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BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 08:38 AM Feb 21

Trump is racking up $2.6 million in interest for every month that he hasn't paid his $355 million fine

Source: Business Insider

Feb 20, 2024, 11:25 PM EST


Former President Donald Trump has been ordered to pay interest for the $355 million in penalties from the New York case against him, and it's likely already added about $100 million to his total fine. Judge Arthur Engoron ruled on Friday that Trump's total amount owed would also include a 9% per annum interest accrued from as early as March 2019. If the former president paid in full today, it should cost him around $450 million.

Trump's total fine stems from three different penalties that were dated separately. The first involves $168 million that Trump saved in interest through fraud from March 2019. He will have to pay the 9% per annum interest for that amount, in line with state law, resulting in an extra $75 million so far.

The second penalty is over the $126 million profit that Trump received from selling the Old Post Office in Washington, DC, which Engoron ruled was done using financial documents containing false information. Trump will have to pay interest on this dating back to May 2022, which is currently $20 million. The third is $60 million from Trump's profits in the sale of Ferry Point, a golf course in the Bronx, which prosecutors said he pulled off by inflating his assets. The interest on this penalty began in June 2023, and so far costs Trump around $3.5 million.

Trump now stands to lose about $32 million from interest per year if he does not clear his $355 million disgorgement. That's about $87,500 per day, $1 million every 12 days, or $2.66 million per month. In a Friday post on X celebrating Engoron's ruling, New York Attorney General Letitia James cited $450 million in penalties and interest. "Trump, Donald Trump, Jr., Eric Trump, and his former executives must pay over $450 million in disgorgement and interest," she wrote.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-interest-355-million-fine-fraud-new-york-engoron-2024-2

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Trump is racking up $2.6 million in interest for every month that he hasn't paid his $355 million fine (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 21 OP
Doesn't he only have 30 days to either pay the tine or put the fine in escrow for an appeal? Novara Feb 21 #1
From what I heard EYESORE 9001 Feb 21 #2
Heh. Novara Feb 21 #4
He can put up a "surety bond" (as I believe it's called) BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #7
And doesn't a judge get to decide whether that is acceptable, and how much? Novara Feb 21 #8
I expect so BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #11
Putin has that much.... SergeStorms Feb 21 #14
Can he though? GregariousGroundhog Feb 21 #16
Remember that when he went storming out of NY and moved his "official residence" to FL BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #17
It can't be from a New York bank FakeNoose Feb 21 #30
He changed his residency back in 2019 and no longer "lives" there BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #38
Better start pumping out that merchandise... EarthFirst Feb 21 #3
He's negotiating... 2naSalit Feb 21 #5
Very likely. Quid pro quo is back on the menu boys. FailureToCommunicate Feb 21 #9
Time for... 2naSalit Feb 21 #10
Putin may have homegirl Feb 21 #22
As of this AM, they've raised $820k on GoFundMe after 5 days. Normally, that'd be a huge haul. TheRickles Feb 21 #6
Yes. It'll pay the interest for a month or two until he gets the $4 billion from the shady Truth Social Scrivener7 Feb 21 #13
I've read InstantGratification Feb 21 #27
Yeah I heard that Truth Social was going under gab13by13 Feb 21 #29
But would Deutsche Bank let him borrow against it? I think they have let him put up his discarded tissues for Scrivener7 Feb 21 #37
That's a lot of sneakers to sell! dutch777 Feb 21 #12
Trump doesn't care how much he owes, and never has. Chainfire Feb 21 #15
What if he just doesn't pay his fine? zanana1 Feb 21 #18
The NY AG indicated what she would do BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #19
Thank you. zanana1 Feb 21 #20
Most werlcome! BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #21
The sneaker grift Mz Pip Feb 21 #23
Trump has no intention whatsoever Mr.Bill Feb 21 #24
Way back, the judge already put someone in place to manage the organization BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #25
I thought I read the judge Mr.Bill Feb 21 #31
The bans (his and his sons) were relatively short BumRushDaShow Feb 21 #39
Yes, I have heard that also. n/t Mr.Bill Feb 21 #40
I think they changed the 9% to 2%. Scrivener7 Feb 21 #26
I had posted to that effect yesterday InstantGratification Feb 21 #28
Ooooohhhh! How nice! Thanks for the info. Scrivener7 Feb 21 #35
It would have been ironic that they would lower the interest rate Mr.Bill Feb 21 #36
That makes me feel good Mysterian Feb 21 #32
PHAIJ BaronChocula Feb 21 #33
Should be no problem for a billionaire IronLionZion Feb 21 #34

Novara

(5,843 posts)
4. Heh.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 08:50 AM
Feb 21

Early morning schadenfreude is a wonderful thing.

I believe the judge CAN determine that he only has to pay a portion of that as "bond" for an appeal, or does that only pertain to civil lawsuits?

BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
7. He can put up a "surety bond" (as I believe it's called)
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:01 AM
Feb 21

but would have to find someone willing to guarantee that amount of $$$ and he'll need to put up whatever fee they charge to do that.

Novara

(5,843 posts)
8. And doesn't a judge get to decide whether that is acceptable, and how much?
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:06 AM
Feb 21

I mean, it's not a sure thing.

BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
11. I expect so
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:16 AM
Feb 21

He put up the initial (full amount) $5 million for E. Jean Carroll and may have done the same for the 2nd $83 million judgement, but for this... it will be a struggle. His ditzy lawyer claimed he was prepared to put up a $400 million bond. I also saw some trial speculation put out there about the Truth Social merge and getting $$$ from that.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
14. Putin has that much....
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:48 AM
Feb 21

in petty cash. I don't believe the source of where the money comes from is subject to public knowledge. Some greasy pal of Trump's will probably step forward and pony up the money, but it'll cost Trump (or the U.S. intelligence community) dearly. Trump would trade the country's deepest secrets for the money in a heartbeat. If he hasn't already.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,523 posts)
16. Can he though?
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 11:11 AM
Feb 21

He's is banned for a couple of years from borrowing money from entities regulated by New York's Department of Financial Services. Wouldn't a bond be a type of loan?

BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
17. Remember that when he went storming out of NY and moved his "official residence" to FL
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 11:46 AM
Feb 21
https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-trump-moved-york-florida-presidential-home-security/story?id=66826563

he probably took some assets from NY to FL (that weren't already there). Plus he has golf courses and other stuff scattered around the country (and world).






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The bond is a guarantee that the full amount of the judgement will be paid if the appeals don't pan out. It's not really a loan but the person guaranteeing is on the hook for the full amount if the person being bonded skips out. If the appeal is successful, the bond company still keeps their fee.

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
30. It can't be from a New York bank
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:04 PM
Feb 21

He's banned from doing business in the entire state. I think that rules out Wall Street stockbrokers too, am I right?

BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
38. He changed his residency back in 2019 and no longer "lives" there
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 06:03 PM
Feb 21

so he can just get some rich GOP loon or even foreigner living in Florida (his "official residence" ) to pay for it.

2naSalit

(86,645 posts)
5. He's negotiating...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 08:57 AM
Feb 21

A "deal" with pooty and the muskrat, maybe the saudis. Some group or individual will bail him out.

That is where the feds had better be on top of the transactions.

homegirl

(1,429 posts)
22. Putin may have
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 12:40 PM
Feb 21

no further use for Donald and be OK with a twenty year sentence to Leavenworth. The American taxpayers will feed and house his useful idiot, keep him silent and Vlad can wash his hands of the entire Trump Episode!

TheRickles

(2,065 posts)
6. As of this AM, they've raised $820k on GoFundMe after 5 days. Normally, that'd be a huge haul.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 08:57 AM
Feb 21

But in this case it barely keeps up with interest payments, and will require years to raise the full amount (it's too early in the morning for me to do the math, but it looks like about 12 years). Maybe the sneaker sales will put him over the top - yeah, sneaker sales, that's the ticket.

Scrivener7

(50,954 posts)
13. Yes. It'll pay the interest for a month or two until he gets the $4 billion from the shady Truth Social
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:09 AM
Feb 21

merger of two valueless companies.

27. I've read
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 01:31 PM
Feb 21

that the 4 billion is a paper transaction, not cash. His stock holdings would be worth about 4 billion. Also, he can't sell the stock right away. He has to hold it for at least 6 months before he could sell. In the meantime, there are still investigations into the company that could tank the valuation. I would imagine a guilty verdict in the hush money case would impact the stock price too. It's too early for Donnie Dimwit to start counting that money.

gab13by13

(21,352 posts)
29. Yeah I heard that Truth Social was going under
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 01:54 PM
Feb 21

and now it is going public and making trump billions. Who is doing the investigation, Garland?

Scrivener7

(50,954 posts)
37. But would Deutsche Bank let him borrow against it? I think they have let him put up his discarded tissues for
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 05:54 PM
Feb 21

collateral in the past.

zanana1

(6,122 posts)
18. What if he just doesn't pay his fine?
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 11:48 AM
Feb 21

He's ignored his debts before. Would he be jailed if he doesn't pay this fine?

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
24. Trump has no intention whatsoever
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 01:13 PM
Feb 21

of paying one penny of that fine. Will they confiscate his properties? That will be a court battle that will take five years. He will die of natural causes before anything happens.

BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
25. Way back, the judge already put someone in place to manage the organization
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 01:18 PM
Feb 21

They are re-doing the arrangements now that the "ban" is for 3 years. Regardless, the entity is under court supervision.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
31. I thought I read the judge
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:35 PM
Feb 21

cancelled the ban because he was afraid of having the whole verdict dumped at the appeals level.

BumRushDaShow

(129,066 posts)
39. The bans (his and his sons) were relatively short
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 06:06 PM
Feb 21

3 years for him and 2 for Eric & Jr. That was actually a low-ball from what AG James wanted - which was a permanent ban and complete disgorgement.

28. I had posted to that effect yesterday
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 01:34 PM
Feb 21

Turns out I wasn't listening close enough to the TV. The change to 2% is for consumer/household type debts. I believe his court judgements would still stay at 9%.

To quote Montgomery Burns "Release the hounds." "Eggcellent!"

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
36. It would have been ironic that they would lower the interest rate
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 05:52 PM
Feb 21

for a guy who was just found guilty of lying to get lower interest rates.

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