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riversedge

(71,354 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:01 PM Apr 2024

Tennessee Republican's fight against cousin marriage ban ends in massive defeat

Source: raw story



Brad Reed April 11, 2024 1:30PM ET

The dream of legalized cousin marriage ended for one Tennessee state lawmaker on Thursday when his last-ditch bid to block the bill banning the practice went down in defeat.

Local news station WSMV reports that a bill making it illegal to marry your first cousin sailed through the Tennessee House of Representatives on Thursday, with just two members, both Republicans, voting to oppose the measure.

One of those members.....................

In a speech opposing the bill that was posted by the Tennessee Holler's Twitter account, Bulso makes the case that it doesn't seem right that cousins aren't allowed to marry when LGBTQ couples can.

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He then went on to say that, if the concerns about cousin marriage are really about avoiding the increased risk of birth defects, then no one should object to having first cousins of the same sex get married.

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Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/tennessee-cousin-marriage/



I guess I had thought these not marry a 1st cousin were already on the books as laws. But I was wrong.





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Tennessee Republican's fight against cousin marriage ban ends in massive defeat (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2024 OP
Why do I think this guy must be married to his first cousin? LOL. Vinca Apr 2024 #1
I hope the hell Traildogbob Apr 2024 #2
Per wiki, he has at least 2 marital daughters and 2 sons. Hard to tell if his wife is a 1st cousin, but she had a Backseat Driver Apr 2024 #7
the story of that fertility doctor is insane prodigitalson Apr 2024 #37
My first thought. Noe I wonder if there is more than one. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Marthe48 Apr 2024 #11
That would be his parents? Marthe48 Apr 2024 #12
Perhaps he's a product of one. "See, I turned out all right!" OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #16
I get the feeling his family tree is Jerry2144 Apr 2024 #26
The shallow end of the gene pool. nt Dulcinea Apr 2024 #46
...."Jernigan said marriage remains legal in Tennessee to this day due to a 1960 decision by Tennessee's attorney genera riversedge Apr 2024 #3
I bet those two reps have some excellent banjo players amongst their constituency prodigitalson Apr 2024 #38
He does have one good point. padfun Apr 2024 #5
Yes, that struck me too. soldierant Apr 2024 #29
First cousins are as close as grandparents/grandchildren prodigitalson Apr 2024 #39
Imagine picking that political hill to die on... wildeyed Apr 2024 #6
LOL jesus. 617Blue Apr 2024 #40
Love is love. Mawspam2 Apr 2024 #8
You could make the same argument for brother and sister Random Boomer Apr 2024 #10
"were often allowed throughout history." soldierant Apr 2024 #30
The haemophillia came from Queen Victoria canetoad Apr 2024 #33
Exactly. Thanks for the details. soldierant Apr 2024 #44
That is what the royalty did throughout history; keep it in the family peacebuzzard Apr 2024 #42
Rep. Bulso shouldn't expend his energy on this,... Dan Apr 2024 #9
No, Senator, you cannot make your family tree look like a tumbleweed a ArkansasDemocrat1 Apr 2024 #13
Let's ask Jeff Foxworthy... OldBaldy1701E Apr 2024 #15
Incredible how the Republican idea of going back to the 19th century holds water with these idiots. ificandream Apr 2024 #14
If cousins don't fight against cousin marriage ban, who will? Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #17
Cue the "Dueling Banjos" theme for "Deliverance." Martin68 Apr 2024 #18
You do know it's legal in some progressive states, yeah? EllieBC Apr 2024 #23
Not that I approve, soldierant Apr 2024 #31
I didn't know that. I stand corrected. Martin68 Apr 2024 #45
Bumper Sticker Seen in Tennessee Blue Streak Science Apr 2024 #19
Great old song, lol catbyte Apr 2024 #24
This coulda wiped out a huge chunk of the Republican dominance in the legislature. mpcamb Apr 2024 #20
You can't make this up. liberal N proud Apr 2024 #21
It's legal in California. EllieBC Apr 2024 #22
And Shelbyville Manhattan cries rpannier Apr 2024 #25
Well . . . AverageOldGuy Apr 2024 #27
But it's still okay for brothers and sisters to marry, right? Ligyron Apr 2024 #28
Wait! H2O Man Apr 2024 #32
Inbreeding often has tragic consequences. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #34
My ex-GF married her 1st cousin in Alabama. In 2014. oldsoftie Apr 2024 #35
LGBTQ first cousins can't prodigitalson Apr 2024 #36
They only lost because some of their supporters wanted it extended to sisters, too. Wonder Why Apr 2024 #41
FYI, here's a map showing whuch states allow first cousins to marry. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #43
This doesn't fit the narrative!!! EllieBC Apr 2024 #47
LOL! ShazzieB Apr 2024 #48
California and Massachusetts allow it whereas Arkansas and Mississippi do not prodigitalson Apr 2024 #49

Backseat Driver

(4,486 posts)
7. Per wiki, he has at least 2 marital daughters and 2 sons. Hard to tell if his wife is a 1st cousin, but she had a
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 05:03 PM
Apr 2024

different surname prior to marrying him, though it could also mean a twisted sister or a brother that legally changed his name for reasons unknown.

I don't see any idiocy in same-sex marriages except the extremely rare situation in which one or both of transgendered adult couples retain unchanged but functional apparatus who still desire to start a family one way or another(?); there's always surrogate/donor IVF human ethical errors, though, without much thought to genetic testing and counseling. That one fertility doc, turned out, had about 200 kids, indiscriminately, who might never have known they were siblings. Most are sadly horrified when couples do learn they are too closely related to marry.

That said, I also see no problems with same-sex couples raising adoptive or surrogated IVF children together in a loving household...The surrogate/donor IVF folks usually assume the same risks as any other married couple when genetic testing might locate 1st cousins' donations pre-procedures/protocols.

And finally, marriage is a license cost center for the state. I could care less if couples of any orientation/gender marry consenually for purely financial enhancement but not fraudulently for citizenship - It's none of my business--adult friends forever; adult lovers never and without the desire to add to the gene pool outside of marriage.

For the rest of the men and women in the USA, there's the choice to legally separate and/or divorce, no fault, and/or for cause as early as possible if you can make a go into the workforce. You can even do it over again with the same individual, lol! Safety nets for individuals already low on the food chain of age, wage, and disability are rapidly disappearing.

Response to Vinca (Reply #1)

riversedge

(71,354 posts)
3. ...."Jernigan said marriage remains legal in Tennessee to this day due to a 1960 decision by Tennessee's attorney genera
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:08 PM
Apr 2024

This is from another article:

Bill to make marrying your first cousin illegal in Tennessee passes but not without a fight
Two Republican lawmakers voted against making marriage between first cousins illegal in Tennessee.

https://www.wsmv.com/2024/04/11/bill-make-marrying-your-first-cousin-illegal-tennessee-passes-not-without-fight/


...............The bill banning marriage between first cousins was later passed in the House.

Two Republican lawmakers, Bulso and Rep. Monty Fritts, who represents Kingston, Tennessee, were the only legislators to vote down the bill.

The bill now heads to Gov. Bill Lee’s desk to be signed.

House Bill 2041 was initially filed for introduction by Rep. Darren Jernigan, D-Old Hickory. Jernigan said marriage remains legal in Tennessee to this day due to a 1960 decision by Tennessee’s attorney general that marriage between first cousins did not violate a statute prohibiting marriage between relatives.

“I’m hoping in 2024 we can close this loophole,” Jernigan said.

Mawspam2

(791 posts)
8. Love is love.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 05:15 PM
Apr 2024

For the government, any government, to say two consenting ADULTS who they can love is wrong.

Whether they are two men, two women, or first cousins, when two people love and care for each other enough to want to unite themselves in law, to have the legal rights to care for each other, they should be allowed to do so.

Random Boomer

(4,187 posts)
10. You could make the same argument for brother and sister
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 05:25 PM
Apr 2024

To be fair, I'm somewhat ambivalent about this ban. First-cousin marriages are not uncommon in some regions of the world and were often allowed throughout history.

At the very least, I hope there was some provision made for any cousins who married before this change in the law.

soldierant

(7,416 posts)
30. "were often allowed throughout history."
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 01:05 AM
Apr 2024

Indeed they were. And that is where the Habsburg jaw came from - to use just one very visibleresult. I believe the Russian royal family's haemophilia is another.

canetoad

(17,454 posts)
33. The haemophillia came from Queen Victoria
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 04:27 AM
Apr 2024

The obviously didn't have it herself but she was a carrier. It's unknown if any previous member of her family had it.

She had nine children - five daughters and four sons. At least one son was a haemophiliac. The second oldest daughter, Princess Alice was mother to Alix, the last Tsarina of Russia whose son Alexei was haemophilliac.

Victoria is called "The Grandmother of Europe" because eight of her nine children married other European royalty who happily continued to marry relatives both close and distant, in the name of keeping it in the family. This is the origin of haemophillia in Europe's royal houses.

peacebuzzard

(5,210 posts)
42. That is what the royalty did throughout history; keep it in the family
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 09:27 AM
Apr 2024

father-daughter; brother-sister; the genes had to stay within for succession.
The incidents and historical accounts of lunacy and abnormalities among the royal families are notable.

Dan

(3,752 posts)
9. Rep. Bulso shouldn't expend his energy on this,...
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 05:20 PM
Apr 2024

wait for the real fight in his state, Mother/Fathers marrying their son/daughters....

EllieBC

(3,156 posts)
23. You do know it's legal in some progressive states, yeah?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:18 PM
Apr 2024

I mean let’s not pretend this is a southern issue when it’s legal in CA and NY.

soldierant

(7,416 posts)
31. Not that I approve,
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 01:08 AM
Apr 2024

but those are two states with considerably broader gene pools than Tennessee.

I'll admit have zero problem with FDR and Eleanor's marriage.

mpcamb

(2,907 posts)
20. This coulda wiped out a huge chunk of the Republican dominance in the legislature.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:26 PM
Apr 2024

A lotta people are breathing easier tonight...

rpannier

(24,432 posts)
25. And Shelbyville Manhattan cries
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:59 PM
Apr 2024

Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:57 PM - Edit history (1)

After-all, isn't that why they moved there?

AverageOldGuy

(1,673 posts)
27. Well . . .
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:13 AM
Apr 2024

. . . this IS Tennessee and it gets mighty cold and lonely in the mountains of East Tennessee with no one to turn to but your cousin.

Meanwhile, turns out that Delegate Bulso's grandparents were first cousins . . . which may explain a lot. Has anyone asked him to take off his shoes to see if he has six toes on each foot?

Ligyron

(7,772 posts)
28. But it's still okay for brothers and sisters to marry, right?
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:14 AM
Apr 2024

Guess those two figured they'd be coming for their marriages next.

Oopsie Daisy

(3,197 posts)
34. Inbreeding often has tragic consequences.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 06:32 AM
Apr 2024


These videos on Youtube are a fascinating and sympathetic look at one family from Odd, West Virginia.
&list=PLBEIBBdgAOAog4POCAhq1PtqfCaJUtyoU

oldsoftie

(13,096 posts)
35. My ex-GF married her 1st cousin in Alabama. In 2014.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 06:58 AM
Apr 2024

She told me "its not illegal & there's nothing wrong with it" I told her "When someone asks "How did you 2 meet?" and you dont LEAD OFF with "we're cousins" then even YOU know its creepy"

ShazzieB

(17,234 posts)
43. FYI, here's a map showing whuch states allow first cousins to marry.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 01:05 PM
Apr 2024

It's fully legal in about a third of the states plus DC. Six other states allow it with some restrictions. As you can see, it's not purely a southern/red state phenomenon.

Original source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/graphics/cousins_042505.html?noredirect=on

Note: This obviously does not reflect what's happening in Tennessee right now.

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