Judge scolds prosecutors as she delays hearing for co-defendant in Trump classified documents case

[Kid Berwyn]

Source: Associated Press

FORT PIERCE, Fla. (AP) — A judge on Thursday scolded federal prosecutors in the classified documents case against Donald Trump as she postponed a hearing to determine if the lawyer for one of the former president's co-defendants had a conflict of interest.

“I admonish the government for wasting the court's time,” U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon told prosecutors, saying they had presented arguments during Thursday's hearing that had not been properly raised in earlier court filings.

She said she would continue the hearing at a later date for Walt Nauta, a Trump valet charged with conspiring with Trump to conceal classified documents from investigators.

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team had asked for hearings to ensure that Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira were aware of potential conflicts because their lawyers have represented other key figures in the case. Both men were charged alongside Trump with obstructing government efforts to recover classified documents hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, the former president's Florida estate.

Prosecutors have said in court filings that the multiple representations could create a conflict by causing a lawyer to betray the confidences of a current or former client, or “pull punches,” during cross-examination.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-scolds-prosecutors-she-delays-201222422.html

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Delay today to stay out of jail tomorrow.

[VMA131Marine]

1. Someone should be looking into Judge Cannon's finances

Someone is paying her to throw this case.

[Owens]

3. I agree

They should look at the Federalist Society

[mpcamb]

7. Beyond "looking into Judge Cannon's finances" they should look into her phone records.

Who's been talking to her?
Which cases has she discussed?

She's dumb as a rock, so you know she's getting advice about how to monkey wrench things.

[2naSalit]

17. +1

[iluvtennis]

23. +2.

[KS Toronado]

41. +3

[tenderfoot]

26. What's that going to do?

Nothing has been done about Clarence Thomas, why would Cannon have to worry about anything?

[agingdem]

2. so do the prosecutors have enough evidence

of Cannon's bias and incompetence to file a brief with the 11th Circuit of Appeals to have Cannon removed from the case?

[Kid Berwyn]

43. Her actions seem to help prevent defendants flipping.

Judge Aileen Cannon mulls lawyer conflicts in Trump classified documents case

By DAVE GOLDINER
New York Daily News, October 12, 2023

Excerpt…

The two underlings, who are accused of helping Trump cover up his refusal to return the documents, are facing damaging allegations presented by a Mar-a-Lago IT manager and other colleagues, some of whom are or were represented by the same Trump-funded attorneys.

Prosecutors believe they might flip and agree to testify against their boss if they received independent legal advice about the perils of continuing to stick with Trump.

That’s exactly what happened when IT manager Yucsil Taveras was given access to a federal public defender after a similar hearing in a Washington, D.C., court.

He is now a cooperating witness and will avoid prison time by testifying against Trump and the others.

Nauta lawyer Stanley Woodward previously represented Taveras, raising serious questions about whether he could cross-examine his former client when Taveras testifies against his current client.

Continues…

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/10/12/judge-aileen-cannon-mulls-lawyer-conflicts-in-trump-classified-documents-case/

Seems Judge Cannon is obstructing Justice.

[MOMFUDSKI]

4. There is enough out there

that will hang him. Hers may the last case brought to court but it will be brought eventually. Watch and wait. Anger won’t speed things up and it is just not good for any of us.

[Backseat Driver]

5. I just like...

[Botany]

6. She was installed by Trump after he lost the election

.. in that district in to protect him. She is part of the right
wing power grab.

Jack Smith needs to something about her

[2naSalit]

18. +1

[onethatcares]

8. delay, delay delay

I'm just a carpenter but even I can see that.

all of a sudden the prosecutes are wasting the courts time.

[former9thward]

10. The prosecutors are responsible for the delay.

Did you read the OP?

[gab13by13]

19. The judge is responsible for the delay

[former9thward]

35. No.

The prosecutors made a filing asking her to look at other details. She did not file anything.

[SunSeeker]

31. Prosecutors are NOT responsible for the delay.

Did YOU read the OP, former9thward?

Prosecutors had briefed the issue in court filings. As stated in the OP:

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team had asked for hearings to ensure that Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira were aware of potential conflicts because their lawyers have represented other key figures in the case. Both men were charged alongside Trump with obstructing government efforts to recover classified documents hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, the former president's Florida estate.

Prosecutors have said in court filings that the multiple representations could create a conflict by causing a lawyer to betray the confidences of a current or former client, or “pull punches,” during cross-examination.

So when Aileen Loose Cannon said that point "had not been previously argued," she was full of shit. She was trying to deflect blame for the delay SHE was causing. She had been fully briefed, but instead of ruling from the bench like she should have done on Jack Smith’s motion, she continued the hearing.

She is a corrupt Trumplican, appointed by Trump after he lost the election, to make sure his home district federal judge would have his back. And you are repeating her bullshit right wing talking points as if they were gospel, while derisively attaching a DUer. Why?

[Ferrets are Cool]

34. Thank you

[former9thward]

36. Did you read the filing?

I get my information from the district court, not OPs. Unlike you.

[SunSeeker]

38. Did you? Why are you taking Loose Cannon's word for it?

Especially when the OP article, which is the only thing you cite, says Smith’s team did brief the issue.

You are repeating her bullshit right wing talking points as if they were gospel, while derisively attacking a DUer. Why?

[Farmer-Rick]

47. Not really

She could have gone on with the hearing and just ruled against the prosecutor. That's what judges do when they disagree with one party or the other.

But she didn't. She instead yelled at the prosecution, whined and cancelled the hearing like a little drama queen.

She didn't have to cancel the hearing, but she did.

[JohnSJ]

9. If this is a ruling, appeal it

[former9thward]

11. The prosecutors asked for a delay.

They want her to consider more information that they had not raised earlier. I doubt you want that appealed.

[JohnSJ]

13. Ok

[SunSeeker]

32. Prosecutors had briefed the issue. What are you talking about?

She knows appealing will take longer than her delay, so she is playing a game with prosecutors. It is total bullshit.

Prosecutors had briefed the issue in court filings. As stated in the OP:

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team had asked for hearings to ensure that Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira were aware of potential conflicts because their lawyers have represented other key figures in the case. Both men were charged alongside Trump with obstructing government efforts to recover classified documents hoarded at Mar-a-Lago, the former president's Florida estate.

Prosecutors have said in court filings that the multiple representations could create a conflict by causing a lawyer to betray the confidences of a current or former client, or “pull punches,” during cross-examination.

So when Aileen Loose Cannon said that point "had not been previously argued," she was full of shit. She was trying to deflect blame for the delay SHE was causing. She had been fully briefed, but instead of ruling from the bench like she should have done on Jack Smith’s motion, she continued the hearing.

[former9thward]

37. You did not read the filing.

You are reading OPs. Go for it.

[SunSeeker]

39. I read the OP, which is the only thing you cite.

And the OP article states Smith’s team did brief the issue. Yet you go with Loose Cannon's assertions to the contrary, even though she has been repeatedly wrong on the facts and law in this case.

[SunSeeker]

44. And the prosecutors did not ask for a delay. They asked for a hearing. SHE delayed that hearing.

The prosecutors filed briefs seeking a hearing on the defendants' attorneys' conflict of interest, addressing the issue in their briefs, as the OP states. That was so Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira can't later try to blow up their convictions by claiming that, unbeknownst to poor little them, their attorneys had a conflict of interest.

It was Loose Cannon who, even though prosecutors briefed her on the issue, made up some bullshit that it was not "fully" briefed and delayed (continued) the hearing instead of simply ruling from the bench on a very clear and uncontroverted set of facts.

[Farmer-Rick]

48. They asked for a hearing

They could have proceeded with the hearing. The judge could have just ruled against the prosecutor and they could have gone on with the case.

But noooo, she had to yell and whine at the prosecution and cancel the hearing like a little drama queen.

[former9thward]

50. They asked her to consider more information.

If she had done what you suggested then she would have been blasted for ignoring the information submitted by the prosecution. Instead she is looking at it so she canceled the hearing. So no matter what she does she is being attacked by the prosecutors can do no wrong people. Who don't understand anything about court procedure but act like they do on the internet.

[Farmer-Rick]

51. It was information very common in a Garcia Case

It was about the Trump lawyers cross examining their own witnesses. It was not like introducing new evidence or arguments. It was about bedrock issues at the heart of most all Garcia hearings like this.

She didn't know because she doesn't understand the law and decided to yell and whine about very basic issues. Then she can pretend it's the prosecution's fault and delay the hearing for her to play catch. She doesn't know the law. She's hiding it with bluster.

[ffr]

12. Does she take part of her script from the Onion?

I had to re-read the story's first paragraphs to try to determine what crazy angle this was coming from and if it was satire.

Sadly, not!

Someone needs to listen into her phone conversations to determine their origins. This lady is somehow more than 180* off of right.

[machoneman]

14. Jesus H. Christ! When will Smith appeal to her superior court judges to remove her sorry ass?

Man, this is total b.s. Is he waiting for her to declare a mistrial or what? She's determined to free Trump from any and all charges.

[NBachers]

15. What a defectoid - I live for the day when she receives the legal spanking she so richly deserves.

[Kid Berwyn]

40. She is protected by Karl Rove's Alabama GZP chum Chief Judge William Pryor

The same judge who railroaded Gov. Don Siegelman cleared Judge Cannon.



11th Circuit Chief Judge William Pryor found "insufficient evidence" Judge Aileen Cannon tipped the scales in favor of Donald Trump in her "Special Master" ruling. Pryor is the same fellah who led the railroading of Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman.

Judge Dismisses Ethics Complaints Accusing Aileen Cannon of Bias in Trump Special Master Order

Chief Judge William Pryor said the allegations against Cannon lacked sufficient evidence.

Law.com, December 06, 2022

A federal judge dismissed a handful of ethics complaints that were filed against U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon over her handling of former President Donald Trump’s challenge to the seizure of documents from his Mar-a-Lago home.

The complaints filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit accuse Cannon of political bias in her decision to appoint a special master to review the seized documents, and claim she failed to base her order on sound legal reasoning.

SOURCE: https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2022/12/06/judge-dismisses-ethics-complaints-accusing-aileen-cannon-of-bias-in-trump-special-master-order/?slreturn=20230509121927

Ask Gov. Don Siegelman about Chief Judge William Pryor.

FEDERALISTS, BIG TOBACCO AND KARL ROVE: THE TIES THAT BIND

Political consultant Karl Rove helped his good friend, William Pryor, win the office of Alabama Attorney General in 1998. One of the many ties that bind Bill Pryor and Karl Rove was their opposition to Don Siegelman’s stance against Big Tobacco. Pryor and Rove both campaigned for “tort reform” which makes it very difficult to sue large corporations, like Rove’s client Phillip Morris, for injuries like tobacco related health problems.

While at Tulane University School of Law, a politically active Bill Pryor helped found the new conservative/libertarian Federalist Society chapter at Tulane (1984.) The Society was another strong tie for Rove and Pryor in that Bush/Rove selected most of their Judical appointments from the the Federalist Society i.e., Ashcroft, Thomas and Alito.

William Pryor rarely claims his primary accomplishment as Attorney General of Alabama; he was key to the investigation of his boss and Governor, Don Siegelman, behind the scenes becoming, along with Rove and others, an invisible hand guiding Alabama to become a Republican state through the partisan use of the judiciary.

In 2007, Time Magazine Investigations revealed sworn FBI testimony that landfill developer Lanny Young admitted to making sizable illegal donations to Pryor’s campaign for state attorney general. Despite Pryor’s own blatant violations of contribution law, he used his new position as attorney general to initiate a criminal investigation of Siegelman within weeks of Siegelman’s moving into the Governor’s mansion. This required burying the sworn testimony about his own (and fellow Republican’s) significant campaign financing irregularities and zooming in on Siegelman’s lesser irregularities and even inventing crimes to assign to Siegelman.

Pryor, notoriously eager to get a lifetime appointment on the federal bench, was nominated to the Eleventh Circuit by President George W. Bush on April 9, 2003 and after a long struggle overcoming objections to his conservative activism from the bench, he was confirmed and sworn to the bench on June 20, 2005 at the age of 43.

SOURCE: https://donsiegelman.org/portfolio-item/bill-pryor/

Bill Pryor is the turd who defended his clerk's right to be a racist.

https://www.law.com/2021/10/11/eleventh-circuit-chief-judge-isnt-talking-about-new-clerk-mired-in-controversy-over-racist-rant/

[bluestarone]

16. We wait for the hearing date, THEN

It seems like, HERE WE GO AGAIN!! Will this never end?

[gab13by13]

20. Did anyone truly believe this case would go to trial pre-election?

Time matters, especially with Eh-Lean in charge.

[AverageOldGuy]

21. Am I ever shocked and surprised

I mean, who could have guessed that Judge Loose Cannon would do everything she can to admonish the government and grant Trump's delays. At this rate, the trial will not happen until after the 2028 Presidential election.

[Mr. Ected]

22. What arguments did the prosecution present on Thursday that warranted an admonition from the judge?

Jack Smith and Team seem to be some pretty smooth operators, so did they legitimately present arguments in court today that they hadn't properly raised in earlier court filings? Did they err? Was Cannon justified or was this making a mountain out of a molehill for delay's sake?

[ripcord]

27. To most people here that is all irrelevant

[Farmer-Rick]

49. The judge was pissed about not having

Enough info about a legal (newish) question. It's a type of legal issue you would expect to come up in a Garcia hearing about lawyers questioning the witnesses for Trump. I think she couldn't understand the issue because she's such a bad judge and since it wasn't in the filings, she didn't have time to research it.

Then when she questioned the prosecution about it, they hadn't brought legal references about it because they assumed she knew about Garcia hearings. She didn't know, and to save face she yelled at the prosecution (never the defense) and in a snit she cancelled the hearing. That's so she can research the Garcia hearing issue she doesn't understand.

It's how bad judges work. They yell and whine to hide their incompetence.

[Kablooie]

24. This case will certainly be delayed until sometime after the election.

And possibly the election after that.
Judge Cannon is firmly on Trump's side and will do everything she can to make sure he remains free.

[dchill]

25. "...wasting the court's time,"

Irony is undead with a stake through its heart.

[bluestarone]

28. The judge looks for ANY REASON to delay

That's her game plan.

[SouthernDem4ever]

29. Aileen is a JINO

and worthless.

[republianmushroom]

30. Well if you are a billionaire judges do come cheap.

[moniss]

33. She is going to look to create any pretext possible

to grant a motion to dismiss with prejudice for at least some of the indicted/indictments. I don't believe she has the background on how to scheme this by herself and every move, meeting, lunch,dinner, drinks and contacts involving her in any way with anybody need to be scrutinized by the Intel community because national security is at risk.

The idea that the judge who has gone along with delay after delay is now somehow worried about "time" is laughable. Crooked Cannon will be a safe bet to "retire" from the bench once she gets done doing as much damage as possible and collecting a "fee" probably in the form of sweetheart real estate deals.

[KS Toronado]

42. If she's concerned about "conflicts of interest"

she should look into the Supreme Court.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

45. Loose Cannon needs to be removed

[BlueMTexpat]

46. F*ck Aileen Cannon!

She should never have been on the bench!