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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:05 PM Dec 2023

Shohei Ohtani to join Dodgers on 10-year, $700M contract

Source: ESPN

Shohei Ohtani signed a historic 10-year, $700 million contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Saturday.

Ohtani posted to Instagram on Saturday saying he would play for his former team's crosstown rival starting next season after spending six seasons with the Los Angeles Angels.

"I pledge to always do what's best for the team and always continue to give it my all to be the best version of myself. Until the last day of my playing career, I want to continue to strive forward not only for the Dodgers but for the baseball world," Ohtani wrote.


Read more: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39076745/shohei-ohtani-join-dodgers-10-year-700m-deal



This is a historic contract in US professional sports and is a valid LBN subject.
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Shohei Ohtani to join Dodgers on 10-year, $700M contract (Original Post) Yavin4 Dec 2023 OP
The rich get richer. The Dodgers got him for cheap at ten years. brush Dec 2023 #1
Who's on first? Roy Rolling Dec 2023 #2
I guess they do. Yavin4 Dec 2023 #3
Thank god the Cubs didn't get him. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2023 #4
I agree... bahboo Dec 2023 #45
"There are only two tragedies in life 303squadron Dec 2023 #5
10 years of pitching through your 30's would be tough on a shoulder. Wow. C Moon Dec 2023 #25
Appx 3 Billion people worldwide live on less than $2 per day JoseBalow Dec 2023 #6
Ok, and? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #8
That's it JoseBalow Dec 2023 #11
Some people are tone, deaf to inequality Whilex Dec 2023 #36
And some people, hint, hint, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #39
See, it's a fair salary, compared to nurses only if you know " the intricacies of baseball" Whilex Dec 2023 #42
Apparently MLB disagrees with you as do the Dodgers and all the other teams that Sal_NV Dec 2023 #43
The appeal to popularity fallacy Torchlight Dec 2023 #57
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Dec 2023 #61
Thank you for posting this democrank Dec 2023 #9
He will pay north of 50% of that in taxes. Calista241 Dec 2023 #10
He's as rich as I think Javaman Dec 2023 #16
And a parasite like Scooter Braun? speak easy Dec 2023 #24
he's a leach too. Javaman Dec 2023 #63
How can he feed his (non-existent) kids on a measly $350 million a year? Yavin4 Dec 2023 #40
Plus he'll have to pay state taxes in every state he plays in Sal_NV Dec 2023 #17
It's proportional though. Calista241 Dec 2023 #18
Exactly. nt Sal_NV Dec 2023 #19
That offsets DarthDem Dec 2023 #29
The one that is shocking to see is over $1,000,000 per week! C Moon Dec 2023 #26
MLB is a joke. Mosby Dec 2023 #7
Eh lonely bird Dec 2023 #13
The NBA has a salary cap. Mosby Dec 2023 #15
You most certainly can buy a championship Calista241 Dec 2023 #20
So lonely bird Dec 2023 #22
The Dodgers won't get their money's worth with this contract. ificandream Dec 2023 #12
If I understand correctly lonely bird Dec 2023 #14
I don't think they are jmowreader Dec 2023 #30
Dodger games draw a large fan participation. Tikki Dec 2023 #21
This brings new meaning to the term "Co-Prosperity Sphere"... First Speaker Dec 2023 #23
Fortunately as a job creator, he will have limited taxation. Gore1FL Dec 2023 #27
I'm wondering if the Dodgers are also trying to buy, cash on the barrel: usonian Dec 2023 #28
Almost $1.35 million a week, year round, $430k per game bucolic_frolic Dec 2023 #31
Much of the money is deferred. The Dodgers will recoup a great deal of the money in off field business opportunities. Magoo48 Dec 2023 #32
Watch TV? No wonder it is so fucking costly. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #33
This is utterly obscene. It's a kids game. flashman13 Dec 2023 #34
Baseball is failing? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #35
We used to not being sympathetic to one percenters Whilex Dec 2023 #37
I have no problem with someone who gets rich by their hard work Sal_NV Dec 2023 #38
Lets look at some more meaningful numbers. flashman13 Dec 2023 #46
Think about this. In 1964 Mickey Mantle, one of the true greats, flashman13 Dec 2023 #51
Do you think Ohtani is 70 times better than Mantle? I don't. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #52
The highest paid professional athlete in American history is a non-American. Yavin4 Dec 2023 #41
Meanwhile, many hard-working parents cannot afford a babysitter Whilex Dec 2023 #44
And that has what to do with Ohtani earning what he's worked hard for? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #48
We don't invest in our kids on the same scale that other developed nations do. Yavin4 Dec 2023 #54
Immigrants tend to be hardworking Jose Garcia Dec 2023 #65
That and we don't invest enough in our people. Yavin4 Dec 2023 #66
I'm an Angels fan. I'm still in mourning. Initech Dec 2023 #47
Me too. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #49
I went to an Angels - Dodgers game at Dodgers Stadium, wearing my Angels jersey. Initech Dec 2023 #55
I would'nt go to that stadium for free miyazaki Dec 2023 #60
What does one do with $700,000,000, I wonder. IcyPeas Dec 2023 #50
I remember when Detroit Tiger Al Kaline Received a Million Dollar Contract back in the 70's Jacson6 Dec 2023 #53
Taxes in CA for $700M Jacson6 Dec 2023 #56
SS taxes on $700 million? $9932.40 LOL!!! Yavin4 Dec 2023 #58
Ridiculous amount of money. Owl Dec 2023 #59
proof Snoopy 7 Dec 2023 #62
"MORE AND MORE"............................MONEY.........HONEY!!!!! Stuart G Dec 2023 #64
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
1. The rich get richer. The Dodgers got him for cheap at ten years.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:09 PM
Dec 2023

It was estimated he go for about 600k for 5-6 years.

Roy Rolling

(7,626 posts)
2. Who's on first?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:12 PM
Dec 2023

Do the LA Dodgers gave enough to pay $700 million?
Or will a $700 million salary to one player force the Dodger franchise’s current prices to immediately go up?

It’s business. But as a baseball fan, I hate the business of sport/entertainment/bad entertainment.



Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
4. Thank god the Cubs didn't get him.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:24 PM
Dec 2023

Though I'd be really curious as to whether they genuinely tried. They certainly wanted the fans to think so.

303squadron

(813 posts)
5. "There are only two tragedies in life
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:28 PM
Dec 2023

Not getting what you want, and getting what you want. "

Most studies of peak performance/age in baseball, including one by Bill James indicated that optimal age is 29. After that, baseball skills start to decline.

Ohtani is 29. Without pitching he won't produce 10 WAR a year like 2023 and by the time he comes back to the mound he'll be pushing 31.

The general manager in my head is challenged by this decision!

JoseBalow

(9,451 posts)
6. Appx 3 Billion people worldwide live on less than $2 per day
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:31 PM
Dec 2023

This person will be making more than that per second, every second...

$700,000,000 for 10 years
$70,000,000 per year
$5,833,333 per month
$1,346,153 per week
$191,780 per day
$7,991 per hour
$133 per minute
$2.22 per second




 

Whilex

(13 posts)
36. Some people are tone, deaf to inequality
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:41 PM
Dec 2023

The fact that a guy receives that amount of money for hitting a ball with a stick, seems totally fair to them.
It doesn’t occur to them to compare the salaries of nurses and teachers and rescue workers and other essential individuals to this guy hitting the ball with a stick.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
39. And some people, hint, hint,
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:02 PM
Dec 2023

don't know the intricacies of baseball.

The fact that a guy receives that amount of money for hitting a ball with a stick


You really think that's all there is to baseball?
You are wholly uninformed if that's what you believe.
 

Whilex

(13 posts)
42. See, it's a fair salary, compared to nurses only if you know " the intricacies of baseball"
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:12 PM
Dec 2023

Comprehension and fairness are not the same, buddy.
A guy hitting a bong with a stick, making $700 million is not fair no matter how many times I read the ” intricacies of baseball” and understand it fully.

Knowing the mechanism whereby a guy hitting a ball with a stick makes $700 million doesn’t make it a fair salary.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
43. Apparently MLB disagrees with you as do the Dodgers and all the other teams that
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:16 PM
Dec 2023

were vying for his talent.

Torchlight

(6,792 posts)
57. The appeal to popularity fallacy
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 07:32 PM
Dec 2023

is made when an argument relies on public opinion to determine what is true, right, or good.

The more we know.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
10. He will pay north of 50% of that in taxes.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 07:05 PM
Dec 2023

37% in income tax to the Feds.
12.3% in CA state income tax.

That’s before he pays any property taxes.

If there’s one thing our government can do with near 100% effectiveness, is make sure W2 employees pay all their taxes. I’m not saying he isn’t obscenely rich, but he’s not as rich as you think.

Javaman

(65,685 posts)
16. He's as rich as I think
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:40 PM
Dec 2023

350 million(after taxes) is still ridiculous

We are so fucked as a civilization.

We pay people obscene amounts to celebrities and sport stars. But we pay the people that educate our children shit wages.

speak easy

(12,597 posts)
24. And a parasite like Scooter Braun?
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:54 AM
Dec 2023

Who has made an estimated $2 Billion over 13 years including the proceeds of onselling Taylor Swifts back catalog? Funny how we resent flesh and blood salaries, but not the leeches sucking it up.

Javaman

(65,685 posts)
63. he's a leach too.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 09:23 AM
Dec 2023

I'm a pround Democratic Socialist.

Anyone one making that kind of money should be taxed to with an inch of their income.

we live in a obscene state of disparity. and those who could change things willfully sit on their hands because they are also part of the gilded nouveau rich.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
40. How can he feed his (non-existent) kids on a measly $350 million a year?
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:08 PM
Dec 2023

Dude going to spend a lot of time clipping coupons.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
17. Plus he'll have to pay state taxes in every state he plays in
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:46 PM
Dec 2023

so if the Dodgers are playing the NY Mets in NY, he has to pay NY state taxes.

https://www.jacksonhewitt.com/tax-help/jh-tax-talk/do-baseball-players-pay-state-taxes/

Ten W-2 forms
A baseball player gets a W-2 for every state where he played during the season, showing taxable income and withholding. Just like any other job.

The jock tax
A baseball player pays income taxes not only in the state where he lives but in every state where he plays. But, since he doesn’t pay taxes twice on the same money, he’ll file a non-resident return for all those states and claim a credit from each state, to reduce the amount he owes to the state where he lives. This so-called “jock tax” has been around since the 1960s and, as you might guess, has never been very popular with players.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
18. It's proportional though.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:53 PM
Dec 2023

So if they play a 3 game series in NY, he pays the NY state 10.9% income tax on 3 days worth of pay.

If his next 3 game series is in Atlanta, he’ll have to pay the 5.75% Georgia income tax on 3 days worth of pay.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
20. You most certainly can buy a championship
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:56 PM
Dec 2023

Owners just have to pay a luxury tax if their player payroll is too high.

ificandream

(11,836 posts)
12. The Dodgers won't get their money's worth with this contract.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 07:47 PM
Dec 2023

He's coming off his second UCL sprain. They're crazy to give him all that money.

lonely bird

(2,932 posts)
14. If I understand correctly
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:14 PM
Dec 2023

It is heavily backloaded and deferred.

The Dodgers won’t suffer. Dodger fans will. A friend thinks that this will lead to more H.S. and college kids demanding to pitch along with playing the field or DHing.

jmowreader

(53,166 posts)
30. I don't think they are
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 07:59 AM
Dec 2023

With him on the team, their advertising rates go up.

Another thing to consider is broadcast rights in Japan. The Japanese baseball fan LOVES Shohei Ohtani. The Dodgers know this and will ink a very lucrative Japanese broadcast contract.

Tikki

(15,133 posts)
21. Dodger games draw a large fan participation.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:59 PM
Dec 2023

The Chavez Ravine Stadium setting is breathtakingly beautiful.
If the team ever needs to expand the Stadium, I hope they will be able to do so on site.
We will see if it will be possible to get tickets early on this coming Season.

The Tikkis

usonian

(25,112 posts)
28. I'm wondering if the Dodgers are also trying to buy, cash on the barrel:
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:04 AM
Dec 2023

∙ Every MLB first starting pitcher.
∙ Aaron Judge
∙ Mike Trout
∙ Tesla Motors
∙ The State of Arizona, and
∙ Amtrak

I'll report back when I find out.

bucolic_frolic

(55,044 posts)
31. Almost $1.35 million a week, year round, $430k per game
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 08:51 AM
Dec 2023

As a designated hitter, 4 at bats per game, $107,000 per at bat, maybe $30,000 per swing.

Magoo48

(6,720 posts)
32. Much of the money is deferred. The Dodgers will recoup a great deal of the money in off field business opportunities.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 10:11 AM
Dec 2023

I’ve loved baseball since I was a 10-year-old kid in 1958 and began listening to Vince Scully announce ballgames on the radio. I bleed Dodger blue. The money is what it is, and folks like me derive great pleasure the game.

Obscene money expenditures that don’t bring me pleasure:

Corporate CEO and upper management pay.
Military spending and MIC investment in killing and death.
The massive cruise industry which pollutes our Ocean.
The insane fossil fuels industry, and other extraction capitalism, killing our planet…

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
35. Baseball is failing?
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:36 PM
Dec 2023

Don't think so..

Is MLB attendance down in 2023?
The total attendance of 70,747,365 in 2023 was a gain of over 6 million fans from 2022, when total attendance was 64,556,658.Oct 2, 2023


Good for Ohtani getting such a good contract.
 

Whilex

(13 posts)
37. We used to not being sympathetic to one percenters
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:45 PM
Dec 2023

Now we congratulate them for getting a raise and becoming 0.5 percenters.

Times change I guess.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
38. I have no problem with someone who gets rich by their hard work
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:50 PM
Dec 2023

and talent, which Ohtani has done.

My problem is those that didn't earn their millions through their hard work and talent.

Ohtani is, in my opinion, worth every penny the Dodgers are paying him, although I do confess that my two favorite teams are the LA Angels and the LA Dodgers.

flashman13

(2,378 posts)
46. Lets look at some more meaningful numbers.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:08 PM
Dec 2023

These numbers pertain to the (U.S.) World Series:

In 2023 the average viewership on TV was 9.95 million
In 2001 the average viewership on TV was 24.5 million
In 1980 the average viewership on TV was 42.3 million

In 2023 the U.S. population is 332 million
In 2001 the U.S. population was 285 million
In 1980 the U.S. population is 226 million

Therefore:

Between 2001 and 2023 the population grew by 16.5% while viewership dropped by 60%
Between 2001 and 1980 the population grew by 47% while viewership dropped by 76.5%

Those numbers tell me baseball is failing. And BTW, TV revenue is also crashing. The only alternative is to raise in person ticket prices thus driving more average fans from the parks.

flashman13

(2,378 posts)
51. Think about this. In 1964 Mickey Mantle, one of the true greats,
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 05:27 PM
Dec 2023

signed a contract with the Yankees for $100,000 per season. Taking inflation in account that is roughly $1,000,000. Ohtani will be paid $70,000,000 per season (assuming he lasts long enough to collect it all).

Do you think Ohtani is 70 times better than Mantle? I don't.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
41. The highest paid professional athlete in American history is a non-American.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:12 PM
Dec 2023

Highest paid by far. Outside of American football, foreign born players are the best in their sports, NBA, NHL, and MLB.

I think that says something.

 

Whilex

(13 posts)
44. Meanwhile, many hard-working parents cannot afford a babysitter
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:26 PM
Dec 2023

It’s the world we live in unfortunately

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
54. We don't invest in our kids on the same scale that other developed nations do.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 06:10 PM
Dec 2023

The best athletes in the world across multiple sports are not American. The same is also true for the better actors in the world.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
66. That and we don't invest enough in our people.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 03:27 PM
Dec 2023

Most immigrants (not counting migrants and the undocumented) who come here today are not poo and down trodden. They're a lot like Ohtani, super talented and already successful.

Initech

(108,690 posts)
47. I'm an Angels fan. I'm still in mourning.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:16 PM
Dec 2023

Fuck Arte Moreno. The sooner he rids the world of his evil existence, the better.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
49. Me too.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 05:01 PM
Dec 2023

When the Angels play the Dodgers in inter league play, I always root for the Angels.

Initech

(108,690 posts)
55. I went to an Angels - Dodgers game at Dodgers Stadium, wearing my Angels jersey.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 06:14 PM
Dec 2023

I never feared for my life more than I did that night. I straight up thought I was going to be murdered that night. Dodgers fans aren't exactly the most welcoming fans in the MLB.

IcyPeas

(25,438 posts)
50. What does one do with $700,000,000, I wonder.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 05:24 PM
Dec 2023

It's like famous paintings that go for millions...it's worth whatever one is willing to pay I guess.

I don't follow sports... any sports, so I don't understand why someone is worth that much.

Corporate sponsors and marketing have taken over everything.

If only teachers could get corporate sponsors.


Jacson6

(1,986 posts)
53. I remember when Detroit Tiger Al Kaline Received a Million Dollar Contract back in the 70's
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 05:56 PM
Dec 2023

I was six then. I thought that was absurd when my family lived off of a thousand a month. We need to bring back the 90% tax for those that earn more then ten million a year.



 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
58. SS taxes on $700 million? $9932.40 LOL!!!
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 07:41 PM
Dec 2023

And we have Niki Haley getting praise for calling for extending the SS retirement age for young people!

Snoopy 7

(730 posts)
62. proof
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:23 AM
Dec 2023

This should be obviously plain to you as the nose at the end of your face. This proves President Biden's economy is failing us all (yuck yuck). Don't forget that the two individuals running the corporation are trump supporters, financially and vote wise. These people want more money that is why they want trump in charge. Imagine spending one hundredth of that money on the people who keep the stadium running.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
64. "MORE AND MORE"............................MONEY.........HONEY!!!!!
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 12:36 PM
Dec 2023
STUPID IS REALLY....................'STUPID' !!!!!!!

(if given to some ....FOOD SHELTERS ...around the country in large cities & towns............how many people would that money feed?}
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