahoo says he wants to "obliterate" someone, it includes death to millions of innocents.

Besides, there is no such thing called "The Islamic State of Gaza." That is a name that Israel has given the homeland of the Palestinians.

Maybe you could learn more, too. We all could. My heart goes out to ALL those innocents in Israel and Palestine who are suffering now. The thing is, Israel has the powerful weapons to actually "wipe out" their enemy. Innocent Palestinians do not.

[Tomconroy]

28. Sigh

Sheikh Omar Hadid Brigade

The Sheikh Omar Hadid Brigade, also known as Islamic State in Gaza, is an Islamist militant group affiliated with the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant that is active in the Gaza Strip. Its goals have consistently matched those of the Islamic State, in that it seeks to establish the al-Sham caliphate. Wikipedia

You could have looked this up in 15 seconds.

[JudyM]

53. That is on Hamas. They are taking advantage of innocent civilians in Gaza as well as slaughtering

so many Israeli women and children execution-style with gusto and delight.

[electric_blue68]

51. But why use the word "State" it has three major meanings. ..

state - state ot mind
state - a physical aspect

But Cap S - State usually refers to a political, gov't entiry

Now using the word Group instead would mean a certain group of people believing _______ .

[T_A]

5. I Don't Get

why the Israeli RightWing is so eager to punish and kill Palestinian civilians. Many are saying they want the IDF to FLATTEN Gaza. Not to mention cutting-off electricity, water, fuel, and food is a war crime.

In this country, when a RightWing Christian murders a physician, or bombs a clinic, or is involved in a Domestic Terrorist Attack, we don't blame all the other Christians. We don't destroy their homes or their churches.

[claudette]

9. Fortunately

we don't have Netanyahoo as our leader. Dump comes close, though.

[3Hotdogs]

15. Same as with our Maggots .... if they had the power, goodbye Jews, Catholics, Latinos, Blacks,

Muslims, ....

Now I ain't arguing that all Maggots want all of these groups to be out of the country. Still, it was about 30 years ago that KKK leadership said it would be ok to let Roman Catholics in because they needed more members.

Jews? That's iffy.... On one hand, we need them to bring on the Apocalypse so that Jesus can come back and buy us all ice cream at Dairy Queen.

Latinos? Bubbles with wire on the Rio Grande sound familiar?

Blacks --- that's confusing to me. Lenny Bruce, "How to relax a Negro at a party." "It takes both the white keys and the black keys to play the Star Spangled Banner."


Muslims? I don't need to explain that one to ya, do I?

[Tomconroy]

20. Israel is using precise munitions to take out buildings they believe

Are military related somehow. If the IDF was actually trying to wipe the Gaza Palestinians off the face of the earth they would be doing indiscriminate carpet bombing.

[cstanleytech]

24. Don't forget the nukes especially if they have any neutron bombs in stock.

[T_A]

27. As I Posted In Another Thread

BBC Radio reported that at night, the IDF was dropping "barrel bombs" on civilian structures in Gaza, but when the sun came up, they switched to firing artillery rounds and tank rounds.

[claudette]

29. That is awful

and means more and more slow deaths.

"...Hospitals in Gaza risk turning into morgues without electricity, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says.

Gaza's only power plant ran out of fuel on Wednesday, and back-up generators could stop working in hours, it adds.

Medical centres have been overwhelmed after Israel imposed a "complete siege" on Gaza and pounded the territory with air and artillery strikes.

Hamas launched an unprecedented attack on southern Israel on Saturday.
Israel has vowed not to restore electricity or allow basic resources and humanitarian aid into Gaza until Hamas releases around 150 hostages it abducted during its attacks on Saturday.

"As Gaza loses power, hospitals lose power, putting newborns in incubators and elderly patients on oxygen at risk. Kidney dialysis stops, and X-rays can't be taken," said Fabrizio Carboni, the ICRC's director for the region.

"Without electricity, hospitals risk turning into morgues." He added that hospitals were still running on generators - but fuel would only last "for a few hours".



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67087035

[Tomconroy]

30. I've seen no evidence of the use of barrel bombs.

Modern western tank and artillery are precise weapons these days. That Ukraine's advantage in their fight against Russian imperialism.

[T_A]

31. I Believe

that's the point of dropping them at night.

[Tomconroy]

32. Your claim about barrel bombs is false. Period.

[T_A]

38. Not My Claim

Take it up with the BBC. Their report.

[Beastly Boy]

46. Link to it or quit referring to it.

[T_A]

58. NOPE

[Beastly Boy]

61. You are quickly developing a reputation here.

have you found the "ignore" feature here yet?

In certain cases it is very useful. In others it is a necessity.

[T_A]

62. I'm Sticking With The BBC Report

they are a reputable media outlet. I won't reject it just because you don't like it.

[Beastly Boy]

63. A parting reminder

BBC is a reputable source. You are not (duh!). Cite BBC, not you (see the difference?) or enjoy talking to yourself.

Have a nice stay on DU, however long it might be!

[Beastly Boy]

36. But you didn't post the link to the report.

So we don't even know whether BBC reported what you say they reported, let alone verify the sources of their reporting.

[T_A]

40. Once Again

No manner to "link" to a LIVE radio broadcast.

[Beastly Boy]

41. It's on you to back your words up. Deal with it.

[T_A]

44. Sorry

but I cannot be expected to accomplish the impossible.

Nobody is forcing you to read my posts.

[Beastly Boy]

48. Then quit bringing up something that you find inpossible to back up.

Nobody is forcing you to post.

[T_A]

59. Eh

Nobody is forcing you to post.

Exactly.

[sarisataka]

43. So the usual "doubt atrocity reports until proven"

Only applies to one side?

To recycle some quotes, who says this, was it independent reporters, what are the names of those reporters, show us the pictures...

[EX500rider]

49. Very unlikely a modern military like the IDF even has "barrel bombs" in it's inventory

That is a crude makeshift weapon used by the Syrians on their own people, pushed out of doors of helicopters.

I really doubt the IDF has reached the bottom of the barrel of their inventory yet so to speak.

Also if it is happening at night how are they ID'ing the weapon? Sounds like Hamas BS propaganda.

[T_A]

60. Really?

The IDF just got caught dropping White phosphorus weapons in Gaza which is a War Crime.

[EX500rider]

64. Actually WP has legal uses in war

And so far there's been one picture that may or may not be that.

[T_A]

66. NO

They have multiple videos and the use in civilian areas is a War Crime.

[cstanleytech]

21. They have had the ability to level Gaza to the ground for years so that's not true and no

I am not a fan of Israel as their governments actions for decades have sucked.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

23. Paint all the humans there all with the same brush! Then can send in to flatten the place!

People denying that’s been said repeatedly by Israel minority government officials with actual power…then walk it forward by saying…genocides ok! 👌

If only there was a single even unreliable shocking story of murder one could use to ratchet up the hate….

[Beastly Boy]

37. Is this meant to be a factual statement?

Or is it a mere conjecture on your part?

[sarisataka]

47. Well there was a concert

With a couple hundred killed- proven
A kibbutz with at least dozens in no 100 killed-proven (although there is a question of how many were infants and if anyone was beheaded so we may just erase this one because of bookkeeping errors)
A grandmother murdered and posted to her Facebook by Hamas- proven
A child taken from her family an executed in the front yard- video provided by Hamas
Israeli child paraded through Gaza veing taunted and abused- video provided by Hamas
Hamas asserting "no civilians were killed", only "on or off duty armed forces"- video of Hamas spokesman

But these don't matter because... (I think we know why)

The Israeli RW wants to eliminate Gaza, Hamas wants to eliminate Israel. Where do you go from there?

[TheProle]

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