Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump's 2025 Immigration Plans

[mahatmakanejeeves]

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Source: New York Times

Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump's 2025 Immigration Plans

If he regains power, Donald Trump wants not only to revive some of the immigration policies criticized as draconian during his presidency, but expand and toughen them.

By Charlie Savage, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan
Nov. 11, 2023

Former President Donald J. Trump is planning an extreme expansion of his first-term crackdown on immigration if he returns to power in 2025 -- including preparing to round up undocumented people already in the United States on a vast scale and detain them in sprawling camps while they wait to be expelled. ... The plans would sharply restrict both legal and illegal immigration in a multitude of ways. ... Mr. Trump wants to revive his first-term border policies, including banning entry by people from certain Muslim-majority nations and reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims -- though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis. ... He plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year.

To help speed mass deportations, Mr. Trump is preparing an enormous expansion of a form of removal that does not require due process hearings. To help Immigration and Customs Enforcement carry out sweeping raids, he plans to reassign other federal agents and deputize local police officers and National Guard soldiers voluntarily contributed by Republican-run states.

To ease the strain on ICE detention facilities, Mr. Trump wants to build huge camps to detain people while their cases are processed and they await deportation flights. And to get around any refusal by Congress to appropriate the necessary funds, Mr. Trump would redirect money in the military budget, as he did in his first term to spend more on a border wall than Congress had authorized.



"Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown," said Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump's former White House aide who was the chief architect of his border control efforts. Cooper Neill for The New York Times

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All of the steps Trump advisers are preparing, Mr. Miller contended in a wide-ranging interview, rely on existing statutes; while the Trump team would likely seek a revamp of immigration laws, the plan was crafted to need no new substantive legislation. And while acknowledging that lawsuits would arise to challenge nearly every one of them, he portrayed the Trump team's daunting array of tactics as a "blitz" designed to overwhelm immigrant-rights lawyers. {snip} While a law known as the Posse Comitatus Act generally forbids the use of the armed forces for law enforcement purposes, another law called the Insurrection Act creates an exception. Mr. Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act at the border, enabling the use of federal troops to apprehend migrants, Mr. Miller said. ... “Bottom line,” he said, “President Trump will do whatever it takes.”

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Zolan Kanno-Youngs and Eileen Sullivan contributed reporting. Kitty Bennett contributed research.

Charlie Savage writes about national security and legal policy. He has been a journalist for more than two decades. More about Charlie Savage

Maggie Haberman is a senior political correspondent and the author of “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America.” She was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for reporting on President Trump’s advisers and their connections to Russia. More about Maggie Haberman

Jonathan Swan is a political reporter who focuses on campaigns and Congress. As a reporter for Axios, he won an Emmy Award for his 2020 interview of then-President Donald J. Trump, and the White House Correspondents’ Association’s Aldo Beckman Award for “overall excellence in White House coverage” in 2022. More about Jonathan Swan

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/politics/trump-2025-immigration-agenda.html

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"Blitz," you say. What an unusual choice of words. Or maybe it's not unusual at all.

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Hat tip, Joe.MyGod.

NYT: Trump Is Planning To Summarily Deport Millions
November 11, 2023

https://www.joemygod.com/2023/11/nyt-trump-is-planning-to-summarily-deport-millions/

[bucolic_frolic]

1. They're all hiding on Conservative estates doing manual labor for cash

Just so they know where to look.

[Freethinker65]

2. Good luck finding enough agricultural workers, day laborers, hospitality workers, domestic help, etc.

Businesses are already complaining about not enough workers.

[NickB79]

5. We'll see food shortages at the stores

Won't that be a bitch.

[underpants]

7. He could rent them back out on the cheap

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We both know that literally anything would be possible if this nightmare happens.

[not fooled]

10. And find them permanent homes, in return for lifelong labor!

Oh, wait, we used to have that in the U.S. Bet the GQPee wants to bring it back!

After all, I've had dumbass rednecks tell me that 1. Slavery is in the Bible, so A-OK with god 2. Some races are just meant to be enslaved.

[underpants]

11. 2-4% of Social Security is funded by undocumented labor

That’s revenue in. They typically never collect either. The less eyeballs on their name with whatever tax number they have the better.

Maybe that’s part of the GQP master plan....naw it’s just racist pandering.

[DENVERPOPS]

15. Good call out Freethinker

I would love to see a Green Card Checkpoint established at every gated community across the U.S. But especially in locations like West Palm, etc.........LOL Landscapers, gardeners, nannies, cleaning ladies, cooks, laundry/ironing ladies, construction workers, maintenance people. They love to employ the people they say they despise........The Epitome of Hypocrisy.......

Any un-documented worker caught would be hurried away to one of Trump's businesses for his business/personal employment.

BTW: Did anyone ever hear the outcome of the FBI raid that was pulled on one of his golf courses early on in his occupation of the White House.......You know, the one where they found countless blank SSI Cards and a printing press??????? And also, Trump EXPANDING the number of workers that were allowed admittance with those HB? whatever Visas so he could import even more workers to work in his businesses.....

Wouldn't it be super, if there was an ICE/FBI raid on every business Trump owns in the U.S.? A un-announced raid, mid morning, all at the same exact time??????????

[doc03]

4. Hiding your head in the sand and ignoring the border problem

doesn't help either. We do have a problem.

[underpants]

6. (Narrator) ...but Miller's plan didn't account for a spirited group of high schoolers in Colorado

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Seriously, internment camps? That’s the plan? I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump didn’t make some money rent them out to industry you to “get some work out of them”.

“American carnage” as Trump said, and Miller surely wrote, in his (hopefully) only inaugural speech.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

8. And once deportations are complete, he can put the camps to other uses.

[FailureToCommunicate]

9. Reason number one zillion forty five NOT to vote for that despot in 2024.

[Novara]

12. If P01135809 gets his tiny hands on power he'll make Hitler look like an amateur

I somehow doubt deportations will be acceptable enough. Once immigrants try to resist or run from forceful capture, they'll just mow them down with assault rifles and call it justified.

[republianmushroom]

13. If the DoJ hadn't dragged their feet he would already be in prison. IMO

[Mr.Bill]

14. I'm not saying we should ignore these threats,

but Trump is a pile of walking bullshit. He also said in 2016 that on day one of his term he would deport every illegal alien in the USA. Just one of many logistically impossible promises he made for day one. He was also going to have, waiting on his desk to sign, a new health care plan way better and cheaper than the Affordable Health Care bill from the Obama administration.

Walking. Talking. Bullshit.

[hildegaard28]

16. A "blitz"

to overwhelm immigration lawyers. Hmmmm...almost like a blitzkrieg. Where have we heard that before?

[PatrickforB]

17. He's thinking of doing all this while at the same time we are in a structurally scarce labor market.

Our native population has not been growing fast enough for some time to supply workers for all the new jobs being created through economic growth.

In 1990 foreign born workers made up 9% of the US labor force. In 2023 this has grown to over 23%. At this point nearly one in four US workers is foreign born, and the country had over 3.7 million unfilled jobs in September 2023.

The Republican party cannot call itself the party of business with this kind of economically destructive (not to mention immoral) immigration policy. To remain competitive, we need a more business-friendly immigration policy.

Because if you take Trump's plans to their logical conclusion, he will have to form slave labor camps and rent out these detainees to American corporations. And, hey, since shareholder profits are held above everything else, including human life itself, many CEOs who lead publicly traded companies would take him up on it.

Gee, you ever wonder why the corporate-owned media NEVER reports stuff like this?

[Coventina]

23. The labor shortage will be filled by the privately-owned prison population.

There!

Problem solved!!!

[JoseBalow]

18. Fascists concentrating undesirables into camps? What could go wrong?

[CANADIANBEAVER69]

19. The Running Man

With his TV background, it's all becoming more clear where this could end up. AI/deep fake will make it easy to show an opponent doing something awful, which the easily convinced base will believe.

Just another "out there" possibility I suppose.

[Evolve Dammit]

20. Talk about "weaponization"??? The Revenge tour will be about dictatorial destruction of USA.

[LudwigPastorius]

21. We've got Trump vowing to invoke the Insurrection Act on his first day back in the White House,...

deploying the military in the streets to deal with protestors.

...his Department of Justice going after political opponents, and now promising mass round ups and concentration camps.

If this motherfucker isn't convicted and jailed for his previous crimes, this country will get deserve what it gets.

[dembotoz]

22. happy i am very white....cops would have to be both blind and stupid to think i am hispanic

you think driving while black is bad......

[Firestorm49]

24. A few months ago , a DU post discussed

large plots of land being obtained in Mississippi with no clear explanation as to why. The buyers have been silent and nobody seemed to want to discuss it further.

The plans that I’m reading about now are down right frightful. First immigrants, then gays, then Jews, then the old and crippled.

This whole thing stinks of Nazi Germany all over again. Somebody need to stop this threat.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. Blitz? Yeah. Blitzkrieg. That's what they mean. /nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. TFG will arrest anyone who criticizes or threatens him politicly

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. The Lincoln Project just released a video of the threat of TFG destroying our democratic form of government

Link to tweet

[sinkingfeeling]

28. Stephen Miller and TFG are just human sh*t.

[JackCoop]

29. Thank You For Posting This

Kicked and Recommended

[GP6971]

30. Locking per Host Consensus.

Speculation at this point. Better suited for GD.