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BumRushDaShow

(130,698 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 06:38 AM Feb 2024

Alabama justice who ruled embryos are people says American law should be rooted in the Bible

Source: NBC News

Feb. 22, 2024, 7:50 PM EST


On the same day that Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Tom Parker handed down an opinion declaring that fertilized frozen embryos are people, imperiling women’s access to in vitro fertilization treatments, he espoused support for a once-fringe philosophy that calls on evangelical Christians to reshape society based on their interpretation of the Bible.

During an online broadcast hosted by Tennessee evangelist Johnny Enlow on Friday, Parker suggested America was founded explicitly as a Christian nation and discussed his embrace of the Seven Mountains Mandate — the belief that conservative Christians are meant to rule over seven key areas of American life, including media, business, education and government.

“God created government, and the fact that we have let it go into the possession of others, it’s heartbreaking,” Parker said in the interview, first reported this week by Media Matters for America, a liberal nonprofit media watchdog. “That’s why he is calling and equipping people to step back into these mountains right now.” Hours before the interview was published, Parker issued a concurring opinion in a case in which he and his fellow justices ruled that frozen embryos have the same rights as living children under Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act.

Parker wrote that Alabama had adopted a “theologically based view of the sanctity of life” and that “life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.” To support his legal opinion, Parker repeatedly cited the book of Genesis, including a passage asserting that all people are created in God’s image. “Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God,” Parker wrote, “and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-justice-embryos-biblical-seven-mountains-rcna139969

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Alabama justice who ruled embryos are people says American law should be rooted in the Bible (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 OP
If we don't stop these morons it's going to be like Prohibition 2 around here bucolic_frolic Feb 2024 #1
He needs to be removed from the bench. madaboutharry Feb 2024 #2
Yes. "should be rooted" is not the same as "is rooted". He ruled as if former was the latter. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #5
Should be. maxsolomon Feb 2024 #25
"Alabama justice Tom Parker--- Photo.......... People like him have no business being justices on any court." riversedge Feb 2024 #3
Which shows he knows nothing of the Bible, which comes from the Hebrew Bible, that ancianita Feb 2024 #4
Molly was 27 years old at birth, having been conceived (made human)... sanatanadharma Feb 2024 #7
I wonder... jmowreader Feb 2024 #6
Can Parker be voted out? PuraVidaDreamin Feb 2024 #8
that shit is really popular in Alabama prodigitalson Feb 2024 #13
The dissenting opinion limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #16
Every justice on the AL SC is a Republican. maxsolomon Feb 2024 #26
Work on the sabbath? Death. sakabatou Feb 2024 #9
Unwilling to impregnate your brother's widow? Death. unc70 Feb 2024 #31
Was that story about the guy who pulled out or...? sakabatou Feb 2024 #33
Yes. He spilled his seed upon the ground unc70 Feb 2024 #36
And God killed him. sakabatou Feb 2024 #38
Law apparently required him to produce an heir for brother unc70 Feb 2024 #44
So gods created government but not medical advancement Farmer-Rick Feb 2024 #10
Further news out of Alabama after the embryos are now considered to be human beings.... RicROC Feb 2024 #11
he literally cited Genesis in his legal opinion? prodigitalson Feb 2024 #12
The 1st Amendment according to the founders Johnny2X2X Feb 2024 #14
I haven't always honored my father and my mother. Aristus Feb 2024 #15
When that judge disrobes completely he'll be less of a hypocrite dickthegrouch Feb 2024 #17
If God is the ruler why would he need others to rule for him? LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #18
His opinion encourages violence. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #19
The U.S. is a Secular Country tonekat Feb 2024 #20
"apparently one can't delete these." BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #24
The U.S. is a Secular Country, period. tonekat Feb 2024 #21
Sue him liberalgunwilltravel Feb 2024 #22
Sue him for what? Where? maxsolomon Feb 2024 #29
Christian Taliban Novara Feb 2024 #23
The judge sounds like a candidate for the happy hotel. Even the slightest knowledge of the Vinca Feb 2024 #27
So adulterers should be stoned to death? thucythucy Feb 2024 #28
Then I guess get the red out Feb 2024 #30
He doesn't read it very well, then Jilly_in_VA Feb 2024 #32
"Seven Mountain Mandate," which calls on Christians to impose fundamentalist values on all aspects of American life LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2024 #34
Holy Moses Dear_Prudence Feb 2024 #35
As a Christian, he's a disgrace hamsterjill Feb 2024 #37
Welcome to Sharia Law 2.0 Blue Idaho Feb 2024 #39
Which Bible? There are quite a few. keithbvadu2 Feb 2024 #40
The Mormon Bible! BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #41
They even have a book beyond the Bible. keithbvadu2 Feb 2024 #42
"They even have a book beyond the Bible." BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #43
Alabamians are like Floridians, with fewer teeth. Chainfire Feb 2024 #45
Fuck you. SamKnause Feb 2024 #46
I must have missed the part in the Bible about frozen embryos and IVF. What book is that in? appleannie1 Feb 2024 #47
If you have frozen embryos and they are children, you should be able to claim them on your income tax returns. appleannie1 Feb 2024 #48

bucolic_frolic

(43,699 posts)
1. If we don't stop these morons it's going to be like Prohibition 2 around here
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:15 AM
Feb 2024

Everything will be forbidden except toting guns and Bibles. Guns and Roses? No, Guns and Bibles.

madaboutharry

(40,252 posts)
2. He needs to be removed from the bench.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:20 AM
Feb 2024

Religious fanatics and extremists are unfit to serve. They are unable to honor both the state constitution and federal constitution they are sworn to uphold.

maxsolomon

(33,516 posts)
25. Should be.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:13 PM
Feb 2024

Won't be.

He's retiring at the end of this term. He was elected BECAUSE he thinks this way.

riversedge

(70,669 posts)
3. "Alabama justice Tom Parker--- Photo.......... People like him have no business being justices on any court."
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:27 AM
Feb 2024

Alabama justice Tom Parker who ruled embryos are people says American law should be rooted in the Bible. People like him have no business being justices on any court.

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ancianita

(36,275 posts)
4. Which shows he knows nothing of the Bible, which comes from the Hebrew Bible, that
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:29 AM
Feb 2024

says that life begins at birth's first breath. That's the original bible the Christian Bible is translated from. It existed 1,000 years before Jesus showed up.

A meme for the dumb judge

sanatanadharma

(3,769 posts)
7. Molly was 27 years old at birth, having been conceived (made human)...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:40 AM
Feb 2024

Molly's human life began at conception.
Molly was 27 years old at birth, having been conceived (made human) 27 years before.
Molly can drink, drive, enter into contracts, and has been recorded as a US citizen in two censuses.

jmowreader

(50,630 posts)
6. I wonder...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:23 AM
Feb 2024

The Bible says you're supposed to kill anyone you catch working on the Sabbath.

So...that trip to Cracker Barrel after Sunday services is right out, and someone better call NASCAR and have 'em reschedule those Talladega races for Saturday because as we all know, insane fundamentalists are a dime a dozen but NASCAR drivers are in short supply.

prodigitalson

(2,501 posts)
13. that shit is really popular in Alabama
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:44 AM
Feb 2024

it's full of idiots so no you can't vote him out even though there is an election every four years (may as well be a lifetime appointment)

sakabatou

(42,247 posts)
9. Work on the sabbath? Death.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:55 AM
Feb 2024

Last edited Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:46 AM - Edit history (3)

Practice a non-abrahamic religion? Death.
Curse your parents? Death.
Rebellious kid? Death.
Magicians and illusionists? Death.
Adultery? Death.
Homosexuality? Death.
Blasphemy? Death.
Don't listen to a priest or judge? Death.
Your wife isn't a virgin on her wedding night? Death.
Get raped but don't cry out for help? Death.
Slavery's fine, just don't beat your slaves too hard.
Animal sacrifice is cool.
The sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone.
Genocide is fine. You can even keep any virgin daughter as a concubine or slave.

Has this judge ever read the Bible?

unc70

(6,143 posts)
31. Unwilling to impregnate your brother's widow? Death.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:35 PM
Feb 2024

With a lot of smiting, just because He could.

sakabatou

(42,247 posts)
38. And God killed him.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:23 PM
Feb 2024

I'm no expert, but I don't think there was a law enumerated in Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy or elsewhere that the People could kill a man who pulled out.

unc70

(6,143 posts)
44. Law apparently required him to produce an heir for brother
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:43 PM
Feb 2024

I vaguely remember that this was in part to the need to retain the dowery, but I could be wrong. A long time since I went down this rabbit hole.

Farmer-Rick

(10,286 posts)
10. So gods created government but not medical advancement
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:41 AM
Feb 2024

Their gods are all powerful but can't stop a woman from having an abortion the god doesn't want.

Since their weird Christian god created government he also create those 2 pills available to women to have abortions. Seems they know what their magical being thinks and are going to force us all to obey their thoughts.

RicROC

(1,206 posts)
11. Further news out of Alabama after the embryos are now considered to be human beings....
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:22 AM
Feb 2024

Alabama has requested a census recount which will then be used to add more members of their state delegation to the House of Representatives. *sarcasm*

Johnny2X2X

(19,416 posts)
14. The 1st Amendment according to the founders
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:48 AM
Feb 2024

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." John Adams

"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?" James Madison (The guy who wrote the first amendment)

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries. The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties." Jame Madison

"Erecting the 'wall of separation between church and state'... is absolutely essential in a free society." Thomas Jefferson when taling about the 1st Amendment.

"Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." James Madison

Aristus

(66,647 posts)
15. I haven't always honored my father and my mother.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:51 AM
Feb 2024

If called before a court on those charges, I would probably bear false witness.

dickthegrouch

(3,205 posts)
17. When that judge disrobes completely he'll be less of a hypocrite
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:05 PM
Feb 2024

In his book of genesis, Eve’s original sin was discovered by god noticing that her nakedness was clothed. That transgression never seems to have been corrected.
Let the dictators of purity practice what they preach.

LiberalFighter

(51,677 posts)
18. If God is the ruler why would he need others to rule for him?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:06 PM
Feb 2024

And how would he know that those before birth or for that matter after birth have the image of God? If that was the case why are people so different looking? Does he feel the same about people of other races? And what about those born with birth defects?

tonekat

(1,842 posts)
20. The U.S. is a Secular Country
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:28 PM
Feb 2024

This judge who thinks superstition should be the basis of law has no business being on the bench.

Sorry about the duplicate post, apparently one can't delete these.

BumRushDaShow

(130,698 posts)
24. "apparently one can't delete these."
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:00 PM
Feb 2024

If you look at the gray bar below the post you want to delete, you'll see the word "Powers", which is a link. If you click on that, it will give you a drop-down set of options including to "Self-delete this post".

tonekat

(1,842 posts)
21. The U.S. is a Secular Country, period.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:29 PM
Feb 2024

This judge who thinks superstition should be the basis of law has no business being on the bench.

22. Sue him
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:34 PM
Feb 2024

It’s time these Dominionists face severe consequences. They shouldn’t be in a court room except to face charges.

maxsolomon

(33,516 posts)
29. Sue him for what? Where?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:19 PM
Feb 2024

In Alabama? In Federal court?

They're in control of the courts all the way up - and they did it legally. All they did was spend billions of dollars to do so.

Vinca

(50,359 posts)
27. The judge sounds like a candidate for the happy hotel. Even the slightest knowledge of the
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:18 PM
Feb 2024

origins of this country indicate there was an effort to separate church and state. God did not create government and, if there is a God, I doubt he or she would take credit for creating this guy.

thucythucy

(8,168 posts)
28. So adulterers should be stoned to death?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:18 PM
Feb 2024

When do we line up Trump for his very own rocky horror picture show?

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
30. Then I guess
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:24 PM
Feb 2024

if someone causes a woman to lose a pregnancy he will owe her husband a fine, because he wasn't thought to have actually killed someone.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,075 posts)
32. He doesn't read it very well, then
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:37 PM
Feb 2024

The Bible says quite distinctly in several places that life begins when the first breath is drawn.

LetMyPeopleVote

(146,402 posts)
34. "Seven Mountain Mandate," which calls on Christians to impose fundamentalist values on all aspects of American life
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:44 PM
Feb 2024

The “Seven Mountain Mandate,” which calls on Christians to impose fundamentalist values on all aspects of American life. The Seven Mountains Mandate is extreme RWNJ/religious bigot type theory that is scary. This idiot judge is a true RWNJ/QANON supporter.





https://www.mediamatters.org/qanon-conspiracy-theory/alabama-supreme-court-chief-justice-spreads-christian-nationalist-rhetoric

During a recent interview on the program of self-proclaimed “prophet” and QAnon conspiracy theorist Johnny Enlow, Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Tom Parker indicated that he is a proponent of the “Seven Mountain Mandate,” a theological approach that calls on Christians to impose fundamentalist values on all aspects of American life.

Enlow is a pro-Trump “prophet” and leading proponent of the “Seven Mountain Mandate,” a “quasi-biblical blueprint for theocracy” that asserts that Christians must impose fundamentalist values on American society by conquering the “seven mountains” of cultural influence in U.S. life: government, education, media, religion, family, business, and entertainment.

Enlow has also repeatedly pushed the QAnon conspiracy theory, sometimes even connecting it to the Seven Mountain Mandate. Per Right Wing Watch, Enlow has claimed that world leaders are “satanic” pedophiles who “steal blood” and “do sacrifices” and that “there is presently no real democracy on the planet” because over 90 percent of world leaders are involved in pedophilia and are being blackmailed.

On February 16, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are people, with the same rights as living children, and that a person can be held liable for destroying them, imperiling in vitro fertilization treatment in the state. In a concurring opinion, Parker quoted the Bible, suggested that Alabama had adopted a “theologically based view of the sanctity of life,” and said that “human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.”.....

Parker’s ties to extreme right-wing Christian and “prophetic” media figures extends beyond the interview with Enlow.

Last year, Christian nationalist media figure Sean Feucht said Parker had invited him into the court’s chambers for a worship session. Parker also joined a prayer call in March 2023 with supposed prophets and apostles, and he prayed that “there will be a growing hunger in the judges of Alabama, and around the nation for more of God. And that they will be receptive to his moves toward restoration of the judges, so that they can play their forecast role in revival in this nation.”

Dear_Prudence

(433 posts)
35. Holy Moses
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:47 PM
Feb 2024

May we place "babies" (eggs and embryos, or maybe infants too) in reed baskets and send them down a river, 'cause the Bible tells me so?

hamsterjill

(15,229 posts)
37. As a Christian, he's a disgrace
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:52 PM
Feb 2024

America has separation of church and state for a reason. No one has EVER genuinely come to religion by having it forced upon them.

I should be free to believe as I choose and so should anyone else. End of story.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
45. Alabamians are like Floridians, with fewer teeth.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:12 PM
Feb 2024

I do some occasional shopping in Lower Alabama (L.A.) The folks are sticky sweet, but don't mess with church or football.

SamKnause

(13,141 posts)
46. Fuck you.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:40 PM
Feb 2024

Fuck your fairytale book.

Fuck your imaginary friend.


Prove the following:

Your imaginary friend exists.

Your imaginary friend has any effects on anything that happens on earth.



Until you can do this just shut the fuck up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

appleannie1

(5,086 posts)
47. I must have missed the part in the Bible about frozen embryos and IVF. What book is that in?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:15 PM
Feb 2024

Actually in Genesis it says And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Since an embryo does not have nostrils, it can't Biblically be a person. Not until it's first breath.

appleannie1

(5,086 posts)
48. If you have frozen embryos and they are children, you should be able to claim them on your income tax returns.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:20 PM
Feb 2024
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