Texas governor ignores Supreme Court ruling, adds more razor wire to border
Source: CBS
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is doubling down on his border initiatives after being dealt a blow from the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this week.
Texas and Abbott are making it no secret theyre putting in more razor wire at the southern border just days after the high court gave the go-ahead to the federal government to remove the wire.
In a lengthy statement, Abbott is reiterating arguments hes cited before, asserting that the federal government has fallen short of its constitutional duties to protect the southern border.
Hes specifically citing the U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3, which says, in part, no state shall, without the consent of Congress, keep troops in time of peace unless actually invaded.
Read more: https://www.cbs7.com/2024/01/26/texas-governor-ignores-supreme-court-ruling-adds-more-razor-wire-border/
zanana1
(6,488 posts)Ignoring subpoenas and Supreme Court decisions. I think they're diving into dictatorship a little early.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)He's asserted state rule over federal throughout his political career. When he was AG, all he did was file nuisance lawsuits against the Obama administration, claiming state authority on myriad issues, and then brag about it.
kelly1mm
(5,756 posts)remove the Texas installed razor wire. It DID NOT say that Texas could not install razor wire. The SC order was extremely limited in scope. Texas in installing new razor wire is not in violation of the recent SC order.
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Polybius
(21,900 posts)Since Dobbs let states decide and not the federal government, who would do the ignoring?
Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)Especially if GQP gets the national ban they intend enforce. And we need to allow red state women to go to blue state clinics without prison time.
But I am just a man, why should I care? :
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)The ruling didn't keep them from allowing abortion.
And the red states have no desire to ignore the ruling.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,235 posts)The ruling didnt say he couldnt deploy razor wire, only that he couldnt interfere with CBP removing the wire.
We shall see how this unfolds.
angrychair
(12,284 posts)It said the border was sole purview of the federal government and that the state of Texas cannot control that border nor bar the government (CBP) from doing their job.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,235 posts)Abbott is doing the equivalent of the two siblings on a long car trip...
"I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you..."
He's trying to provoke Biden into overreacting, or at least buying some more time in court.
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)I'd refer them all to DOJ and make all but Abbott, Paxton and Trump unindicted coconspirators. I'd Federalize the National Guards involved and put everyone on alert.
I can't see where delaying the confrontation for the election will do any good. They should simply arrest Abbot, Paxton and Trump for inciting an insurrection. I like Biden's calm manners, but at the very least, investigate Trump for what he said. He's already saying crap about "election interference" and being prosecuted, so let's make it real for him.
Those other Governors can be arrested, too. "Make Everyone Get Attorneys" works for me. They can fight over who gets Alina Habba.
limbicnuminousity
(1,416 posts)MEGA-MAGA has a nice ring to it.
kelly1mm
(5,756 posts)Seeking Serenity
(3,322 posts)That was just revenge pr0n. A fantasy. DU has long attracted a certain segment of Democrats who fantasise about extreme or violent remedies against the minority party
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)I fantasize about violent remedies? I admit, I won't care if Biden sends a tank or two down South, but I have already said that it would be a horror for Texas State Guards to face off against Fed troops.
Don't put words in my mouth. This is a big problem, has another insurrection written all over it, and is stunning in the implications.
And, I wouldn't hesitate to name 25 governors unindicted coconspirators if it came to that. Trump did this. He needs to go to jail, and so does anyone who helps him.
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)to Texas to face off against Fed troops, they should be arrested. No one is above the law. The President controls the borders and makes immigration policy, NOT those governors.
I'm sure Biden will solve the problem according to what YOU think should happen, but we are just spectators.
This is a contrived emergency started by Trump for Trump's benefit. He openly commanded the bipartisan problem solvers to NOT solve the problem. Gee, what a guy...
Igel
(37,535 posts)It wasn't a ruling. It was an order. (Like "It wasn't a novel. It was a graffiti."
Court of original jurisdiction said, "Sure, you want to cut the wire, go ahead, cut the wire."
Appellate court said, "Injunction. You can't cut."
SCOTUS said, "Injunction . What the appellate court said ... that's revoked." Why? Nobody said.
Which means nobody said. Full stop. Stop fully.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/court-allows-border-patrol-to-cut-texas-razor-wire-along-rio-grande/
In a brief, unsigned order, the justices lifted an order by a federal appeals court that had barred Border Patrol agents from interfering with the wire except in medical emergencies. Four justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh indicated that they would have denied the Biden administrations request and allowed the lower courts order to remain in place
That is all. The thousands of other words are spin, interpretation, imputations, assumptions, assertions, claims and other evidence-baseless utterances.
I would happily link to the published order because original documents squash all the bloviation about what the original documents say, but https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/ordersofthecourt/24 indicates that the SCOTUS website is a wee bit out of date. SCOTUS does ride a large-ish lake of bureaucracy, after all.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Polybius
(21,900 posts)Seeking Serenity
(3,322 posts)The Grand Illuminist
(2,040 posts)That is the most unfortunate part. One does not have to condone what could possibly be, yet hopefully not, the inevitable.
Seeking Serenity
(3,322 posts)The Grand Illuminist
(2,040 posts)You're either all in or you stay out. All other choices were tried and failed. That's the hell of it. And these are very desperate times we are living in now.
kelly1mm
(5,756 posts)snipers to target National Guard troops and/or state law enforcement?
cbabe
(6,647 posts)workers choosing to ignore Supreme Court. Arrest them?
Polybius
(21,900 posts)They said that Texas must allow the federal government to access the area. Once they access the area, they can cut it down. But the loophole is that Texas can keep putting more up.
Comfortably_Numb
(4,188 posts)FBaggins
(28,706 posts)They just said that ther border patrol was permitted to cut the wire if they needed access to do their duties.
In fact - it didn't really say even that much. It just lifted a temporary ban on the border patrol cutting those wires while the 5th circuit hears the case. The 5th might rule in just a few weeks in a manner similar to their temporary injunction.
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)Boycott the crap out of them. Don't drive there, don't layover on a flight (Texas gets taxes and landing fees from YOUR fare), don't give anything texas a penny.
LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)somebody should wheel him to the front lines in Ukraine.
A person unlawfully crossing the border is simple trespassing, and the Constitution says fuck all about States deploying armies to stop that.
Chi67
(1,285 posts)...just like they did in Waco. This needs to end sooner not later.
Polybius
(21,900 posts)Waco was a disaster.
EX500rider
(12,583 posts)DBoon
(24,983 posts)It is a major offense to all white patriots to do the same to a White religious cult in rural Texas.
Seeking Serenity
(3,322 posts)Decision to bomb MOVE's HQ (resulting in massive, unacceptable collateral damage) was ok.
DBoon
(24,983 posts)and justified it because "those people were living in filthy conditions". .
Waco is a rallying cry for the right. Move has almost been forgotten. I think the reason is obvious for the difference in the enduring legacy of the two.
Seeking Serenity
(3,322 posts)IMO, the administration has mishandled this situation. To non-hardcore Democrats, this looks like the administration wants this massive flow of people flooding the border to happen. And so Texas, which is directly affected by all this, is taking the actions that (non-hardcore Democratic) people wish the federal government would take.
DBoon
(24,983 posts)Which are reducing the flow of immigration.
The actions are simply not dramatic enough to make prime time news, and do not involve gratuitous cruelty to border crossers
The gratuitous cruelty is what people like Abbot want -the more children forced back into the river to drown the better
former9thward
(33,424 posts)U.S. border authorities encountered more immigrants in December 2023 than any month on record, blowing past alarming records set previously in the Biden administration.
More than 371,000 non-U.S. citizens were stopped when they attempted to enter the United States last month, including those who walked across without permission, lacked proper documents to pass through ports of entry, or were paroled in from abroad, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data released Friday evening. The previous record of 341,392 was set in August 2023.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2819005/immigrant-encounters-border-surpassed-all-time-record-december/
DBoon
(24,983 posts)Source: AP
Updated 1:21 AM EST, January 7, 2024
EAGLE PASS, Texas (AP) Daniel Bermudezs family had fled Venezuela and was headed to the U.S. to seek asylum when the freight train they were riding through Mexico was stopped by immigration officials.
His wife tried to explain that her family had permission to go to the U.S. Instead, they flew her to Mexicos southern border as part of a surge of enforcement actions that U.S. officials say have contributed to a sharp drop in illegal border crossings.
In addition to forcing migrants from trains, Mexico also resumed flying and busing them to the southern part of the country and started flying some home to Venezuela.
Even if temporary, the decrease in illegal crossings is welcome news for the White House. President Joe Bidens administration is locked in talks with Senate negotiators over restricting asylum and $110 billion in aid for Ukraine and Israel hangs in the balance.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/mexico-immigration-enforcement-crossings-drop-b67022cf0853dca95a8e0799bb99b68a
as posted in DU: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143176701
BTW, the Washington Examiner is a notorious right wing rag. It should not be used as a credible source of information here.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)What are the true figures?
Mexico always promises "better enforcement" when the topic of immigration heats up in the U.S. And then it stops the enforcement. Even what you quoted points that out when it says "Even if temporary".
Freethinker65
(11,203 posts)If there are no consequences for Abbott to defy the Court, there should most definitely be no consequences if Biden defies the Court.
In fact, just shut the Court down, and fracture the ties that bind this country's government together because Abbott wants to up his conservative cruelty creds.
kelly1mm
(5,756 posts)from removing the Texas installed razor wire was no longer in effect. It did not say that Texas could not continue to install additional razor wire, just that the Border patrol could remove it if they wish.
walkingman
(10,863 posts)Novara
(6,115 posts)Biden can send the US Marshals out to arrest Abbott but you know he won't. He can also federalize the national guard, which he really needs to be doing like yesterday. The longer Abbott gets away with ignoring federal laws and federal jurisdiction the worse it looks for Biden.
The borders of the US are Federal responsibility and who gives a shit if Abbott doesn't like it? We can't have governors deciding which laws they want to abide by because they don't like the current president. The motherfucker should be arrested by the US Marshals.