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Well, let's see if anyone else has the guts to pull ads. grumpyduck Nov 2023 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #4
Tim was busy moniss Nov 2023 #12
Tim 🍎 Apple. rubbersole Nov 2023 #15
🤣 ShazzieB Nov 2023 #16
Apple didnt build the human trafficking calculators that made the holocaust possible. Volaris Nov 2023 #18
I think hundreds of companies already have. CaptainTruth Nov 2023 #13
Makes me proud of the company where I worked for 34 years. MLAA Nov 2023 #2
Well, after they set up the Nazi system to register all the Jews for murder... hedda_foil Nov 2023 #3
OMG. This I did not know. I've just been reading about it since reading your post. MLAA Nov 2023 #5
I support IBM's decision, but recognize their ugly past. usonian Nov 2023 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #7
So is Stalinist Russia/USSR. But still evil. erronis Nov 2023 #20
Beat me to it. Sailingdiver Nov 2023 #9
Way back in the day moniss Nov 2023 #19
Hate to be argumentative, but couldn't the same be said about the printing press erronis Nov 2023 #22
Again, why are my tax dollars supporting his NASA and TESLA programs which are under contract..... turbinetree Nov 2023 #8
Space-X is having worker safety issues because they're cutting corners..... groundloop Nov 2023 #10
Sorry to hear any of these companies are still advertising on X, what the hell did they Bev54 Nov 2023 #11
IBM wants to separate itself from its Nazi business past. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #14
How far is a reasonable distance BaronChocula Nov 2023 #17
Thank you for moniss Nov 2023 #21

grumpyduck

(6,662 posts)
1. Well, let's see if anyone else has the guts to pull ads.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:03 PM
Nov 2023

Response to grumpyduck (Reply #1)

moniss

(7,495 posts)
12. Tim was busy
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:15 PM
Nov 2023

staring in the mirror and saying to himself "I am too just as big a genius as Steve Jobs. I am. I really am. I really, really am."

rubbersole

(9,921 posts)
15. Tim 🍎 Apple.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:24 PM
Nov 2023

ShazzieB

(20,906 posts)
16. 🤣
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:34 PM
Nov 2023

Volaris

(10,893 posts)
18. Apple didnt build the human trafficking calculators that made the holocaust possible.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:51 PM
Nov 2023

I understand why specifically IBM would raise hell about this...

CaptainTruth

(7,702 posts)
13. I think hundreds of companies already have.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:18 PM
Nov 2023

My Twitter feed used to be full of ads from major companies like Dodge, Ford, Chevy (I mainly noted the automotive ones, I'm a car guy) & other major big companies.

For the last year+ I haven't seen any of those ads. About 90% of the ads i see are from small companies I've never heard of doing things like selling novelty T-shirts.

Based on that observation, I think hundreds of companies, & the biggest ones at that, pulled their ads from Twitter some time ago.

MLAA

(19,294 posts)
2. Makes me proud of the company where I worked for 34 years.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:03 PM
Nov 2023

hedda_foil

(16,749 posts)
3. Well, after they set up the Nazi system to register all the Jews for murder...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:04 PM
Nov 2023

I suppose this is the least they could do.

MLAA

(19,294 posts)
5. OMG. This I did not know. I've just been reading about it since reading your post.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:10 PM
Nov 2023

Thank you for posting.

usonian

(18,370 posts)
6. I support IBM's decision, but recognize their ugly past.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:17 PM
Nov 2023

IBM, under Thomas Watson helped the nazis exterminate Jews in WWII.

DISCLAIMER: This is historical, in order to show that technology can be used for good or evil. IT'S A CHOICE. Many people choose poorly.

In this week's decision, IBM CHOSE WISELY. And I urge all companies to avoid the hate-filled cesspool that is X/Twitter.


This card-sorting machine is in the Holocaust Museum.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/ibm-nazis-ww2

It’s a disgrace to history to ignore the power that technology has in facilitating acts of evil — and IBM’s work with the Nazis serves as a prime example of that facilitation.

Beyond questions of morality, the Holocaust presented a number of logistical hurdles to the Nazis, and IBM offered them a perfectly legal solution. Indeed, during the mid-20th century, the software company’s punched-card technology helped the Nazis carry out the genocide of millions.


https://www.jns.org/spotlight/ibm-and-the-holocaust-twenty-years-of-corporate-denial/
‘IBM and the Holocaust’: Twenty Years of Corporate Denial

Twenty years ago, IBM and the Holocaust exposed with crystal clarity—backed up with a literal tower of physical documentation—that IBM knowingly organized all six phases of the Holocaust: identification, exclusion, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination, all under the micromanagement of its celebrated CEO, Thomas J. Watson, Sr., operating from his New York office on Madison Avenue, and later through European subsidiaries.

Custom IBM programs controlled the census and registration processes, organized the pauperization, and ensured that the trains ran on time. There was an IBM customer site—the Hollerith Abteilung—in almost every concentration camp—some with tabulating machines and some with card organizers. IBM even engineered Germany’s odious extermination-by-labor campaign, where skills were matched to slave labor needs, and Jews were called up to be worked to death. IBM’s code for a Jewish inmate was “6” and its code for gas chamber was “8.” The evidence indelibly proves that IBM was an indispensable and pivotal partner in the greatest crime in history: The Holocaust. But to IBM, it was just another business project

Response to usonian (Reply #6)

erronis

(20,156 posts)
20. So is Stalinist Russia/USSR. But still evil.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:53 PM
Nov 2023

Sailingdiver

(250 posts)
9. Beat me to it.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:54 PM
Nov 2023

moniss

(7,495 posts)
19. Way back in the day
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:51 PM
Nov 2023

I took college courses that began to try to deal with the issues presented by science and technology. We explored the concept that there is absolutely such a thing as "dangerous knowledge" in that despite what would appear to be the benign nature of the existence of the knowledge mankind would perhaps not be able to refrain from using it for great evil or possibly even the destruction of mankind.

We explored things like what might have happened if the Japanese hadn't surrendered? Would we have kept dropping nuclear bombs? If we did what then? How much could that have encouraged/discouraged use by other nations in conflicts? There were things we explored in biology, psychology etc. as well. Our profs told us up front at the beginning of the class that there were no quizzes or tests. The only thing required of us would be at the end of the semester to write a paper, length to be optional, of what we thought of what we experienced by having taken the course and what we felt we had learned and to take with us. No grade just simply a pass/fail based on a paper that could be as short as a sentence or so.

I was heartened that most of the people in the class actually did put in serious reflection and wrote multi-page papers explaining their answers to these questions and why they felt that way or how they came to those conclusions. Almost universally the papers identified the need for people in STEM fields to always consider the human impacts of what people in STEM professions do and to always consider as many scenarios as possible on all sides the good and the bad of people in society making use of this "knowledge" we were developing.

I look now at AI as possibly the most dangerous thing we have done since the nuclear bomb. AI and deep fake capability has the capacity to erase that which is true, replace it with the false while claiming to be the truth and then reinforce that claim by dominating to the point of exclusion all information/communication to the contrary and means/mediums. It is vital to ask questions and be wary of those who assure us it is "only a tool".

erronis

(20,156 posts)
22. Hate to be argumentative, but couldn't the same be said about the printing press
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:54 PM
Nov 2023

or just writing in general?

Lies and manipulation are also spread by word-of-mouth.

turbinetree

(26,226 posts)
8. Again, why are my tax dollars supporting his NASA and TESLA programs which are under contract.....
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:26 PM
Nov 2023

you know like Space X, FALCON 9 maybe its time to revist those "government contracts" because since 2003......

https://qz.com/elon-musks-spacex-and-tesla-get-far-more-government-mon-1850332884

groundloop

(13,049 posts)
10. Space-X is having worker safety issues because they're cutting corners.....
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:57 PM
Nov 2023

Bev54

(12,532 posts)
11. Sorry to hear any of these companies are still advertising on X, what the hell did they
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:09 PM
Nov 2023

expect was going to happen.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
14. IBM wants to separate itself from its Nazi business past.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:23 PM
Nov 2023
https://www.bing.com/search?q=ibm+helped+nazis&form=ANNTH1&refig=497a58b9284f4bbe8c9f9c350d9ca2e7

How IBM Helped The Nazis Carry Out The Holocaust

IBM and the Holocaust - Wikipedia

BaronChocula

(2,835 posts)
17. How far is a reasonable distance
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:40 PM
Nov 2023

from a nazi post for your ad to appear?

moniss

(7,495 posts)
21. Thank you for
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:54 PM
Nov 2023

one of the best posts I've read today.

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