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(93,129 posts)
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:02 AM Feb 12

Two Cases. Two Judges. One High-Stakes Week for Trump.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: New York Times

In two courthouses, two blocks apart, two New York judges could well ruin Donald J. Trump’s week.

On Thursday, one of the judges, Juan M. Merchan, may schedule the first criminal trial of a former American president for as early as next month — raising the specter that Mr. Trump might end up behind bars.

The following day, according to two people with knowledge of the matter, the second judge is expected to deliver a ruling that threatens not Mr. Trump’s freedom, but his family business. The judge, Arthur F. Engoron, oversaw the former president’s civil fraud trial and is weighing the New York attorney general’s request to penalize Mr. Trump hundreds of millions of dollars and sever him from the company he ran for decades.

The dual threats represent a turning point in Mr. Trump’s legal odyssey, a week that could reshape his personal and presidential fortunes as he marches toward the Republican nomination. Justice Engoron’s ruling could drain Mr. Trump’s cash coffers, and if the former president ultimately leaves Justice Merchan’s courtroom as a felon, it would send the country’s already bitter politics into uncharted realms.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/nyregion/trump-civil-criminal-trial.html

Can someone explain how this article is helping elect Donald Trump? Because I've been reliably informed that the NYT has gone full MAGA.
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(2,119 posts)
1. Editorial board and headline writers are generally kid gloves with TFG and harsh on Biden
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:09 AM
Feb 12

Notice HIgh Stakes and not "POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING" in the headline.

If he gets hit with 300-500 million and total dissolution of the Trump Org in NY and is unable to deal real estate there, it would be devastating.


(12,326 posts)
5. You are correct double standards.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:42 AM
Feb 12


(42,069 posts)
2. These are badges of honor and machismo to the MAGA mind.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:12 AM
Feb 12

Nothing juices their loins like the risk and bravado of the chance to beat very big raps. The needed vehicle is publicity.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,413 posts)
3. It is not about the NYT going "full MAGA"
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:35 AM
Feb 12

It is about them re-playing the Anti-Hillary campaign against Biden. They are all over themselves reporting every little stumble Biden makes, while ignoring the fusillade of insanity coming from Trump.

Also, compare and contrast how they soft-pedaled the latest on Trump's call for Russia to attack NATO.



(14,300 posts)
6. Not sure about that. I think "Favoring Foes Over Friends" is a punchy, attention getting header with...
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:52 AM
Feb 12

NATO (re: Allies) info right in the Sub headline.


(20,372 posts)
4. Hitler protected his workers from asbestos because he knew the dangers.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:36 AM
Feb 12

Hitler also had a fantastic anti-smoking program.

Next question.


(14,300 posts)
7. As for the judges - oh, please, please, please - bring him down
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:54 AM
Feb 12


(2,756 posts)
8. See??? They don't ALWAYS bash Biden
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 12:02 PM
Feb 12

Apparently any criticism of the NYT is unacceptable to you.

But the fact that it occasionally prints a story that does not present Trump as tan, manly, and full of vim and vigor is not proof that it has no bias.

But you're a smart guy. You already knew that.


(93,129 posts)
10. Perhaps you missed this thread...
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:14 PM
Feb 12


(2,756 posts)
13. I didn't
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 02:58 PM
Feb 12

But I have no real idea why you might think I did.

That thread is about The NYT's Biden-bashing.

Oddly, it's not just the opinion of the lesser mortals who opine on this website: There are a number of people who have reputations saying The Times is Biden bashing.

You now post an OP where The NYT reports something not quite heroic about Mr President Trump Sir and seem to think it demonstrates that The NYT is fair and balanced.

I think you are being a little silly.


(407 posts)
9. My perspective/opinion FWIW
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 12:06 PM
Feb 12

The tone of the piece is expressing how the two Judges are THREATENING the defendants freedom, livelihood and ability to do business in NYC. It suggests that these are capricious decision by the Judges because nowhere does it explain that a) a grand jury of impaneled citizens agreed to bring charges and b) that the defendant had been found guilty by a jury of conducting his business in a criminal manner. The tone makes it seem as if the Judges might be acting out of some personal grievance they have towards the defendant. The phrase "as he marches toward the Republican nomination" elicits the feeling that these actions by the Judges are somehow politically motivated to obstruct said march, even though both crimes occurred before the defendant was running for office or holding office.

Hope that helps to provide a little food or thought. How something is written, the tone, communicates as effectively as what is being written, the subject.


(19,646 posts)
11. Fingers crossed Judge sets dates for hush money trial and we get Jugdge Engoron's ruling for NY Fraud trial. The
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:22 PM
Feb 12

gravy on top would be if SCOTUS decides they will not hear the immunity case and Judge Chutkan gets to reset the date for the Federal Election Interference case.


(2,568 posts)
12. I personally have little faith with the hush money case.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:58 PM
Feb 12

I know how it's being presented -- as an obstruction and part of the coup plot, not just centered around "hush money" to a prostitute. But, for the life of me, I can't see any other way that the jury is really going to hear this case. The scandal is just too "in your face" with this one. I know where Bragg is coming from, I applaud his effort. But people are people. I've always heard New Yorkers are a different breed; I'm hoping they prove me wrong on this, and the critical thinking needed to move this forward as part of the coup can reach them on that level, and be adjudicated appropriately without falling into the titillation morass.

Second, I thought Engoron's case is civil only. Yes, it could (and hopefully will) strip trump of much of his ill gotten gains, as well as strip him of any right to make the same criminal moves again (at least in NY). Heck, it would be nice to see Mar a Lago as part of the disgorgement, since he's not suppose to be using it as a residence, anyway! But jail? I didn't think that was even part of this conversation. Am I wrong?

Omaha Steve

(98,466 posts)
14. AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 03:18 PM
Feb 12


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