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BumRushDaShow

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Thu Mar 7, 2024, 10:24 AM Mar 2024

Power lines ignited the largest wildfire in Texas history, officials say

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Source: AP

Updated 1:51 PM EST, March 7, 2024


Power lines ignited massive wildfires across the Texas Panhandle that destroyed homes and killed thousands of livestock, officials said Thursday, including the largest blaze in state history that the utility provider Xcel Energy said its equipment appeared to have sparked.

The Texas A&M Forest Service said its investigators have concluded that power lines ignited both the historic Smokehouse Creek fire, has burned nearly 1,700 square miles (4,400 square kilometers) and spilled into neighboring Oklahoma, and the nearby Windy Deuce fire, which has burned about 225 square miles (582 square kilometers). The statement did not elaborate on what led to the power lines igniting the blazes.

“Based on currently available information, Xcel Energy acknowledges that its facilities appear to have been involved in an ignition of the Smokehouse Creek fire,” the utility provider stated.

The wildfires that ignited last week in the windswept rural area prompted evacuations in a handful of small communities, destroyed as many as 500 structures and killed at least two people.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/wildfires-texas-smokehouse-xcel-energy-22540df0a0c1d2c42a7fe0284858845a



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Updated 11:44 AM EST, March 7, 2024


Power lines ignited massive wildfires across the Texas Panhandle that destroyed homes and killed thousands of livestock, officials said Thursday, including the largest blaze in state history that the utility provider Xcel Energy said its equipment appeared to have sparked.

The Texas A&M Forest Service said its investigators have concluded that the Smokehouse Creek fire was ignited by power lines, as was the nearby Windy Deuce fire.

The utility provider Xcel Energy said Thursday that its equipment appeared to have played a role in igniting the Smokehouse Creek fire, though it did not believe its equipment was responsible for the Windy Deuce fire.

The Smokehouse Creek fire burned nearly 1,700 square miles (4,400 square kilometers) and destroyed hundreds of structures. The Minnesota-based company said in a statement that it disputes claims that "it acted negligently" in maintaining and operating infrastructure.



Xcel Energy says its facilities appeared to have role in igniting largest wildfire in Texas history

Updated 10:30 AM EST, March 7, 2024


CANADIAN, Texas (AP) -- The utility provider Xcel Energy said Thursday that its facilities appeared have played a role in igniting a massive wildfire in the Texas Panhandle that grew to the largest blaze in state history.

Texas officials have said they are still investigating the cause of the fire that has burned nearly 1,700 square miles (4,400 square kilometers) and destroyed hundreds of structures. The Minnesota-based company said in a statement that it disputes claims that "it acted negligently" in maintaining and operating infrastructure.

"Based on currently available information, Xcel Energy acknowledges that its facilities appear to have been involved in an ignition of the Smokehouse Creek fire," the company said in a statement.

Electric utilities have taken responsibility for wildfires around the U.S., including fallen power lines that started a blaze in Maui last year. Transmission lines also sparked a massive California wildfire in 2019. The Texas fire was among a cluster of fires that ignited in the rural Panhandle last week and prompted evacuation orders in a handful of small communities.



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Utility provider Xcel Energy says its facilities appeared to have role in igniting Texas wildfire

Updated 10:18 AM EST, March 7, 2024


CANADIAN, Texas (AP) -- The utility provider Xcel Energy said Thursday that its facilities appeared have played a role in igniting a massive wildfire in the Texas Panhandle that grew to the largest blaze in state history.

Texas officials have said they are still investigating the cause of the fire that has burned nearly 1,700 square miles (4,400 square kilometers) and destroyed hundreds of structures. The Minnesota-based company said in a statement that it disputes claims that "it acted negligently" in maintaining and operating infrastructure.

"Based on currently available information, Xcel Energy acknowledges that its facilities appear to have been involved in an ignition of the Smokehouse Creek fire," the company said in a statement.

The fire was among a cluster of fires that ignited in the rural Panhandle last week and prompted evacuation orders in a handful of small communities.

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Power lines ignited the largest wildfire in Texas history, officials say (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 OP
Glad you can admit that: now pony up and repair your damage. marble falls Mar 2024 #1
Great! Another rate increase. They just asked for one the other day. On top of the one they got last year. nt Hotler Mar 2024 #2
Exactly my first thought PlutosHeart Mar 2024 #5
Xcel's being sued in Colorado, too for the Marshall fire that destroyed an entire neighborhood in an afternoon. CrispyQ Mar 2024 #3
A friend's ranch burned pfitz59 Mar 2024 #4
This is why we need smaller-scale, more localized power generation Wicked Blue Mar 2024 #6
And owned cooperatively by the users, not by outside profit-makers. TheRickles Mar 2024 #7
Are a mess of smaller electric companies going to be any less likely to start wildfires... hunter Mar 2024 #16
On the other hand, the electricity wouldn't be traveling long distances Wicked Blue Mar 2024 #17
Sounds like PG&E, "appeared" to have a role in some CA wild fires. republianmushroom Mar 2024 #8
Maybe shut the power off when a fire hazard is present DBoon Mar 2024 #9
Yep, Same thing happened in Lahaina Sedona Mar 2024 #10
damn. talk about your double-edged swords RussBLib Mar 2024 #11
I know in CA they have been talking about moving those lines underground BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #12
Our electric coops were heading toward burying everything in the 90s sybylla Mar 2024 #13
They are actively undergrounding in some areas. Quanto Magnus Mar 2024 #14
About 10 years ago BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #15

CrispyQ

(40,806 posts)
3. Xcel's being sued in Colorado, too for the Marshall fire that destroyed an entire neighborhood in an afternoon.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 10:41 AM
Mar 2024
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/wildfire/marshall-fire/marshal-fire-lawsuits/73-d134f663-565e-4390-abe3-3b5b62ecdaa9

snip...

The fire destroyed more than 1,000 homes and killed two people. The wildfire erupted late the morning of Dec. 30, 2021, and was fueled by hurricane-force winds as it raced across the county.

The investigation concluded that an intentionally set trash fire on property owned by a religious group known as Twelve Tribes was the initial point of origin for the Marshall Fire.

Roughly 40 minutes after that fire ignited, a second blaze began nearby, sparked by hot particles discharged from an Xcel Energy power line at the Marshall Mesa Trailhead, the investigation found.


I'll never forget that day. It was windy AF & we'd gone over six months with hardly any moisture & everything was crisp. 1000 homes burned to the ground in a matter of hours. The next day it snowed.

hunter

(40,476 posts)
16. Are a mess of smaller electric companies going to be any less likely to start wildfires...
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 01:43 PM
Mar 2024

... then a few large electric companies?

A tiny electric company might have better safety standards than a huge regional electric company, but it could also be much worse. I think much worse is the more likely scenario.

Small town U.S.A. tends to be a pretty wretched place. I can easily imagine how locally owned power generation and distribution systems could be equally wretched.

Poorly designed and maintained electrical equipment will start fires no matter who owns it. Random Bob's locally owned and operated solar farm isn't fundamentally any less dangerous than a huge electric company.

Wicked Blue

(8,721 posts)
17. On the other hand, the electricity wouldn't be traveling long distances
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 04:43 PM
Mar 2024

through huge, high-voltage lines. There would be far fewer transmission stations. An outage in a huge regional energy supply grid can affect tens of millions of customers, while outages in small distributed generation grids would be far smaller, and possibly more easily repaired.

You do raise valid points, though.

DBoon

(24,824 posts)
9. Maybe shut the power off when a fire hazard is present
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 12:10 PM
Mar 2024

Weather forecasts are pretty accurate a day or so in advance.

Better a planned electrical outage than an unplanned inferno.

Sedona

(3,865 posts)
10. Yep, Same thing happened in Lahaina
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 12:50 PM
Mar 2024

The fact that the power was out in Lahaina and Hawaiian Electric turned it back on has not been a prominent part of the company’s own narrative of the disaster, but could play a significant role in the company’s future, especially as it faces a barrage of lawsuits for its role in sparking the blaze.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/11/the-power-was-out-before-the-fires-started-then-hawaiian-electric-flipped-the-switch/#:~:text=The%20fact%20that%20the%20power,role%20in%20sparking%20the%20blaze.

RussBLib

(10,464 posts)
11. damn. talk about your double-edged swords
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 01:32 PM
Mar 2024

...gotta have electricity...and it can kill you if you're not careful.

I guess you could say that about quite a number of things.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

BumRushDaShow

(167,143 posts)
12. I know in CA they have been talking about moving those lines underground
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 01:43 PM
Mar 2024

Having grown up in a house that had wires running along the backs of houses, which did seem to minimize downed lines (although the houses were densely built too), my current townhouse has the wires run underground, although at some point they come up to poles somewhere to get to a substation. That still limits the potential for trees/branches/snow/ice loads taking out a wire. Meanwhile my sisters are in older suburban houses with wires strung all over and constantly getting downed.

But I think anywhere that is wildfire prone, they need to move those wires underground and figure out what to do with the transformers.

sybylla

(8,655 posts)
13. Our electric coops were heading toward burying everything in the 90s
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 03:01 PM
Mar 2024

when stray voltage was such a problem for farmers. They decided a work around was to add a third line to capture stray voltage and that was cheaper than burying everything.

Buried lines are so much safer and require less maintenance, but I was told by the powers that be at my coop that they don't last as long in the ground.

Quanto Magnus

(1,315 posts)
14. They are actively undergrounding in some areas.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:54 PM
Mar 2024

It's going to be really slow and they're not getting everywhere they should.

I have a PG&E easement behind my house. 2 Years ago a dead tree fell against the lines to my house. Ended up taking the power out from 7 house, damaged my neighbor's awning and fence. This was after my neighbor had been calling them about it for a long time and me calling them about it for months straight.... We were lucky it happened in November, so we didn't have a fire. They still haven't cleared the deadwood back there. If they're not going to maintain the area in the easement, they should underground the lines.... but they won't.

We did get a rate increase though...

BumRushDaShow

(167,143 posts)
15. About 10 years ago
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 06:09 PM
Mar 2024

one of my sisters had her electric line ripped from the back of her house due to a neighbor's tree branch that cracked and fell on it (I think the tree was an Ash that was pretty much dead due to the Emerald Ash Borer). When the wire ripped off, it took out part of her siding with it. It was a mess to get it all repaired between the electric company and an electrical contractor who could repair some of the siding damage after rewiring. Way back when those houses were built in the '50s, the developers had the electric poles lined up along a creek at the base of their backyards on a township easement and trees had been planted along the creek to "hide" the poles. The wires were then swung some 125 ft across the yards to the homes.

Her neighbors across the street have their poles backing against the bottom of similarly tree-lined hill and their power goes out continually whenever there is some windy storm.

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