BREAKING: Maine shooter has been found dead

[eppur_se_muova]

Source: MSNBC

Just announced on Alex Wagner's show.

Shooting suspect is dead, law enforcement officials say

Jonathan Dienst, Andrew Blankstein, Tom Winter and Phil Helsel

A former Army reservist suspected of killing 18 people in mass shootings in Lewiston, Maine, has been found dead, four senior law enforcement officials tell NBC News.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/lewiston-maine-massacre-manhunt-suspect-rcna122436#rcrd23582

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Body has been discovered in the woods. LE is confident it is the suspect. Listening to details now. Expect press conference on the hour.

Eight witnesses now confirming.

Found in the woods near a recycling plant where he apparently had recently held a job.

Apparently self-inflicted.

A relief for the public, but a tragedy for his family.

Shooting suspect is dead, law enforcement officials say

Jonathan Dienst, Andrew Blankstein, Tom Winter and Phil Helsel

A former Army reservist suspected of killing 18 people in mass shootings in Lewiston, Maine, has been found dead, four senior law enforcement officials tell NBC News.

[JohnSJ]

1. Good

[thenelm1]

16. If he wanted to end himself, why involve the other 18+ victims in his madness?

That's a question I always ask myself when such insanity ends this way. Not sure there is an answer, but good lord, "Blaze of glory" just doesn't cut it.

[sanatanadharma]

23. It is not simply the escape of self-destruction, there is also ...

It is not simply the escape self-destruction, there is also the active desire to kill and destroy, to experience the hunt, to salve the blood lust.
The desire to see others die is a BIG part of it. That and the desire to satisfy, bring to term, the manifest destiny of the gun It is not a hammer! It is not logical.

[calimary]

38. Well said!

[csziggy]

34. I wonder if he had a physical problem that caused his actions

Like the University of Texas tower sniper, Charles Whitman.

Although Whitman's autopsy revealed a pecan-sized tumor in the white matter above his amygdala, the tumor was not connected to any sensory nerves. Nonetheless, some experts believe this tumor may have contributed to the violent impulses which Whitman had been exhibiting for several years prior to the massacre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

On August 2, an autopsy was conducted by Coleman de Chenar (a neuropathologist at Austin State Hospital) at the funeral home. Urine and blood were removed to test for traces of amphetamines or other substances.[59][60] During the autopsy, Chenar discovered a "pecan-sized" brain tumor,[61] which he labeled an astrocytoma with a small amount of necrosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Autopsy

[bucolic_frolic]

35. The brains of these shooters are different

Their gun humping goes awry. They generalize their grievances upon others and don't care who they kill. They surely have no empathy and have lost the concepts of humanity and morality.

[Dulcinea]

32. I knew this asswipe would never be taken alive.

He'd either kill himself or law enforcement would. Peace and condolences to all affected by this senseless tragedy.

[SoFlaBro]

2. Hip hip!! Hoo-ray! Another fucking scumbag takes a piss-soaked dirt nap! God hit PAY DIRT!

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[ShazzieB]

25. Correction: A very sick man whose illness caused him to inflict tragedy and loss on many others has died by his own hand

What he did was horrible, but he was sick, not evil. We (those who have been following the news coverage) have all been made thoroughly aware of his mental illness. It pains me to see this kind of insensitivity here on this board.

His family, who have been cooperating with and assisting the police every step of the way are suffering a deep personal loss just like the families of his victims (plus they have to deal with the secondhand guilt of knowing what their loved one did). They deserve our consideration, along with everyone else in the communities that were directly affected by this.

I suppose it's more fun to call him a dirtbag and celebrate his death, but it's also childish and immature.

[KS Toronado]

27. +1

[LisaM]

30. Well put.

I agree with you.

[NNadir]

31. Being sick does not preclude one from being evil.

Much of the evil in history has been perpetrated by people who were ill.

[murielm99]

33. Thank you for that.

I have known people with personality disorders who are evil. They inflict a great deal of pain and heartbreak on those around them.

[hadEnuf]

40. Another screwball MAGAT purposely and willfully poisoned by toxic RW propaganda.

The pattern is the same with these murderous bastards every single time and the people behind the curtains pulling their strings are the same as well.
Another bunch of innocent people murdered in cold blood is the only tragedy here.

[Justice matters.]

44. Yep. And the MAGAt billionaire and multimillionaire repugnants are all happy with that.

And they sure want more as they have absolutely no intention of ever doing anything about that as it's fully a big part of their plan to install an authoritarian theocratic despot like their disgusting buffoon and his idiotic offspring for President of the United States turned into King(s).

Their hate of all social programs and their love for no taxes at all (for them only) is still their goal.

[niyad]

3. if true, too bad he did not do this Wednesday morning.

[BigmanPigman]

4. He should had suffered the rest of his life in jail.

He took the coward's way out. At least people in the area can feel safer.

[Skittles]

6. please stop saying it is cowards who commit suicide

my dad killed himself, he wasn't a coward - he suffered greatly

[milestogo]

9. ...

[Deuxcents]

10. My sincere condolences 🌺

[BigmanPigman]

12. I do not disrespect suicide.

I disrespect someone in his situation committing suicide.

People who kill themselves go through fucking hell and it is the most difficult decision to make and carry out. I know first hand. In fact that is why I can say he took the cowardly way out. He is pure evil and I am glad he is gone. Most people who commit suicide are NOT in this guy's shoes. They are suffering mentally and/or physically and sometimes it is the only way to have peace. I am very supportive of the decision to kill yourself. It is a personal choice and it the most difficult decision a person could ever have to make. I plan on doing it if my health sucks so much I can't take it anymore. Sometimes it is for the best for the individual who is suffering. You can not realize how difficult it really is unless you walk in their shoes.

He is a "coward" in my opinion since he is a mass murderer and should have had to pay for his crimes, unlike the vast majority of people who decide to take this step. I am sorry if I offended you, especially since I am very, very aware of suicide in the general population and I have 100% empathy.

[Skittles]

19. the man had documented mental health issues

and had access to as many weapons as he wanted

the COWARDS are the repukes who allow these situations to happen

END OF STORY

[BigmanPigman]

22. I just heard the new speaker/coward

and he was talking about "prayers". Nothing in this country is going to change in my lifetime. I really do believe that. People keep voting these assholes into elected office yet 86% want this shit to stop. Americans make zero sense to me. Why do they say one thing yet vote 100% differently?!?

Also, ....
"Trends Over Time
The firearm suicide epidemic has been growing, with the firearm suicide rate increasing 12.5% over the last decade (2010-2019). 2019 showed a slight reprieve, with the rate dropping by 2.84% from 2018. Still, 23,941 Americans died by firearm suicide in 2019, capping a decade during which more than 200,000 people were lost to firearm suicide."

https://preventfirearmsuicide.efsgv.org/about-firearm-suicide/statistics/#:~:text=Firearms%20are%20used%20in%20half,suicide%20attempts%20result%20in%20death.&text=Every%20day%2C%2064%20Americans%20die,suicide%20%E2%80%94%20one%20every%2022%20minutes.

[Skittles]

24. agreed

these people call themselves CHRISTIAN and PRO-LIFE but don't care about regular mass slaughters, even if it is children

"thoughts and prayers" is code for WE WILL DO NOTHING

[BlueKota]

28. They should change pro-life to pro-birth

They stop caring once the mother delivers.

[calimary]

39. The prayer thing. Easy avoidance disguised - by some - as caring.

Prayer - I’m sorry. I just don’t see how that helps much, in this case, except maybe an attempt at finding some comfort or consolation. But some imperious new-power-position man says the solution is praying.

Not here, though.

The solution is to GET RID OF THE DAMN GUNS!!!

I heard lots of coverage of the mental illness escape clause. It was widely pointed out that in other countries there’s mental illness too. But nobody in those other countries deals with it by grabbing a hand-held massacre machine and mowing down a lot of innocent people with it. I kept hearing the comment “only in America.” And “uniquely American.” And the only differential on earth was guns. Guns HERE IN AMERICA. Guns so easy to get and available all over everywhere and hey, you can build your own arsenal if you want to. Be your own fucking Pentagon if you want to.

I lost two friends because there was a gun in their house within east reach when an argument grew too heated. I’m still sad about it. And hurt. And angry. And angry because the most effective solution, the best preventive action, is the one we repeatedly refuse to take.

It’s the goddamn GUNS.

Dammit.

If I could, I’d take every last goddamn one of ‘em away. ALL the guns. AWAY.

[ShazzieB]

26. From what we know, thia man was suffering greatly.

If you don't think someone who was mentally ill enough to commit a mass shooting and then kill himself went though "fucking hell" by the time he got to that point, you are greatly mistaken.

It's not fair to label someone who was obviously seriously mentally ill as "evil" and a "coward." As I said in a reply to someone else, I am very disturbed to see this kind of insensitivity here at DU.

[dickthegrouch]

46. What about his insensitivity to his victims?

Was any one of the victims in any way involved in his pain?
The hospital that released him has some culpability, so does the murderers family and friends.
Not a single one of the victims needed or should have died. How is that so hard to understand?

[MuseRider]

42. Thank you.

[murielm99]

43. I am sorry.

[Traildogbob]

5. An endless trail

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Of dead bodies in the wake of Fox, Bannon, Jones and right wing hate to gain power. Even the ones they convince to kill innocents, yet those mouths plow on with their sick hate and lies, in the name of God.

[StarryNite]

7. Yay!!!

He should have done it before he killed other people.

[msongs]

8. great now the macho men can get to blasting the brains out of deer nt

[Skittles]

47. omg, the cowards who POSE for pictures with their kill

like it's some kind of honor to have killed an animal from a distance.....UGH

[MyMission]

11. CNN on line reported it a few minutes ago

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html#h_94b38061782261859bc51e974e900574

I'm relieved he took his own life, isn't a threat to anyone now.
Agree with an earlier comment, too bad he didn't blow his brains out instead of killing and wounding anyone.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. BREAKING: Suspected Maine shooter found dead, law enforcement sources tell NBC News - Alex Wagner - MSNBC

Suspected Maine shooter Robert Card has been found dead, four law enforcement sources told NBC News. A massive search has been underway for the suspect in and around Lewiston, Maine, after 18 people were killed Wednesday night. - Aired on 10/27/2023.

[COL Mustard]

14. If you're inclined to perpetrate mass shootings

Start with yourself.

[DemocraticPatriot]

15. Good. Glad he can't hurt anyone else... and didn't.

The whole state of Maine must be giving a great big sigh of relief over this.

[The Grand Illuminist]

17. We have the American worker, the American soldier

Now we have the American suicide bomber aka mass shooter.

[chouchou]

18. Lots of mentally scared people and lots of weapons.

It's no wonder we have to cry every few days.

[Emile]

20. Glad that's over!

[PurgedVoter]

21. this story is pure sorrow.

Tragedy all of it. So much for the well regulated militia.

[Kennah]

29. NRA says it takes a good guy with a gun

Guess they think there are no good guys with guns in Maine

[twodogsbarking]

36. This isn't the big one. It will come.

[IronLionZion]

37. I wish mass shooters would just kill themselves first

and leave everyone else out of it

[Fla Dem]

41. Good.

[Martin68]

45. After the crimes he committed, I imagine it is a relief for the family as well.

It would be if he was related to me. I hope the case forces the GOP to back common sense red flag laws.