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Polybius

(21,900 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 12:45 PM Jan 2024

Texas governor ignores Supreme Court ruling, adds more razor wire to border

Source: CBS

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is doubling down on his border initiatives after being dealt a blow from the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this week.

Texas and Abbott are making it no secret they’re putting in more razor wire at the southern border just days after the high court gave the go-ahead to the federal government to remove the wire.

In a lengthy statement, Abbott is reiterating arguments he’s cited before, asserting that the federal government has fallen short of its constitutional duties to protect the southern border.

He’s specifically citing the U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3, which says, in part, “no state shall, without the consent of Congress, keep troops in time of peace unless actually invaded.”

Read more: https://www.cbs7.com/2024/01/26/texas-governor-ignores-supreme-court-ruling-adds-more-razor-wire-border/

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Texas governor ignores Supreme Court ruling, adds more razor wire to border (Original Post) Polybius Jan 2024 OP
So I guess that's the way it's going to be now. zanana1 Jan 2024 #1
Abbott has always been like this. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #2
Technically the SC order only lifted the stay saying that the Border Patrol COULD NOT kelly1mm Jan 2024 #34
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #3
"Ignor (sic) the abortion ruling" Polybius Jan 2024 #4
Blue states Traildogbob Jan 2024 #5
There's nothing for the blue states to ignore FBaggins Jan 2024 #11
He's threading the needle Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #6
Not really what the ruling said angrychair Jan 2024 #14
Like I said, he's threading the needle Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #16
What is over reacting? EndlessWire Jan 2024 #22
"Make Everyone Get Attorneys" limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #25
So your solution is to arrest approximately 25 Governors? Yeah I am not so sure that is a good idea. nt kelly1mm Jan 2024 #35
That wasn't a serious post Seeking Serenity Jan 2024 #38
Oh, yeah? EndlessWire Jan 2024 #40
If 25 governors mobilize their troops and send them EndlessWire Jan 2024 #42
The order revoked an injunction. Igel Jan 2024 #18
If it was me, I would have a sniper or two out there. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #7
And target who? Polybius Jan 2024 #20
Yay, Democrats are all about violence and killing now! Seeking Serenity Jan 2024 #23
But there may not be a choice in the matter. The Grand Illuminist Jan 2024 #30
There is ALWAYS a choice to eschew violence and killing Seeking Serenity Jan 2024 #31
Right now those choices are.... The Grand Illuminist Jan 2024 #44
Are you actually suggesting you have a federal law enforcement agency deploy kelly1mm Jan 2024 #36
Abbott is not himself installing the razor wire. Complicit cbabe Jan 2024 #8
The Supreme Court didn't say that Texas couldn't put up razor wire Polybius Jan 2024 #12
Fucking tree half-assed the job... Comfortably_Numb Jan 2024 #9
TX isn't "ignoring" a SCOTUS ruling, because SCOTUS didn't rule that they can't install razor wire FBaggins Jan 2024 #10
Wow. Fuck texas ArkansasDemocrat1 Jan 2024 #13
If Abbott wants to see what an invasion looks like,... LudwigPastorius Jan 2024 #15
Send the Feds in... Chi67 Jan 2024 #17
Biden won't do that Polybius Jan 2024 #19
Yeah it was a cluster from start to finish IMO EX500rider Jan 2024 #21
because while it was OK to kill a Black religious cult in urban Philadelphia DBoon Jan 2024 #26
I don't know of anyone today who thinks the then-mayor of Philly's Seeking Serenity Jan 2024 #32
I read postings by right wing militia types near the time who downplayed the bombing DBoon Jan 2024 #33
This crisis was completely preventable Seeking Serenity Jan 2024 #24
The Biden administration *is* taking actions at the border DBoon Jan 2024 #27
Immigration is at record levels. former9thward Jan 2024 #41
The US sees a drop in illegal border crossings after Mexico increases enforcement DBoon Jan 2024 #43
Are you saying the government figures reported are lies? former9thward Jan 2024 #45
Biden ignores SCOTUS and voids many recent State anti reproductive health laws, forgives student loans... Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #28
He is not defying the SC. The SC ruling only said the stay that prevented the Border Patrol kelly1mm Jan 2024 #37
Texas sucks in so many ways. walkingman Jan 2024 #29
States do not have the power to nullify federal laws. Full stop. Novara Jan 2024 #39

zanana1

(6,488 posts)
1. So I guess that's the way it's going to be now.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 12:47 PM
Jan 2024

Ignoring subpoenas and Supreme Court decisions. I think they're diving into dictatorship a little early.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
2. Abbott has always been like this.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jan 2024

He's asserted state rule over federal throughout his political career. When he was AG, all he did was file nuisance lawsuits against the Obama administration, claiming state authority on myriad issues, and then brag about it.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
34. Technically the SC order only lifted the stay saying that the Border Patrol COULD NOT
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:18 PM
Jan 2024

remove the Texas installed razor wire. It DID NOT say that Texas could not install razor wire. The SC order was extremely limited in scope. Texas in installing new razor wire is not in violation of the recent SC order.

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
4. "Ignor (sic) the abortion ruling"
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 01:02 PM
Jan 2024

Since Dobbs let states decide and not the federal government, who would do the ignoring?

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
5. Blue states
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 01:14 PM
Jan 2024

Especially if GQP gets the national ban they intend enforce. And we need to allow red state women to go to blue state clinics without prison time.
But I am just a man, why should I care? :


FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
11. There's nothing for the blue states to ignore
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 02:20 PM
Jan 2024

The ruling didn't keep them from allowing abortion.

And the red states have no desire to ignore the ruling.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,235 posts)
6. He's threading the needle
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 01:16 PM
Jan 2024

The ruling didn’t say he couldn’t deploy razor wire, only that he couldn’t interfere with CBP removing the wire.

We shall see how this unfolds.

angrychair

(12,284 posts)
14. Not really what the ruling said
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 03:21 PM
Jan 2024

It said the border was sole purview of the federal government and that the state of Texas cannot control that border nor bar the government (CBP) from doing their job.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,235 posts)
16. Like I said, he's threading the needle
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 04:05 PM
Jan 2024

Abbott is doing the equivalent of the two siblings on a long car trip...

"I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you..."

He's trying to provoke Biden into overreacting, or at least buying some more time in court.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
22. What is over reacting?
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 03:27 PM
Jan 2024

I'd refer them all to DOJ and make all but Abbott, Paxton and Trump unindicted coconspirators. I'd Federalize the National Guards involved and put everyone on alert.

I can't see where delaying the confrontation for the election will do any good. They should simply arrest Abbot, Paxton and Trump for inciting an insurrection. I like Biden's calm manners, but at the very least, investigate Trump for what he said. He's already saying crap about "election interference" and being prosecuted, so let's make it real for him.

Those other Governors can be arrested, too. "Make Everyone Get Attorneys" works for me. They can fight over who gets Alina Habba.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
35. So your solution is to arrest approximately 25 Governors? Yeah I am not so sure that is a good idea. nt
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:20 PM
Jan 2024

Seeking Serenity

(3,322 posts)
38. That wasn't a serious post
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jan 2024

That was just revenge pr0n. A fantasy. DU has long attracted a certain segment of Democrats who fantasise about extreme or violent remedies against the minority party

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
40. Oh, yeah?
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 11:03 PM
Jan 2024

I fantasize about violent remedies? I admit, I won't care if Biden sends a tank or two down South, but I have already said that it would be a horror for Texas State Guards to face off against Fed troops.

Don't put words in my mouth. This is a big problem, has another insurrection written all over it, and is stunning in the implications.

And, I wouldn't hesitate to name 25 governors unindicted coconspirators if it came to that. Trump did this. He needs to go to jail, and so does anyone who helps him.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
42. If 25 governors mobilize their troops and send them
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 11:11 PM
Jan 2024

to Texas to face off against Fed troops, they should be arrested. No one is above the law. The President controls the borders and makes immigration policy, NOT those governors.

I'm sure Biden will solve the problem according to what YOU think should happen, but we are just spectators.

This is a contrived emergency started by Trump for Trump's benefit. He openly commanded the bipartisan problem solvers to NOT solve the problem. Gee, what a guy...

Igel

(37,535 posts)
18. The order revoked an injunction.
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 07:38 PM
Jan 2024

It wasn't a ruling. It was an order. (Like "It wasn't a novel. It was a graffiti.&quot

Court of original jurisdiction said, "Sure, you want to cut the wire, go ahead, cut the wire."

Appellate court said, "Injunction. You can't cut."

SCOTUS said, "Injunction . What the appellate court said ... that's revoked." Why? Nobody said.

Which means nobody said. Full stop. Stop fully.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/court-allows-border-patrol-to-cut-texas-razor-wire-along-rio-grande/

In a brief, unsigned order, the justices lifted an order by a federal appeals court that had barred Border Patrol agents from interfering with the wire except in medical emergencies. Four justices – Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh – indicated that they would have denied the Biden administration’s request and allowed the lower court’s order to remain in place


That is all. The thousands of other words are spin, interpretation, imputations, assumptions, assertions, claims and other evidence-baseless utterances.

I would happily link to the published order because original documents squash all the bloviation about what the original documents say, but https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/ordersofthecourt/24 indicates that the SCOTUS website is a wee bit out of date. SCOTUS does ride a large-ish lake of bureaucracy, after all.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,040 posts)
30. But there may not be a choice in the matter.
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 07:45 PM
Jan 2024

That is the most unfortunate part. One does not have to condone what could possibly be, yet hopefully not, the inevitable.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,040 posts)
44. Right now those choices are....
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 09:25 AM
Jan 2024

You're either all in or you stay out. All other choices were tried and failed. That's the hell of it. And these are very desperate times we are living in now.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
36. Are you actually suggesting you have a federal law enforcement agency deploy
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:23 PM
Jan 2024

snipers to target National Guard troops and/or state law enforcement?

cbabe

(6,647 posts)
8. Abbott is not himself installing the razor wire. Complicit
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 02:10 PM
Jan 2024

workers choosing to ignore Supreme Court. Arrest them?

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
12. The Supreme Court didn't say that Texas couldn't put up razor wire
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 02:25 PM
Jan 2024

They said that Texas must allow the federal government to access the area. Once they access the area, they can cut it down. But the loophole is that Texas can keep putting more up.

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
10. TX isn't "ignoring" a SCOTUS ruling, because SCOTUS didn't rule that they can't install razor wire
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 02:17 PM
Jan 2024

They just said that ther border patrol was permitted to cut the wire if they needed access to do their duties.

In fact - it didn't really say even that much. It just lifted a temporary ban on the border patrol cutting those wires while the 5th circuit hears the case. The 5th might rule in just a few weeks in a manner similar to their temporary injunction.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
13. Wow. Fuck texas
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 02:51 PM
Jan 2024

Boycott the crap out of them. Don't drive there, don't layover on a flight (Texas gets taxes and landing fees from YOUR fare), don't give anything texas a penny.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
15. If Abbott wants to see what an invasion looks like,...
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 03:31 PM
Jan 2024

somebody should wheel him to the front lines in Ukraine.

A person unlawfully crossing the border is simple trespassing, and the Constitution says fuck all about States deploying armies to stop that.

DBoon

(24,983 posts)
26. because while it was OK to kill a Black religious cult in urban Philadelphia
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 07:17 PM
Jan 2024

It is a major offense to all white patriots to do the same to a White religious cult in rural Texas.

Seeking Serenity

(3,322 posts)
32. I don't know of anyone today who thinks the then-mayor of Philly's
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:05 PM
Jan 2024

Decision to bomb MOVE's HQ (resulting in massive, unacceptable collateral damage) was ok.

DBoon

(24,983 posts)
33. I read postings by right wing militia types near the time who downplayed the bombing
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:09 PM
Jan 2024

and justified it because "those people were living in filthy conditions". .

Waco is a rallying cry for the right. Move has almost been forgotten. I think the reason is obvious for the difference in the enduring legacy of the two.

Seeking Serenity

(3,322 posts)
24. This crisis was completely preventable
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 06:06 PM
Jan 2024

IMO, the administration has mishandled this situation. To non-hardcore Democrats, this looks like the administration wants this massive flow of people flooding the border to happen. And so Texas, which is directly affected by all this, is taking the actions that (non-hardcore Democratic) people wish the federal government would take.

DBoon

(24,983 posts)
27. The Biden administration *is* taking actions at the border
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 07:20 PM
Jan 2024

Which are reducing the flow of immigration.

The actions are simply not dramatic enough to make prime time news, and do not involve gratuitous cruelty to border crossers

The gratuitous cruelty is what people like Abbot want -the more children forced back into the river to drown the better

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
41. Immigration is at record levels.
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 11:04 PM
Jan 2024
Migrant encounters at border surpassed all-time record in December: 371,000 people

U.S. border authorities encountered more immigrants in December 2023 than any month on record, blowing past alarming records set previously in the Biden administration.

More than 371,000 non-U.S. citizens were stopped when they attempted to enter the United States last month, including those who walked across without permission, lacked proper documents to pass through ports of entry, or were paroled in from abroad, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data released Friday evening. The previous record of 341,392 was set in August 2023.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2819005/immigrant-encounters-border-surpassed-all-time-record-december/

DBoon

(24,983 posts)
43. The US sees a drop in illegal border crossings after Mexico increases enforcement
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:33 AM
Jan 2024

Source: AP

Updated 1:21 AM EST, January 7, 2024


EAGLE PASS, Texas (AP) — Daniel Bermudez’s family had fled Venezuela and was headed to the U.S. to seek asylum when the freight train they were riding through Mexico was stopped by immigration officials.

His wife tried to explain that her family had permission to go to the U.S. Instead, they flew her to Mexico’s southern border as part of a surge of enforcement actions that U.S. officials say have contributed to a sharp drop in illegal border crossings.

In addition to forcing migrants from trains, Mexico also resumed flying and busing them to the southern part of the country and started flying some home to Venezuela.

Even if temporary, the decrease in illegal crossings is welcome news for the White House. President Joe Biden’s administration is locked in talks with Senate negotiators over restricting asylum and $110 billion in aid for Ukraine and Israel hangs in the balance.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/mexico-immigration-enforcement-crossings-drop-b67022cf0853dca95a8e0799bb99b68a

as posted in DU: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143176701

BTW, the Washington Examiner is a notorious right wing rag. It should not be used as a credible source of information here.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
45. Are you saying the government figures reported are lies?
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 10:26 AM
Jan 2024

What are the true figures?

Mexico always promises "better enforcement" when the topic of immigration heats up in the U.S. And then it stops the enforcement. Even what you quoted points that out when it says "Even if temporary".

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
28. Biden ignores SCOTUS and voids many recent State anti reproductive health laws, forgives student loans...
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 07:20 PM
Jan 2024

If there are no consequences for Abbott to defy the Court, there should most definitely be no consequences if Biden defies the Court.

In fact, just shut the Court down, and fracture the ties that bind this country's government together because Abbott wants to up his conservative cruelty creds.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
37. He is not defying the SC. The SC ruling only said the stay that prevented the Border Patrol
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:27 PM
Jan 2024

from removing the Texas installed razor wire was no longer in effect. It did not say that Texas could not continue to install additional razor wire, just that the Border patrol could remove it if they wish.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
39. States do not have the power to nullify federal laws. Full stop.
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:56 PM
Jan 2024

Biden can send the US Marshals out to arrest Abbott but you know he won't. He can also federalize the national guard, which he really needs to be doing like yesterday. The longer Abbott gets away with ignoring federal laws and federal jurisdiction the worse it looks for Biden.

The borders of the US are Federal responsibility and who gives a shit if Abbott doesn't like it? We can't have governors deciding which laws they want to abide by because they don't like the current president. The motherfucker should be arrested by the US Marshals.

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