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Polybius

(15,498 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:14 PM Oct 2023

Tlaib refuses to apologize for blaming Israel for Gaza hospital blast, attacks Biden

Source: ABC News

Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib refused to apologize Wednesday for saying Tuesday that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, an accusation that sparked political backlash against Tlaib from Republicans as Israel denies fault.

Tlaib joined thousands of protesters calling for a ceasefire in Gaza during a solidarity rally hosted by the left-leaning group Jewish Voice for Peace at the National Mall. She was visibly emotional, at times pausing her speech to openly weep and criticizing lawmakers who have not backed a ceasefire resolution.

"As an American, not just as a member of the United States Congress, I am ashamed. I am ashamed that they're saying, 'not yet. Maybe next week.' ... How many more have to die?" Tlaib said.

She also addressed the backlash, applauding attendees for the "courage it's taken to speak up."

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tlaib-refuses-apologize-blaming-israel-gaza-hospital-blast/story?id=104085727

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Tlaib refuses to apologize for blaming Israel for Gaza hospital blast, attacks Biden (Original Post) Polybius Oct 2023 OP
She has nothing to apologize for. walkingman Oct 2023 #1
Umm TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #3
She most certainly does, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #4
She attacked the president on faulty information Sugarcoated Oct 2023 #5
No one was sure who was responsible for the hospital bombing when she walkingman Oct 2023 #6
She seemed pretty sure, and still does. carpetbagger Oct 2023 #7
I agree. True Blue American Oct 2023 #13
She was attacking Biden AFTER US intelligence declared it wasn't an IDF bomb NickB79 Oct 2023 #20
This is why she needs to apologize Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #22
But she attacked the President Sugarcoated Oct 2023 #45
No a big deal - if you are in her district, maybe you should call her office and discuss. walkingman Oct 2023 #46
EXACTLY, Sugarcoated. Cha Oct 2023 #47
No she attacked the president DUE TO HIS faulty information RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #11
Do you have any reason to call Biden's information faulty? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #23
NYT - first said it was Israel, then Hamas and yesterday womanofthehills Oct 2023 #31
Well yes we do know EX500rider Oct 2023 #32
So you are assuming that NYT has better information than Biden, Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #33
Well sure, if Hamas said it is, so it must be true, right? Terrorists never lie! lol EX500rider Oct 2023 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #48
...... MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #49
Yes Tlaib Does Need to Apologize for "making a mockery of the truth" as Vindman states.. Cha Oct 2023 #8
Wow! He spells it out exactly right. Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #35
And, not the first time Cha Oct 2023 #36
She obviously puts a lot of research into it... EX500rider Oct 2023 #41
Whatever.. Tlaib didn't condemn HAMAS either for Cha Oct 2023 #2
Tlaib is wrong on many points. She lost her credibility. Justice Oct 2023 #9
"YOUR war? YOUR destruction?" Disgusting, horrible. betsuni Oct 2023 #14
Exactly what the Trump Right calls UKR; "Biden's war". Such BULLSHIT oldsoftie Oct 2023 #18
Wow.. I hadn't read that.. Tlaib is Threatening Pres Biden?! Cha Oct 2023 #38
And calling it "The Baptist Hospital" The hospital is owned and run by the Anglican Church. EX500rider Oct 2023 #42
Has she condemned the ones that actually did the attack ? JI7 Oct 2023 #10
I don't know RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #12
Destroy what building? betsuni Oct 2023 #15
yeah, comes as a surprise Hamas has the firepower Novara Oct 2023 #16
The hospital is IN Gaza. They were firing from nearby when it happened. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #19
The Gaza terrorist groups sarisataka Oct 2023 #27
Except no building was destroyed NickB79 Oct 2023 #21
What destroyed building? EX500rider Oct 2023 #29
The building was not destroyed TxGuitar Oct 2023 #37
She's a walking GOP advertisement. Ugh. oldsoftie Oct 2023 #17
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #24
"This will end Biden and make him a 1 term president" speak easy Oct 2023 #25
A risky post, Igel Oct 2023 #43
Since tos prevents me from criticizing her as a dem getagrip_already Oct 2023 #26
I'm with you awesomerwb1 Oct 2023 #30
Constructive criticism has always been allowed Polybius Oct 2023 #44
perhaps she remembers weapons of mass destruction dembotoz Oct 2023 #34
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #39
He's Rebl2 Oct 2023 #40

TexasDem69

(1,840 posts)
3. Umm
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:29 PM
Oct 2023

Except her lies that Israel is to blame, and now she’s attacking President Biden for his support of Israel against Hamas terrorists? President Biden is probably thinking with “friends” like this, who needs enemies.

walkingman

(7,671 posts)
6. No one was sure who was responsible for the hospital bombing when she
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:04 PM
Oct 2023

made her statement. At least I didn't think so. I think the Palestinians have legitimate complaints against the Israel occupation and mis-treatment in the West Bank. That is not to say she supports HAMAS.

Just because you don't support Israel's actions over the last 70 years does not make you evil. In fact I think it is an accepted fact that their occupation of the West Bank are illegal.

I personally think Netanyahu is a right-wing extremist. That does not make me anti-semitic.

carpetbagger

(4,392 posts)
7. She seemed pretty sure, and still does.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:27 PM
Oct 2023

I agree with you that there are legitimate grievances. That doesn't mean it's right to blame them for things that aren't true.

There is some uncertainty, and I don't blame Omar for initially coming out as she did and then walking it back when the facts emerge, any more than I blame all the people who came out after Oklahoma City pinning it on Muslims and then walking that back.

True Blue American

(17,992 posts)
13. I agree.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 05:33 AM
Oct 2023

Netanyahu was nervous as a cat when he and Biden spoke This gave him a chance to change the subject from his corruption trying to change the Judicial system to CHA. His instand reaction was to wipe out Gaza, telling people they had to leave and to wipe out a whole population. Blinken and Biden put a stop to that, warning him not to over react.

The only thing Israel people are guilty of is to keep putting him back in office. He is a criminal, just like Trump. He ignored intelligence that warned him.

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
20. She was attacking Biden AFTER US intelligence declared it wasn't an IDF bomb
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:16 AM
Oct 2023

Along with multiple other sources blaming Palestinian Jihad for the hit due to a failed missile launch.

And after video emerged showing that the hospital wasn't even hit, just the parking lot, while she was talking about destroyed buildings.

Beastly Boy

(9,482 posts)
22. This is why she needs to apologize
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:30 AM
Oct 2023

Her statement put the blame squarely on Israel at the time no one was sure.

Most people call this lying.

Sugarcoated

(7,730 posts)
45. But she attacked the President
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 02:01 PM
Oct 2023

and now she knows it was false information. If she does not apologize, in my eyes, she's as disengenuous and dishonest as a Republican. No integrity. I will no longer support her.

walkingman

(7,671 posts)
46. No a big deal - if you are in her district, maybe you should call her office and discuss.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:14 PM
Oct 2023

Otherwise she is just expressing her frustration which I can understand.

As far as objective truth on anything government related - I question it. Especially knowing how many false statements that have been previously made by our intelligence agencies - example - Iraq and Vietnam and who knows how many more.

There are no winners in war and I am quite sure this will be the case also.

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
11. No she attacked the president DUE TO HIS faulty information
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:47 AM
Oct 2023

Biden will eventually apologize for his behavior when the truth comes out.

womanofthehills

(8,780 posts)
31. NYT - first said it was Israel, then Hamas and yesterday
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 11:31 AM
Oct 2023

No one really knows. UN said no one knows till we can get in there.

EX500rider

(10,874 posts)
32. Well yes we do know
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:48 PM
Oct 2023

Pictures of the site show such a small crater that there is no way IDF air dropped ordnance caused it. A actual 500lb or bigger bomb would have blown all those cars over and away and left a 5 to 10 foot wide crater at least 5ft deep. Instead we have a small indent in the asphalt and some fire damage from the Islamic Jihad rocket that malfunctioned, which about 30% of them do.

BBC quotes from the hospital strike:

Another doctor told the BBC that 80% of the hospital had been taken out of service and estimated that 1,000 people had been killed or injured.
The health ministry in Gaza said 500 people had been killed and hundreds more were feared trapped under the rubble.


What rubble? What damage to the hospital, a few blown out windows? And I really doubt 1,000 people were crammed into that parking lot & I really doubt Hamas managed to cart away 500 bodies that fast and then cleaned up all the blood stains.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67140250

The crater is that little tiny thing to the left of the guy in blue

Beastly Boy

(9,482 posts)
33. So you are assuming that NYT has better information than Biden,
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 01:03 PM
Oct 2023

then illustrating that NY Times doesn't seem to know what they are talking about, and on that basis you are backing the notion that Biden will have to apologize for saying HIS evidence points to Hamas?

Got it.

EX500rider

(10,874 posts)
28. Well sure, if Hamas said it is, so it must be true, right? Terrorists never lie! lol
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 10:52 AM
Oct 2023

Taking the word of Hamas over Biden, quite the choice there.

Response to RocRizzo55 (Reply #11)

Oopsie Daisy

(2,684 posts)
35. Wow! He spells it out exactly right.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:03 PM
Oct 2023

Does she think that her lies and smears actually help anything? Does she believe that it accomplishes anything good?

Why would she be so willing to discredit and harm Democrats?

This shows very poor judgement. It's impulsive.

Cha

(297,756 posts)
36. And, not the first time
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:19 PM
Oct 2023

but perhaps the worst. IIt's a pattern , imo.

She obviously feels safe in her district and can say anything she wants to in that respect.

I'm grateful so many people are calling her out on it, though.


EX500rider

(10,874 posts)
41. She obviously puts a lot of research into it...
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:49 PM
Oct 2023

...calling the Al-Ahli hospital run by the Anglican Church the "The Baptist Hospital"

I am sure the Anglican's love that, lol

Cha

(297,756 posts)
2. Whatever.. Tlaib didn't condemn HAMAS either for
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:26 PM
Oct 2023

Butchering Jewish Babis, children women and men.

Israil didn't bomb that hospital but HAMAS was quick to Blame them and of course there are those who believe the GD BUTCHERS of HAMAS.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
9. Tlaib is wrong on many points. She lost her credibility.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 01:53 AM
Oct 2023

Tlaib tweet broken down:

A. "Israel just bombed the Baptist Hospital killing 500 Palestinians (doctors, children, patients) just like that."

At best, this statement is in dispute. At the time Tlaib sent her tweet, she accepted the Palestine statements on the bomber, and the number of casualties. As a member of Congress, she was wrong to just accept the statement without waiting for more information on who bombed the hospital and the number of casualties.

Last Saturday, did Tlaib tweet the equivalent about the Hamas attack? Or did she wait to hear what happened and who was to blame?

B. "@POTUS this is what happens when you refuse to facilitate a ceasefire & help de-escalate."

On what planet is Tlaib on? Biden has done nothing but work to try to keep the situation from escalating. Fundamentally dishonest.

C. "Your war and destruction only approach has opened my eyes and many Palestinian Americans and Muslims Americans like me. We will remember where you stood."

YOUR war? YOUR destruction? That's just gross. Disgusting.

Cha

(297,756 posts)
38. Wow.. I hadn't read that.. Tlaib is Threatening Pres Biden?!
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 07:29 PM
Oct 2023

So who are they going to vote for.. the Traitor or RF KJR?

Talk to HAMAS, Tlaib.. It's Their WAR!! Which you Never CONDEMED The Butchering of Jewish BABIES, CHILDREN, WOMEN and

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
12. I don't know
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:50 AM
Oct 2023

Has she condemned the IDF? They are the only ones in the area with the firepower to destroy a building like that,

Novara

(5,852 posts)
16. yeah, comes as a surprise Hamas has the firepower
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 06:58 AM
Oct 2023

Didn't think their arsenal contained munitions that could reach that far.

oldsoftie

(12,619 posts)
19. The hospital is IN Gaza. They were firing from nearby when it happened.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 07:32 AM
Oct 2023

The missile didnt have to travel far at all. And its well known that in EVERY attack on Israel, many of their rockets/missiles will fall short into Gaza. Because their weapons are shit.

sarisataka

(18,788 posts)
27. The Gaza terrorist groups
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 10:46 AM
Oct 2023

Hamas and Islamic Jihad have been supplied the M302 rocket by Iran. It has a 200 km range and can reach all but the extreme northern and southern ends of Israel.

They are working on the Ayyash250 which will have and estimated range of 250 km and cover all of Israel. It does not yet appear they have used this rocket.

The Qassam rocket, the most common rocket, has a 12 km range. If it was indeed Islamic Jihad, the most likely rocket would be the Iranian Fajr 3 or locally produced S-40, both having 40-45 km range.

The distance from the launch point to the parking lot was no more than 500m.

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
21. Except no building was destroyed
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 08:19 AM
Oct 2023

There is video from the morning after, after all.

The Palestinian Jihad rocket hit the parking lot.

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Igel

(35,359 posts)
43. A risky post,
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 09:40 PM
Oct 2023

but if Tlaib posted her tweet here she'd very likely be in danger of being banned for attacking a (D) elected representative.

I think she's not following the evidence. But if there are evil people and good people, and something evil happens, who d'ya blame? Oh, wait--the evil people.

Esp. when your d$/dt depends on the "good people"--those like yourself (that has a wide range of ambiguity, by the way).

(I wondered for a long time if "Tlaib" < "Talib" and it almost certainly doesn't. It almost certainly is a diminutive and that little wiggle room is *not* an excuse for saying, 'Ah, so it can easily mean ..." because it *cannot* "easily" come from 'طالب' which I was when I was in 1st yr Arabic. "Tlaib" whatever it's Anglicized or colloquial Arabic pronunciation is still obviously a diminutive = 'a little ___" like 'Kuwait' is a diminutive. 'Kuwait' < "camp". In Tlaib's case, 'tlaib' < طلب "to request, demand and = طلب صغير". Know little to know Arabic? Great! It's a human language. Human up! it's got a small abjab, smaller than English's alphabet, and basic 3-month grammar is enough for this post.)

getagrip_already

(14,860 posts)
26. Since tos prevents me from criticizing her as a dem
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 10:06 AM
Oct 2023

I will only say I hope another dem takes her seat soon and permanently.

Polybius

(15,498 posts)
44. Constructive criticism has always been allowed
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 01:13 PM
Oct 2023

Such as "I disagree with her, she's putting too much blame on Israel and none on Hamas."

dembotoz

(16,851 posts)
34. perhaps she remembers weapons of mass destruction
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 01:37 PM
Oct 2023

bet colin powell wishes he could take those words back

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
39. +100. nt
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 07:38 PM
Oct 2023

That was then, this is now.

She is spreading false and inflammatory info. She really needs to knock it off and apologize for her bullshit.

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