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BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 04:15 PM Jan 2024

Mike Pence refutes Trump on Jan. 6, urges GOP voters to pick different candidate in 2024

Source: USA Today

Published 10:14 a.m. ET Jan. 7, 2024 | Updated 10:14 a.m. ET Jan. 7, 2024


Former Vice President Mike Pence, who said his life was threatened during the violent U.S. Capitol attack three years ago, is refuting the unsubstantiated claims of former President Donald Trump and encouraging Republicans to choose another candidate in 2024.

Pence, once fiercely loyal to his old boss, dismantled Trump's recent description in Iowa that Jan. 6, 2021, was "peaceful" and the work of "patriots." Trump also describes more than 1,000 people, who were convicted in connection with crimes on Jan. 6, as political "hostages." And the former president has made unsubstantiated claims that the Jan. 6 attack was the work of the FBI. "The truth is that this was a riot that should never have happened," Pence said Sunday morning during an interview on CNN's State of the Union.

He also emphasized what he has said before − Trump's words were reckless on Jan. 6 and Pence did his duty in certifying the will of voters who elected President Joe Biden in 2020. Pence, who was at the Capitol on Jan. 6, said he saw people breaking windows, ransacking the Capitol. "It just infuriated me," Pence said. "I remember thinking, you know, 'Not this, not here, not at the United States Capitol.'"

He thanked the FBI for bringing criminals to justice and countered Trump's false claims. "I've heard the many repeated assurances from the FBI that they were not involved and I take them at their word," Pence said.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/01/07/pence-refutes-trump-jan-6/72140483007/

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Mike Pence refutes Trump on Jan. 6, urges GOP voters to pick different candidate in 2024 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2024 OP
Now that his career is in the tank, he gets off the fence. Raven123 Jan 2024 #1
Looks like he finally woke up to something the rest of us knew a long time ago - he has no political future. Novara Jan 2024 #10
Dunno, Pretty sure he was a star witness against Trump in front of the J6 Grand Jury. emulatorloo Jan 2024 #27
Perhaps, but not because he volunteered Raven123 Jan 2024 #51
Hardly put up a fight, just enough to keep the MAGA murder threats to a minimum. emulatorloo Jan 2024 #53
So let me see. He wanted to profit from his "testimony." Raven123 Jan 2024 #55
To late! He should have worked the Impeachment instead of supporting him, since he knew what rump was doing. Bluethroughu Jan 2024 #34
I guess his cryptorchidism is slowly fixing itself. Lunabell Jan 2024 #2
Ok, Pence, ok. I'm hearing you, seeing you making statements for what's best for the nation. brush Jan 2024 #3
He would still vote for shithole................................ Lovie777 Jan 2024 #4
When he was running, said he'd vote for him if he was the nominee. Bluethroughu Jan 2024 #36
If he were asked again to be VP... 3catwoman3 Jan 2024 #5
Pence will never be asked to rejoin Team Trump, and if he was, he'd say no. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #11
I agree that there's no chance in hell this would happen... 3catwoman3 Jan 2024 #22
Inow wgat you mean. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #24
I say he'd turn it down. Not that it'll ever happen. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #14
I don't think it will happen either. I'm just curious... 3catwoman3 Jan 2024 #20
He'll be too busy appearing as Jack Smith's star witness in the J6 trial. emulatorloo Jan 2024 #28
Did the fly finally wrest control? IrishAfricanAmerican Jan 2024 #6
What does his brother Gregg Pence have to say? He ain't exactly all together. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #7
Was Gregg the brother selling Cummings Tractors to Russia? OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2024 #32
I grade that statement a C. Mr.Bill Jan 2024 #8
also, an apology would be fitting, "I'm regret, and I'm sorry I enabled this sociopath con-man". nt CharleyDog Jan 2024 #9
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jan 2024 #12
Seriously, if Pence gave a shit and truly believed the American Idea.... OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2024 #33
Welcome to the Vertebrate Club Aviation Pro Jan 2024 #13
Are you kidding? The MAGAs will eat him alive FakeNoose Jan 2024 #38
he's already been branded a RINO, traitor, "uni-party" member, etc. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #15
Now confess and explain why Paul Manafort made tfg pick you for V.P. rubbersole Jan 2024 #16
That's easy. To get crazy Christians to feel ok with voting for Adulterous Don. emulatorloo Jan 2024 #29
Too late. Grins Jan 2024 #17
Not the first, and Not the last...K and R Stuart G Jan 2024 #18
Well, they did intend to hang him. Forgiveness has its limit. twodogsbarking Jan 2024 #19
He better watch his back because he's going to be getting a lot of death threats from TFG zombie supporters kimbutgar Jan 2024 #21
Schroedinger's Spine has reappeared! ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #23
In his case, never is better than late. SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #25
Did Mother approve this? Kennah Jan 2024 #26
Trump tried to get him and Mother killed on J6, so pretty sure Mother is ok with it. emulatorloo Jan 2024 #30
Mother is NOT to be trifled with Kennah Jan 2024 #39
... emulatorloo Jan 2024 #42
Awww...he's holding a grudge just because... LudwigPastorius Jan 2024 #31
Just like Pooty forgave Prigozhin Kennah Jan 2024 #40
When the Religious con met the World Class Con..... OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2024 #35
Who you voting for in 2024, Mike? OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2024 #37
When has this EVER happened? BadGimp Jan 2024 #41
Now he says something ? Botany Jan 2024 #43
Better late than never RussBLib Jan 2024 #46
Pence was so infuriated by the 1/6 insurrection that Prof. Toru Tanaka Jan 2024 #44
Mother and Her Boy are now one Kennah Jan 2024 #45
What exquisite irony. When Trump said he hoped Pence would do the right thing on Jan. 6th....... DFW Jan 2024 #47
It took him this long? JFC... sakabatou Jan 2024 #48
Was a coup that failed not a riot malaise Jan 2024 #49
Why the hell would the FBI ever initiate a coup against the government? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2024 #50
He waited until he had nothing to lose EndlessWire Jan 2024 #52
When Pence thought he had a chance to run for office, he was still kissing Trump's ass long after Jan6. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #54

Novara

(6,115 posts)
10. Looks like he finally woke up to something the rest of us knew a long time ago - he has no political future.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 05:45 PM
Jan 2024

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
53. Hardly put up a fight, just enough to keep the MAGA murder threats to a minimum.
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 06:42 PM
Jan 2024

Wrote all about it in his book before he testified too.

Raven123

(7,797 posts)
55. So let me see. He wanted to profit from his "testimony."
Tue Jan 9, 2024, 08:02 AM
Jan 2024

Minimize murder threats? Not sure I can buy into that. Heck MAGA was threatening to hang him then. The chasm between him and Liz Cheney is huge. Pence should have come out strong starting on J6 and continued.

IMO he wanted to have it both ways, like every nearly other GOP presidential hopeful, wanted the MAGAs to vote for him, but he played on their turf.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
34. To late! He should have worked the Impeachment instead of supporting him, since he knew what rump was doing.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:33 PM
Jan 2024

Then said he'd vote for him, if he was the nominee! Go FLY away.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
2. I guess his cryptorchidism is slowly fixing itself.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 04:22 PM
Jan 2024

Maybe laying on of hands spiritual healing actually works.



 

brush

(61,033 posts)
3. Ok, Pence, ok. I'm hearing you, seeing you making statements for what's best for the nation.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 04:35 PM
Jan 2024

Next is to just say vote Democratic. You know it's true.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
11. Pence will never be asked to rejoin Team Trump, and if he was, he'd say no.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 05:46 PM
Jan 2024

When he agreed to be Trump's running mate back in 2016, Pence had no idea what he was getting himself into. He knows now, and he also knows damned well that Trump tried to get him killed on January 6. I can't imagine him ever willingly walking into that hornet's nest again.

It's a moot point anyway, because Pence has been on the Orange One's sh*t list ever since he declined to break the law for Trump on J6, and I'm pretty sure that once someone goes on that list, they are there to say. Trump holds grudges, BIG time. I don't think he ever forgets anything that he considers an act of disloyalty, and in his tiny mind Pence refusing to help him steal the election and stay in power was the ultimate act of disloyalty.

Bottom line: Trump would never welcome Pence back into the fold, and Pence has no desire to return.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
22. I agree that there's no chance in hell this would happen...
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 09:24 PM
Jan 2024

…yet I can’t help but wonder about it because so many people who have been part of Trump’s administration have expressed assorted negative opinions, yet cannot cross that final line of saying they would not vote for him again.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
24. Inow wgat you mean.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 10:39 PM
Jan 2024

For some of them, I'm afraid that the party affiliation of a candidate trumps everything else (pardon the pun), and voting for someone without an R next to their name is just too hard!

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
20. I don't think it will happen either. I'm just curious...
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 09:17 PM
Jan 2024

…because so many people who have been involved with Trump have been moderately vocal about saying he’s not fit to hold office again, but cannot bring themselves to say they would not vote for him if he were the nominee.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
8. I grade that statement a C.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jan 2024

The A statement calls it an insurrection that Trump caused and led.

CharleyDog

(816 posts)
9. also, an apology would be fitting, "I'm regret, and I'm sorry I enabled this sociopath con-man". nt
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 05:33 PM
Jan 2024

OAITW r.2.0

(32,141 posts)
33. Seriously, if Pence gave a shit and truly believed the American Idea....
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:29 PM
Jan 2024

he'd be begging forgiveness from all American's for giving religious cover to Trump.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
38. Are you kidding? The MAGAs will eat him alive
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 12:25 AM
Jan 2024

Mikey's gonna scurry back to his hiding place very quickly.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
15. he's already been branded a RINO, traitor, "uni-party" member, etc.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 06:05 PM
Jan 2024

As have all the REST of the republicans who dare speak against dear Leader.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
21. He better watch his back because he's going to be getting a lot of death threats from TFG zombie supporters
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 09:18 PM
Jan 2024

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
25. In his case, never is better than late.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 10:54 PM
Jan 2024

He waited too long - Orange mushroom has convinced his cult followers that Mike is a fake.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
31. Awww...he's holding a grudge just because...
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:26 PM
Jan 2024

Donny set a rabid mob of Nazi shitheads after him to rip him apart.

Geez, Mike! Forgive and forget, right?

OAITW r.2.0

(32,141 posts)
35. When the Religious con met the World Class Con.....
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:33 PM
Jan 2024

it was no contest. Your God wasn't a factor in Trump's power grab.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,141 posts)
37. Who you voting for in 2024, Mike?
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:37 PM
Jan 2024

(1) Bail
(2) Trump
(3) Biden

Bail includes 3rd Party vote waste.

Only one option is best for this country.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
43. Now he says something ?
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 08:55 AM
Jan 2024


How about when Trump called him a pussy for not breaking the law and overturning
the election or when Trump blamed Pence for his crowd looking to kill him?

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,926 posts)
44. Pence was so infuriated by the 1/6 insurrection that
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 11:10 AM
Jan 2024

it has taken him three years to calm down to the point where he can make an honest and accurate response denouncing Trump and the insurrectionists. /s

DFW

(60,186 posts)
47. What exquisite irony. When Trump said he hoped Pence would do the right thing on Jan. 6th.......
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 01:49 PM
Jan 2024

Pence DID do the right thing. Trump was furious, and urged Pence's lynching.
That sort of sentiment can tend to loosen even the strongest ties of loyalty.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,689 posts)
50. Why the hell would the FBI ever initiate a coup against the government?
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jan 2024

Same goes with "antifa" or the "deep state dems".

If the Biden government was set to take over again anyways? What kind of idiot would think that the FBI....even if they were dead set against Trump......would think its a great idea to secretly concoct a plan to make Trump look even worse after he already lost! What would be the point and even if that was accomplished, is that really worth the risk of staining the reputation and proud history of the FBI with this kind of subterfuge?

Its just ridiculous.
And its sickening to watch smarter Republican reps stoke this stupidity for their own political benefit.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
52. He waited until he had nothing to lose
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 04:34 PM
Jan 2024

to speak up on a matter that deeply concerns the American people. This is illustrative of why he wasn't suitable to be President.

Hell, truth be told, he was motivated after the revelation that Trump said, "So what?" when he was told that Pence was in peril. I think it's taken ALL this time to realize that Trump was probably waiting for the lynching. Goodness, we were lucky on that day!

Giving credit where credit is due, he did his job. Also, he was smart enough not to get into the car. That's a lesson for us all. But, he never called it like it is until now. It IS good to see that he's telling people not to vote for Trump. It helps.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
54. When Pence thought he had a chance to run for office, he was still kissing Trump's ass long after Jan6.
Mon Jan 8, 2024, 09:30 PM
Jan 2024
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