Donald Trump is barred from Colorado's 2024 ballot, the state Supreme Court rules
Source: Washington Post
In a historic decision Tuesday, the Colorado Supreme Court barred Donald Trump from running in the states presidential primary after determining that he had engaged in insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021.
The ruling marked the first time a court kept a presidential candidate off the ballot under an 1868 provision of the Constitution that prevents insurrectionists from holding office. The ruling comes as courts consider similar cases in other states.
The decision is certain to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, but it will be up to the justices to decide whether to take the case. Scholars have said only the nations high court can settle the issue of whether the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol constituted an insurrection and whether Trump is banned from running.
A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, the decision reads. Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/19/trump-off-colorado-ballot/
Link to tweet
AllyCat
(17,371 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(156,857 posts)Link to tweet
Here is a link to the opinion
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf
Takket
(22,725 posts)Well now the real fun begins. This ruling has virtually no meaning because obviously this is going to SCOTUS, but we know that is coming for sure now.
TomSlick
(12,046 posts)The decision is a mixture of federal constitutional and state law.
The Colorado Supreme Court should have the last word on state law. SCOTUS should be hard pressed to separate the federal constitutional issues from the state statutory issues.
We know what a SCOTUS majority will want to do but it will be a trick to write a decision that is not blatantly outcome determinative.
FBaggins
(27,909 posts)In fact - theres a chance that at least one of the three liberal justices will vote to overturn this.
Note - there are no conservative judges on the Colorado Supreme Court
yet three of them dissented.
TomSlick
(12,046 posts)it will be difficult to do so in a way that is not blatantly outcome determinative.
Maraya1969
(23,073 posts)TomSlick
(12,046 posts)If SCOTUS determines as a matter of federal constitutional law that TFG is not barred from holding office AND that states may not refuse to list him as a candidate - irrespective of state law - then the actions of other states would be moot.
That strikes me as a lot of legal hurdles to clear in anything approaching a reasoned and reasonable opinion. My bet is they try.
DENVERPOPS
(10,488 posts)2024 is going to be like NO other year in the entire history of the United States of America.......
With ten days to go, it is already getting ugly down in the Trenches..........
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)The USSC is going to overturn this law as it is written because federal law will take precedence over state law; the supremacy clause.
COL Mustard
(7,100 posts)He hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
I think he's a horrible person who should never have been elected, and yet was, and the thought of him ever being in office terrifies me almost beyond belief, but he hasn't been convicted yet. I anticipate he will be, but this seems like something the Senate should have done after his second impeachment...and yet didn't.
William Seger
(11,207 posts)... and part of the decision being appealed was that Trump had, indeed.
stevebreeze
(1,882 posts)over that one.
Lonestarblue
(12,113 posts)Drum
(10,007 posts)DippyDem
(660 posts)tanyev
(45,002 posts)area51
(12,223 posts)twodogsbarking
(12,375 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(156,857 posts)I trust Prof. Hasen and the Election Law blog
Link to tweet
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=140292
From the opinion:
In this appeal from a district court proceeding under the Colorado Election Code, the supreme court considers whether former President Donald J. Trump may appear on the Colorado Republican presidential primary ballot in 2024. A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot. The court stays its ruling until January 4, 2024, subject to any further appellate proceedings.
(The trial court had concluded it had jurisdiction and that Trump engaged in insurrection under Section 3, but that he had not taken an oath that subjected him to Section 3 and that the office of the president was not among the offices barred under Section 3.)
This is a major and extraordinary holding from a state supreme court. Never in history has a presidential candidate been excluded from the ballot under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. United States Supreme Court review seems inevitable, and it exerts major pressure on the Court. Even inaction would functional exclude him from not just Colorado but perhaps other states. And granting cert requires the Court to step into the thorniest of political thickets. There are a dozen ways the Court could go. And there is no question this is a big, big deal. State law requires the Secretary certify names by January 5, 2024, and while its possible to bump beyond that, practical ballot printing deadlines will quickly approach, and the holidays mean any review will be more truncated.
rurallib
(63,362 posts)and if it was decide on party lines?
Bludogdem
(93 posts)Supreme Court justices are Democrats appointees.
rurallib
(63,362 posts)DJ Porkchop
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mcar
(43,710 posts)Best news of the day!
Maeve
(43,093 posts)BunnyMcGee
(475 posts)GOOD!
sop
(12,119 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(156,857 posts)I really like the Deadline White House Legal Blog
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-colorado-14th-amendment-ruling-rcna128710
The U.S. Supreme Court could have the final word, whether in this Colorado case or another one, as challenges have been raised in states across the country against Trump's eligibility.
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment disqualifies from office those who take an oath to support the Constitution and then engage in insurrection. Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace last month said Trump engaged in insurrection; however, she said Section 3 doesn't apply to presidents, so he can be on the ballot. Both sides challenged the ruling at the state's high court, arguing their positions to the state justices in a Dec. 6 hearing......
Section 3 says:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
RobertDevereaux
(1,972 posts)world wide wally
(21,835 posts)onetexan
(13,913 posts)Wishful thinking.
underpants
(187,955 posts)bigmonk
(96 posts)I'm sure the Supreme Court would no trouble declaring the Constitution to be unconstitutional.
This just made my whole fucking year!
Blue Owl
(55,055 posts)radicalleft
(510 posts)amiright RW knuckledraggers?
LNM
(1,141 posts)Orrex
(64,510 posts)Justice matters.
(7,691 posts)the kcochs don't want drumph and the federalist-society they fund wants desatan.
Orrex
(64,510 posts)It's like having to decide which dogshit sandwich will be served.
Bengus81
(7,668 posts)They sent her $600-$700,000 for her campaign. They want something here,not sure what.
Warpy
(113,131 posts)It's been moving at a glacial speed.
It's only 5 electoral votes, it's the principle of the thing.
calimary
(84,974 posts)Colorado has 10 electoral votes. Add a few more, and then a few more, and pretty soon youre talking real numbers.
Captain Zero
(7,622 posts)And keep Trump below 272 EVs.
AdamGG
(1,548 posts)Are there enough states considering this where it could deny Dump enough delegates to get the Rethuglican nomination? If it doesn't, the only states to keep him off the ballot will probably be blue states that he won't carry in the general election anyway, so it only matters if it helps deny him the nomination.
qwlauren35
(6,279 posts)That's 10 electoral votes he can't get.
Please, please, please let other states do this.
melm00se
(5,077 posts)The salient part:
"A majority of the court holds that President rump is disqualified from holding the office of the President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because he is disqualified it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot".
Off we go the Supreme Court.
I will be reading the ruling and will comment further when done.
SoFlaBro
(3,402 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(62,305 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 20, 2023, 08:13 AM - Edit history (1)
ETA, in light of replies:
Yeah, but the write-in votes won't count. Thanks for the replies, and good morning.
TwilightZone
(28,834 posts)The ruling says write-in votes would not be counted.
mahatmakanejeeves
(62,305 posts)MyOwnPeace
(17,286 posts)Couldnt spell his name even if you spotted them the Tr!!!!
orangecrush
(22,458 posts)Prairie Gates
(3,740 posts)Read the opinion.
Of course, his name can physically be written in, so I guess you're technically correct.
mahatmakanejeeves
(62,305 posts)Prairie Gates
(3,740 posts)that I thought you'd at least skimmed the main points.
Cheers!
Dave Bowman
(4,227 posts)I hope that it will snowball and that many other states do the same.
flashman13
(887 posts)Kid Berwyn
(18,816 posts)Good riddance.
Comfortably_Numb
(4,133 posts)durablend
(8,074 posts)eggplant
(4,018 posts)...the election they are barring him from isn't the presidential election, it's the Republican primary.
I would have expected the ruling to be that he was barred from the general. I can't be the only person who has thought of this. What am I missing?
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)...and the ruling states that write-in votes will be disqualified, then he can't become the candidate for the ballot in the general election.
So it effectively does remove him from the November ballot in Colorado.
24601
(4,044 posts)For Example, President Biden isn't on the NH primary ballot because of our shuffled primary priorities. But after he wins the nomination, he will be on the general election ballot.
https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2023/10/27/as-biden-skips-nh-primary-democrats-plan-a-write-in-campaign-anyway/
FBaggins
(27,909 posts)Theyre saying that he cant be on the primary ballot because he cant be president. Its easy enough to infer that he therefore cannot be on the general election ballot either.
LetMyPeopleVote
(156,857 posts)ificandream
(10,937 posts)Deb
(3,744 posts)thanks for posting!
0rganism
(24,840 posts)Not like the decision itself would come as a huge surprise, it's been pending for a while, but it has indeed arrived now. Commence the widespread splattering. Anyone's guess how this plays out now.
prodigitalson
(3,009 posts)some agreeing with the district court and some saying he didn't engage in insurrection (or at least hadn't been adjudicated as such)
perdita9
(1,201 posts)The Orange Menace has shown America to have an unequal system of justice as judge after judge seems incapable of applying the rule of law to this narcissistic spoiled man child. Thank you, Colorado
malthaussen
(17,830 posts)Unless the USSC decides to punt, which they may well do (it would be the prudent thing to do), they'll be in the position of determining once and for all if 6 January was an "insurrection" or not. Should make for some convoluted legal reasoning if they decide that it was not. If they decide it is, then every state in the Union has free rein to block his candidacy.
-- Mal
hay rick
(8,406 posts)orangecrush
(22,458 posts)The RWNJ heads exploding will be like fireworks
moonshinegnomie
(2,957 posts)AKwannabe
(6,504 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)If not, prepare for Biden to be removed from the ballot in several Red states.
FBaggins
(27,909 posts)Particularly if one or more liberal justices backs the ruling.
I dont agree on the second statement
but my wife just pointed me to the TX LtGov saying that TX could remove Biden if it sticks.
Prairie Gates
(3,740 posts)Isn't everything?
John Shaft
(808 posts)President Biden did not foment insurrection against the United States.
I keep smelling people trying to draw an equivalence here that does not exist based on actual facts.
FBaggins
(27,909 posts)All it takes is a court that believes that some conduct constitutes rebellion or insurrection.
I dont doubt that they can find a judge who will say that the current border crisis constitutes an invasion
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)Biden hasn't been a participant in an insurrection. The lower court in Colorado stated that Trump had, based on presented evidence, and then gave a dicey opinion and kicked it upstairs. So, I think they would have to come up with some other excuse other than, "We just don't like you."
But, I do agree, the risk is there.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)Biden is a communist who is destroying Democracy
Thats why the ruling will not stand.
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)It's based on that Article 3. I'm not arguing that the SC won't find an excuse to overturn it, but they will have to declare him as not having been an insurrectionist. That's going to be hard to do, IMO. It would be easier for them to simply decline to hear it.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)All disqualifications since the initial wave of Confederates disqualified after passage of the 14th amendment, including just two in the past 100 years, required relevant convictions.
Not disqualified: dozens of sitting congressmen who conspired and collaborated with Nazis, but who were acquitted of seditious conspiracy.
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)My money's on their analysis. Besides, can you see these guys arguing against the likes of Trump's strip mall attorney's? No contest. Of course, that doesn't mean the SC must listen.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Maybe there will BE a conviction before Nov?
Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)Once Convicted, I expect to see a wave of states disqualifying him.
FBaggins
(27,909 posts)How can he be convicted of something he hasnt been indicted on yet?
Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)Scheduled to start in March, Smith projected needing 21 days to complete the trial.
A conviction on those charges would establish, via due process, a relevant legal finding of fact from which Trump could be disqualified.
The most recent person disqualified, Couy Griffin, was convicted of misdemeanour trespassing on January 6, and didnt even enter the Capitol, IIRC.
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)by two Colorado courts. There has been due process.
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)for the 14A Section 3 to apply. Two courts held trials or hearings and stated that he participated in an insurrection, and that it automatically attached. He's screwed unless they want to contrive new meanings to words. I have no belief in the SC anymore, and it could go 50/50, but no conviction is required.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Otherwise we've opened a can that'll never be closed & EVERY republican controlled state will try to find a higher court to rule against ANY Democrat running for even the House or Senate
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)A conviction may to be specifically required, but it is strongly implied.
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)of whether a guy is qualified to appear on a ballot. It is NOT a criminal matter where he can be sent to jail. If part of that determination stands on whether he committed a criminal act as narrowly stated under this section, then judges who have been presented with evidence in a trial are qualified to make that decision.
Trump also satisfies that part about giving aid and comfort to insurrectionists.
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)federal law. How they can opine using state law concerning a federal statute is beyond me. Do you have an answer for that one?
Novara
(6,115 posts)Read the important part: "engaged in insurrection or rebellion."
That's exactly what he did.
https://deanobeidallah.substack.com/p/barring-trump-from-ballot-is-not
snip:
Next, the question was whether Trump engaged in that insurrection within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. The Colorado Supreme Court noted that the US Attorney General at the time of the 14th Amendment was drafted, Henry Stanbery, explained that a person could have engaged in an insurrection even if the person had not levied war or take arms. Rather, Stanbery opined that when individuals acting in their official capacities act in the furtherance of the common unlawful purpose or do any overt act for the purpose of promoting the rebellion, they have engaged in insurrection or rebellion for Section Three disqualification purposes.
The court then detailed Trumps overt acts that he took for several months to build support for the Jan 6 insurrection, beginning with Trump refusing to accept the election results, spewing lies about the election being stolen to calling his supporters to Washington DC for a wild time on Jan 6. The court also laid out how on Jan 6, Trump incited the crowd to head to the Capitol to stop the steal, knowing they were angry and many were armed. And the court gave great weight to the fact that during the Jan 6 insurrection, Trump took no action to put an end to the violence. To the contrary, as mentioned above, when told that the mob was chanting, Hang Mike Pence, President Trump responded that perhaps the Vice President deserved to be hanged.
In sum, the court concluded: Trump fully intended toand didaid or further the insurrectionists common unlawful purpose of preventing the peaceful transfer of power in this country. He exhorted them to fight to prevent the certification of the 2020 presidential election. He personally took action to try to stop the certification. And for many hours, he and his supporters succeeded in halting that process. For these reasons, we conclude that the record fully supports the district courts finding that President Trump engaged in insurrection within the meaning of Section Three.
Finally, came the legal question of whether Section 3 applies to a President given that this constitutional provision expressly notes its applicability to members of Congress and members of any State legislature but not the office of President. Section 3 does, however, state it also applies to any officer of the United States.
The trial judge had concluded that Section 3 didnt apply to a President. However, the Colorado Supreme Court rejected that interpretation instead finding that the clear purpose of Section Three was to ensure that disloyal officers could never again play a role in governing the country. The court added, The drafters of Section Three were motivated by a sense of betrayal; that is, by the existence of a broken oath, not by the type of officer who broke it.
The court powerfully and rightly concluded: A construction of Section Three that would nevertheless allow a former President who broke his oath, not only to participate in the government again but to run for and hold the highest office in the land, is flatly unfaithful to the Sections purpose.
It flies in the face of common sense that the framers of the 14th Amendment would declare that if you engage in an insurrection, you are banned from officethat is, unless you are the President and in that case, insurrection all you want!
However, the key takeaway from this ruling is not banning Trump from the ballot. Rather, its that this state Supreme Court ruled Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. As a result of being ineligible to hold office, he is banned from the ballot. That also means if Trump were written in on the ballot by his supporters, he still would not be certified as the winner of the states election because he is ineligible to serve.
Tarc
(10,583 posts)That adds nothing to the discussion. There's no rational basis for a Biden removal, and such an attempt would be easily rebuffed by the courts.
NBachers
(18,245 posts)dchill
(40,992 posts)Maxheader
(4,400 posts)Will rule the worthless pos didn't cause the insurrection.
GreenWave
(9,817 posts)1. IQ 45 has not been found guilty of insurrection yet. It possibly could be argued that he failed to protect the USA from an insurrection.
2. Other Trump co-conspirators are running for office and some even holding office, right GOP House members and several senators?
ancianita
(39,190 posts)And counting.
Don't forget that Neal Katyal (whose last Moore v Harper oral argument before SCOTUS won the case) and Michael Luttig said they are willing to argue this particular case together before SCOTUS.
When SCOTUS rules that the CO Supreme Court and Appeals court made FACTUAL findings, their ruling will hold across all 50 states. What a burden will be lifted from the country.
Trump's only calculus for 2024 will be how much jail time he faces.
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)a bit more about your paragraph two? We are talking about the finding that Trump participated in the insurrection?
ancianita
(39,190 posts)what Michael Luttig and Neal Katyal said to Nicolle Wallace about the 14th Sec 3 hitting SCOTUS. Luttig said that whatever SCOTUS ruled for CO, which he said was the perfect test case, would hold for all 50 states, no exceptions. When Katyal said he'd orally argue the case in a heartbeat, he'd love to have Luttig by his side.
The CO SC ruling pretty much explains itself:
follows:
The Election Code allows the Electors to challenge President Trump's
status as a qualified candidate based on Section Three.
Indeed, the
Election Code provides the Electors their only viable means of litigating
whether President Trump is disqualified from holding office under
Section Three.
Congress does not need to pass implementing legislation for Section
Three's disqualification provision to attach, and Section Three is, in that
sense, self-executing.
Judicial review of President Trump's eligibility for office under Section
Three is not precluded by the political question doctrine.
Section Three encompasses the office of the Presidency and someone
who has taken an oath as President. On this point, the district court
committed reversible error.
The district court did not abuse its discretion in admitting portions of
Congress's January 6 Report into evidence at trial.
The district court did not err in concluding that the events at the U.S.
Capitol on January 6, 2021, constituted an "insurrection.
The district court did not err in concluding that President Trump
"engaged in" that insurrection through his personal actions.
President Trump's speech inciting the crowd that breached the U.S.
Capitol on January 6, 2021, was not protected by the First Amendment.
15
The sum of these parts is this: President Trump is disqualified from holding
the office of President under Section Three; because he is disqualified, it would be
a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Secretary to list him as a candidate
on the presidential primary ballot.
Here is its background on the FACTS, which made the ruling a "factual finding," according to Glenn Kirschner, which means that any Appellate agrees with state level factual findings, and so two courts will be in agreement on this ruling when it gets to SCOTUS:
I. Background
48
On November 8, 2016, President Trump was elected as the forty-fifth
President of the United States. He served in that role for four years.
49
On November 7, 2020, Joseph R. Biden, Jr., was elected as the forty-sixth
President of the United States. President Trump refused to accept the results, but
President Biden now occupies the office of the President.
910
On December 14, 2020, the Electoral College officially confirmed the results:
306 electoral votes for President Biden; 232 for President Trump. President Trump
continued to challenge the outcome, both in the courts and in the media.
411
On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment, U.S. Const.
amend. XII, and the Electoral Count Act, 3 U.S.C. $ 15, Congress convened a joint
session to certify the Electoral College votes. President Trump held a rally that
morning at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. at which he, along with several others,
P 10
spoke to the attendees. In his speech, which began around noon, President Trump
persisted in rejecting the election results, telling his supporters that "[we won in
a landslide" and "we will never concede." He urged his supporters to
"confront
this egregious assault on our democracy";
"walk down to the Capitol ... [and]
show strength"; and that if they did not "fight like hell, [they would] not have
a country anymore."
Before his speech ended, portions of the crowd began
moving toward the Capitol. Below, we discuss additional facts regarding the
events of January 6, as relevant to the legal issues before us.
112
Just before 4 a.m. the next morning, January 7, 2021, Vice President Michael
R. Pence certified the electoral votes, officially confirming President Biden as
President-elect of the United States.
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President Trump now seeks the Colorado Republican Party's 2024 presidential nomination.
New Mexico made a similar ruling re Couy Griffith, and now comes Colorado with the statement of the actual facts. Trump took an oath, then in sending the crowd to stop Pence and the electoral count, fomented a rebellion/insurrection.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/19/us/politics/colorado-supreme-court-decision.html
Katyal and Luttig would be a dynamic duo for sure!
Silent Type
(7,774 posts)GOPers will likely nominate someone else like Haley. I think we can beat trump easier than say Haley, but the risk of trump winning election is frightening. Haley would not be much better.
Bludogdem
(93 posts)is going to have a problem with the absence of tfg being charged with insurrection, tried by a jury of his peers , and convicted by a jury of his peers. Section 3 of the 14th amendment doesnt nullify that responsibility.
DC77
(137 posts)The Constitution sets no such test. The word convicted does not appear in Article Three of the Fourteenth Amendment. It says disability can be removed by 2/3 vote of the house, but nothing about tried in a criminal court and found guilty. It also says aid and comfort is a disqualification. So no reasonable doubt test, no preponderance of the evidence, no what does Congress vote specific to that.
I think they will go back to historical debates on this. I would love if a majority were to agree that Donald J. Trump is barred, but I am with you that may not happen.
Bludogdem
(93 posts)of officer of the United States .
The officer question
Comes down to the precise term used in section 3. Officer of the United States.
In Federalist number 69 Hamilton clearly distinguishes the the difference between officer of the United States and officer as President.
According to Hamilton the President is an officer elected by the people and the President appoints officers of the United States.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed69.asp
The president, though an officer by way of election by the people, is not an officer of the United States , the precise term used in section 3.
TwilightZone
(28,834 posts)"Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment does not expressly require a criminal conviction, and historically, one was not necessary."
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10569
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)necessary to prove the facts in a case. Otherwise we could just jail folks based on witness testimony.
John Shaft
(808 posts)and does not require a conviction.
Why are so many here fixated on this "conviction first" angle?
It's simply NOT TRUE.
sakabatou
(43,558 posts)ShazzieB
(19,126 posts)I would NOT assume that SCOTUS is going to strike this down. They've ruled against him before (I forget how many times), and I don't think even the conservatives are all big Trump fans.
Sure, they could rule in his favor, but it's far from a foregone conclusion.
EndlessWire
(7,376 posts)It's an early Christmas present! Finally, sense is made. This ruling made me think of Colorado sleigh rides through pristine snow with bells ringing. Thank you, Colorado!
Freethinker65
(11,168 posts)FBaggins
(27,909 posts)A successful insurrection doesnt leave behind a system that keeps insurrectionists from power.
Prairie Gates
(3,740 posts)For if it prosper...
Ah, y'all know the rest.
republianmushroom
(18,586 posts)Some justices calling it as it is.
Ollie Garkie
(219 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,750 posts)1 down 49 to go
Hassler
(3,888 posts)Kablooie
(18,816 posts)If they allowed it that would mean the Constitution bans him from running so all states would have to ban him.
They arent going to eliminate Trump as a candidate so they cant let it stand.
I doubt they can proclaim it unconstitutional either without a lengthy justification.
They may say they cant make a decision until they hear both sides which would take months so the whole thing will be put aside until sometime after the election.
Aussie105
(6,597 posts)Encouraging an insurrection . . .
Not taking affirmative action as POTUS to stop a rebellion.
Giving support and succor to enemies both in your own country and abroad.
People have faced a death sentence over this in the past.
Even poor old Guy Fawkes who only wanted to blow up the Houses of Parliament with barrels of gunpower was executed.
So why the vagueness in dealing with #45?
33taw
(2,983 posts)If Trump appeals this decision to the US Supreme Court the stay remains in effect and Trump will be on the ballot until the USSC makes a decision. Please read page 9 - maybe I am wrong, but that is what I read.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf
FBaggins
(27,909 posts)The stay only lasts until the state's deadline for a key stage in the ballot creation process. SCOTUS must either rule by then or must issue their own stay if they don't think they can rule prior to January 4th.
There's an intermediary possibility that I don't think is very likely. Trump could instead appeal to a 10th circuit federal district court (since they can overturn a state supreme court on matters of the federal constitution). But that would add at least two (very likely three) levels of appeal... with little benefit for either side.
33taw
(2,983 posts)FBaggins
(27,909 posts)But then again
Im shocked that anyone on the Colorado court was willing to make this ruling. So Im open to being surprised.
Whether thats pleasantly or not will have to wait until November
LetMyPeopleVote
(156,857 posts)DownriverDem
(6,725 posts)The US Supreme Court will. I see where it's been said that the CO ruling would deny the voters. They sure didn't care that All Gore was denied.
OhioTim
(308 posts)He is much more easily beatable than Haley