Ukraine Shoots Down Second Highly Advanced Russian A-50 Spy Plane
Source: Newsweek
The Ukrainian Air Force said its fighters on Friday shot down a Russian A-50 military spy plane, the second of the prized aircraft that Kyiv has claimed to destroy this year.
The Beriev A-50 is an airborne early warning and control jet used by Russia to help monitor Ukraine's air defenses. The aircraft typically fly with a crew of up to 15 personnel and are estimated to cost over $300 million to produce.
According to Russian and Ukrainian reports, an A-50 was brought down over the Sea of Azov late Friday. Kyiv officials took credit for the jet's destruction, although some Russian military bloggers said it was brought down by "friendly fire."
Ukraine's Air Force commander, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk, announced the downing of the A-50 in a post to Telegram, and thanked Kyiv's military intelligence "and all those who ensured the result." Oleksandr Syrsky, the recently appointed commander in chief of Ukraine's Armed Forces, said on Facebook that the "Destruction of Russian aircraft and enemies is a great honor."
Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-shoots-down-second-highly-advanced-russian-50-spy-plane-1872986
$330 million A-50 AWAC aircraft!
Other reports say this happened over Krasnodar Krai, so inside Russia.
If the Ukrainians are using missiles, then I say it's time to sink the Kerch Bridge.
Sink! That! Bridge! Sink! That! Bridge! Sink! That! Bridge!
Wicked Blue
(5,832 posts)getagrip_already
(14,752 posts)Of those, only 3 or 4 were observed to be in use.
Scratch one more.
Irish_Dem
(47,102 posts)Generals don't like to see that kind of money crash and burn.
Igel
(35,311 posts)Because Congress.
Russian generals don't like to see that kind of thing happen because Putin might do a bad on them and it constrains them in what they can use. They don't care about the money, they care about not doing good enough or avoiding bad things sufficiently so as to avoid sudden death syndrome by window.
Irish_Dem
(47,102 posts)Wonder Why
(3,205 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,102 posts)orangecrush
(19,558 posts)We know all about blowing Russians and their stooges out of the sky.
Marcus IM
(2,203 posts)Lots of shots of small villages/villagers who did nothing to harm America getting bombed and napalmed. With a rocking' soundtrack.
orangecrush
(19,558 posts)He was in our capital on January 6th, and is going full bore to destroy the democracy we live in, silence/kill the opposition (that's us).
Fuck Russia, fuck Russia's allies and enablers.
Marcus IM
(2,203 posts)Maybe some F 4's with napalm were needed on J6?
orangecrush
(19,558 posts)For the intelligence on these innocent villages.
I'm pretty sure the Air Force didn't just say "let's go expend a bunch of munitions on non combatants".
You could identify the targets in the video just by looking?
Pretty impressive.
Marcus IM
(2,203 posts)https://www.britannica.com/event/Vietnam-War
You're not asking for sources that F 4's were not used on J6, are you??
orangecrush
(19,558 posts)Were used as support for transport on the Ho Chi Minh trail, as workers rebuilding and manufacturing munitions in the North, etc.
How Many civilians has Russia killed in Ukraine so far?
Marcus IM
(2,203 posts)Last I checked, the US were the invaders of a foreign nation in an undeclared war. Lots of civilians died.
Is that the comparison you're making over Russia's invasion of Ukraine in an undeclared war?
blue-wave
(4,353 posts)Is that this is a thread about Ukraine and the illegal genocidal war Putin and his Kremlin are waging against Ukraine. If you want to distract and talk about a whole different war, start a different thread. And 2,000,000 civilians dead? How many were the Vietcong responsible for?
Marcus IM
(2,203 posts)In that the footage is of war machines primarily directed at people that had done nothing to the USA.
Now, should I start another thread, or are you going to post another response to this distraction?
Have a good one.
blue-wave
(4,353 posts)Civilian dead the Vietcong were responsible for.
Have a good one.
orangecrush
(19,558 posts)Not tennis.
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)As for the death count, you're taking the word of the Vietnamese. Its doubtful more civilians were killed than combatants. Unless many were BOTH; which wasnt uncommon.
Russia is TRYING to kill civilians every day & that death toll is still lower than UKR military losses.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)Your grasp of history is tenuous and outdated neo-con nonsense.
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)The South Vietnamese government was dominated by a small minority of wealthy, Catholic, French-speaking Vietnamese who oppressed the majority of poor Buddhists who made up the bulk of the population of South Vietnam. The vast majority of people in both the North and the South supported Ho Chi Minh and wanted him to be the leader of a unified Vietnam. The CIA cancelled the scheduled free elections of 1954 because they knew Ho Chi Minh would win.
We weren't there at the request of the poor Buddhist Vietnamese, but the wealthy, Westernized fat cats who ran the South Vietnamese government. Also, any notion that we were there to fight for democracy is idiotic. South Vietnam at the time was a religiously and economically oppressive military dictatorship.
One of the U.S.'s biggest blunders during the Cold War is that we always seemed to choose the wrong allies. We should have sided with Ho Chi Minh (who was a huge admirer of the United States) and his bid for Vietnamese sovereignty. Just like we should have sided with the people of Iran over the tyrannical monster, the Shah. But any country that deviated even slightly from Abrahamic monotheism and/or market consumerism got our cold shoulder.
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)We shouldve insisted that Vietnam be granted independent after fighting the Japanese in WW2, but nooo, we had to "give" the country back to France who had controlled it before the war. There probably never would've been a communist problem if they'd just been given independence.
Aristus
(66,379 posts)n/t
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)And while the US forces certainly DID do some things wrong more than once it wasnt the standard policy. We actually held BACK by a large margin. One of the reasons we didnt prevail.
But Vietnam soon knew we weren't the enemy they thought; War with China came quickly & suddenly they WANTED us around. Still do
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)2 of my friend's fathers flew the F-4
orangecrush
(19,558 posts)One mean looking aircraft!
NJCher
(35,675 posts)at a difficult time.
Damn impressive.
Chainfire
(17,542 posts)thankful that it was "friendly fire" that was about to convert them into fish food? But, hey, if Russia wants to destroy their own aircraft, so be it. I strongly suspect that the fire was very hostile and that the source was in Ukraine.
tanyev
(42,559 posts)Aristus
(66,379 posts)I hear they're not much bigger than two meters.
Hieronymus Phact
(369 posts)The Wamp Rat at 2 meters (6.5 feet), best thought of as a rare, native, Tatooine Manatee, and is now endangered because of the thoughtless targeting practices of young, immature, testosterone fueled, farm boys!
They just target them, and then fly on by in their loud, modified, T-16s. Leaving the Wamp-Calvs to fend for themselves. Not even caring that a Wamp Rat of that size could have fed a family of 6 Sand People for a month and provided valuable fuel and materials for their very survival!
The Sand People use every part of the Wamp Rat, leaving nothing to waste, while the farm boys just fly away leaving the carcass to rot in the suns.
Shame on you all!
TomSlick
(11,098 posts)It's a big plane with a huge radar disk on top. Someone shot it down accidentally? Even Russian pilots or AA operators ain't that bad at their job.
Layzeebeaver
(1,624 posts)1) Top notch Ukrainian pilots shooting it down, or
2) Idiot Russians downing their own asset, or
3) A high value target of opportunity for any mediocre air crew
Any one of these is an acceptable and good result.
Hassler
(3,377 posts)Kennah
(14,266 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,931 posts)Hmmm
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Maybe they're trying to keep the crews from defecting?
Emrys
(7,241 posts)Happy anniversary, Vlad!
The remains of ten of the A-50 crew have been found at the crash site, with sources listing them as five majors, three captains, an ensign and a lieutenant. Radio intercepts indicate that the A-50 was in the process of co-ordinating an attack by an Su-35 and three Su34s near Avdiivka, which attempt then had to be abandoned.
Meanwhile, you could say "BREAKING!"
Link to tweet
@Euan_MacDonald
Meanwhile, in Moscow, one of the hangars of the Sukhoi aircraft design plant is on fire. Sukhoi makes/made the Su- and Be- brands of aircraft, like the Su-34 and the Beriev (Be) A-50.
[Twitter video]
Aww, that might make figuring out a replacement for the A-50 by fixing any of the disabled ones they have in reserve a bit trickier.
orangecrush
(19,558 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,129 posts)would be almost impossible to replace.
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)The United States has an aircraft called the E-3 Sentry. Its a Boeing 707 with a huge rotating radar antenna on top of it. Weve had really good results out of it.
The Soviets found out about it - how could they not, it was in the papers - and made their own. The Soviets decided to use the Ilyushin-76 military transport - which is the Soviet answer to our C-141 - as the airplane for theirs. This makes a lot of sense because anyone who can fly or work on an Il-76 can do the same on an A-50 and all the Il-76 parts fit on it.
While losing one of them - they only ever had 40 to start out with and not many of those will even run - is terrible for the Russians, I cant imagine that shooting one down is that much of a problem. Theyre huge and slow. A surface-to-air missile system would kill it pretty easily.
Red Mountain
(1,733 posts)It's a matter of some debate what exactly the Ukrainians used that had the range to hit this one.
That works to their advantage. To keep other copies safe the Russians are going to have to pull them back.....and that limits their role in terms of battlefield management.
Russian fighters and bombers rely on that control because their radars suck. When the F16s finally become operational they'll have a big advantage in terms of their ability to see their adversaries.....and we're not providing our most recent radars.......yet.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Maybe they snuck one up 20 miles to the front which would give them a 70 mile range or so..how far back was the target?