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demmiblue

(39,717 posts)
Tue May 21, 2024, 02:54 PM May 2024

Lawyers found classified docs in Trump's bedroom 4 months after Mar-a-Lago search

Source: Politico

Four months after the FBI raided his Mar-a-Lago estate, Donald Trump’s attorneys discovered four documents marked “classified” in his personal bedroom.

That revelation was among several cited by U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell in a newly unsealed 2023 opinion that found prosecutors had presented compelling evidence that Trump knowingly stashed national security documents in his home and then tried to conceal them when the Justice Department tried to retrieve them.

In her 87-page opinion, Howell said the likelihood that Trump committed crimes was a basis to permit special counsel Jack Smith to question the former president’s attorney Evan Corcoran on topics that would normally be shielded by attorney-client privilege.

Prosecutors, Howell said, had demonstrated that Trump knew Corcoran had been tasked in June 2022 with informing the government that all classified materials had been returned, “a representation that the former president … knew to be wrong.”


Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/21/trump-classified-documents-bedroom-00159182




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Lawyers found classified docs in Trump's bedroom 4 months after Mar-a-Lago search (Original Post) demmiblue May 2024 OP
WHY IS THIS TRAITOROUS SCUMBAG NOT IN PRISON??!?!?!?!?! AZ8theist May 2024 #1
Loose Cannon on deck! You know - All the best people. flashman13 May 2024 #11
And some have had 2000 volts run through them for it Wednesdays May 2024 #13
see below, my response to your response AllaN01Bear May 2024 #18
Because (theoretically) the US doesn't arbitrarily lock up people NanaCat May 2024 #24
It's acceptable everywhere to set no bond if a person is deemed a "danger to the community" if released. PSPS May 2024 #34
Maybe he made a deal with the Devil? Dave Bowman May 2024 #37
Find the ones in Bedminster so charges can be filed up there and get away from trump-slurper Cannon. NBachers May 2024 #2
I've never understood why the FBI did not search Bedminster. Lonestarblue May 2024 #4
John Brennan, ex CIA director, believes Trump has classified docs at other residences. Irish_Dem May 2024 #5
Of course Trump has secret document stashed elsewhere. sop May 2024 #7
Yes this is obvious and has to be the assumption. Irish_Dem May 2024 #14
My guess is that DENVERPOPS May 2024 #23
It takes crime scene investigative skills to think about GOP behavior. Irish_Dem May 2024 #29
None of that would surprise me. sop May 2024 #35
Great summary ID NC DENVERPOPS May 2024 #39
The problem, of course, is that believing NanaCat May 2024 #26
We are not trying a case in a courtroom. Irish_Dem May 2024 #30
Bravo.....& THX NC DENVERPOPS May 2024 #40
Thanks for True Blue American May 2024 #17
Who was telling DipShit Don which documents were more important than others is my question. This is not NoMoreRepugs May 2024 #3
There had to be an inside person in the WH who was helping Trump w/ the classified doc theft. Irish_Dem May 2024 #31
It really doesn't make sense that they didn't search every single bug-infested property. Novara May 2024 #6
Probable cause Traurigkeit May 2024 #12
I hope I'm still alive when they dig up Ivana to see what he stuffed Greybnk48 May 2024 #8
I really need to ask this question, because i Don't know why it hasn't been answered before. bluestarone May 2024 #9
Cannon has been a very loyal dog for TSF. He and Putin should be bankrolling her every effort. ffr May 2024 #10
Check. Ivana's. Coffin. Talitha May 2024 #15
Agree. That coffin was True Blue American May 2024 #21
Maybe it's Rebl2 May 2024 #16
impeach and recurse . AllaN01Bear May 2024 #20
Or is True Blue American May 2024 #22
this . AllaN01Bear May 2024 #19
Damn, the FBI did a good job searching. republianmushroom May 2024 #25
You point out DENVERPOPS May 2024 #41
Remember Melania squawking how the FBI went through her underwear drawer? no_hypocrisy May 2024 #27
The more offhand traitor's theft is treated Marthe48 May 2024 #28
DOCS Ladythatvotesblue May 2024 #32
why not file this last item is a special court? Captain Zero May 2024 #33
He probably just forgot ... live love laugh May 2024 #36
Cannon needs to be out and the DOJ and Dems needs to re-align their priorities SpankMe May 2024 #38
You hit several nails on their heads........ DENVERPOPS May 2024 #42
totally agree... and FFS Dems need to start knocking some heads around about this and not let Rethugs constantly LymphocyteLover May 2024 #45
This whole situation with this lunatic traitor running around free and Cannon ignoring his threat to national security LymphocyteLover May 2024 #43
Trump should never again have oasis May 2024 #44

AZ8theist

(7,370 posts)
1. WHY IS THIS TRAITOROUS SCUMBAG NOT IN PRISON??!?!?!?!?!
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:00 PM
May 2024

WHY, WHY, WHY??????????????????????

If you or I would have done this, they would have thrown away the key already.....

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
24. Because (theoretically) the US doesn't arbitrarily lock up people
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:26 PM
May 2024

Even when accused, you don't go to jail if you're out on your own recognizance or make bail before a trial. If you do go to trial, you only go to jail if you're convicted and sentenced to prison. And all of that is especially true for rich white people.

Nobody's ever made any of that a mystery.

PSPS

(15,320 posts)
34. It's acceptable everywhere to set no bond if a person is deemed a "danger to the community" if released.
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:59 PM
May 2024

NBachers

(19,438 posts)
2. Find the ones in Bedminster so charges can be filed up there and get away from trump-slurper Cannon.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:00 PM
May 2024

Lonestarblue

(13,477 posts)
4. I've never understood why the FBI did not search Bedminster.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:06 PM
May 2024

It was actually at Bedminster that Trump was waving around the classified document about Iran. That alone should have persuaded a judge that a search warrant was justified. Now it appears that Cannon can prevent a trial any time soon and perhaps forever if he wins in November. This trial should have been a slam dunk.

Irish_Dem

(81,251 posts)
5. John Brennan, ex CIA director, believes Trump has classified docs at other residences.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:18 PM
May 2024

He has said we have to assume the worst, that Trump has all the most important secrets and they are in the hands of our enemies.

The damage is incalculable.

Yes the DOJ is complicit in the travesty.

sop

(18,609 posts)
7. Of course Trump has secret document stashed elsewhere.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:38 PM
May 2024

Most likely he also made copies of everything before the original documents were recovered. And does anyone actually believe he hasn't already shared sensitive information with his foreign benefactors?

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
23. My guess is that
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:19 PM
May 2024

Jared sold the Saudi's intel on all military and their weapons for all countries within a thousand miles.....What else would be worth two billion dollars??????????

Putin probably got anything and everything we had for free.

Much of the stolen intel is "shared" intel coming from other countries intelligence gathering. They will never share any intel with the U.S. ever again. The stolen intel also involves countless spy personnel and contacts info from the U.S. and all the countries that shared intelligence......

The day after Cheney/Rumsfeld outed to the world that Valerie Plame was A CIA under cover operative, I can only imagine there were bodies dropping all over the world....(They disclosed her identity to get back at her husband saying the "Yellow Cake" Uranium that Rummy claimed Iraq possessed, was pure bull crap)

Irish_Dem

(81,251 posts)
29. It takes crime scene investigative skills to think about GOP behavior.
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:13 PM
May 2024

I am sure the CIA did a damage assessment concerning the Plame outing by Cheney/Rumsfeld.
It would be classified of course so we don't know the extent.

But Plame was said to be a higher level section chief with extensive knowledge of dirty bombs in the MidEast.
So all the operatives below her, and the civilian company which was her cover, and her knowledge was all burned. All damaged. National Security was put at risk.

We know that soon after Trump entered the WH, there was a big uptick in CIA asset deaths and disappearances.
So Trump most likely disclosed this information. CIA assets take a long time to develop into meaningful operatives. Also the methods used, strategies, etc is exposed. So the damage was great.

In terms of Jared, it was said he was instrumental in providing intel regarding Jamal Khashoggi before his murder by the Saudi royal family. Was that worth $2 billion. Probably not. So what else did Kushner do for the Saudis?

One of my theories is that Kushner acted as bag man for many of Trump's classified doc deals. Trump had no idea how to get the docs, what they were worth, and the process of turning them over. He needed help to pull off all of this. So maybe Kushner got rewarded for being Trump's classified doc sales manager.

Would else might account for Kushner's huge reward from the Saudis. There were rumors that Kushner helped the Saudis by facilitating their purchase of Pegasus spyware from Israel. And certainly Saudi wanted nuclear secrets.

One of the Russia/China goals is to break up the democratic country alliances and yes Trump giving/selling classified formation greatly damaged the trust amongst US allies. Who would trust the US again? Trump's lack of support for NATO has also rattled our allies. So this was worth a great deal to our enemies. Damaging the alliances between democratic countries.

What information do our enemies want? Our spy network and nuclear capability information. Location of our nuclear silos and subs. Military weapons and hardware. China would love intel on our stealth fighters. China loves stealing intellectual property. I am not sure what the entire list of desired information would be.

I agree, Putin may have gotten intel from Trump for free. Putin had already invested quite a bit in installing Trump into the WH. That debt had to be repaid. Putin probably made it very clear that Trump would not be allowed to renege on the deal.


 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
26. The problem, of course, is that believing
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:43 PM
May 2024

Isn't remotely the same thing as knowing it for a fact.

Brennan can say whatever he believes, of course, but there's no reason to lend credence to anything he says on the topic unless he presents evidence to back up that belief.

So who cares what he believes? I want TSF in jail as much as anyone, but it won't happen based on some old crank's beliefs. It will happen when there's EVIDENCE to nail him to the wall. Sticking to reality doesn't result in so many disappointments as counting on unsubstantiated beliefs to do anything worthwhile.

Irish_Dem

(81,251 posts)
30. We are not trying a case in a courtroom.
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:16 PM
May 2024

We are the court of public opinion.

We are making educated guesses based on facts.

John Brennan is certainly not some "old crank." He is a highly respected former CIA director.

My discussion has nothing to do with Trump's court cases.


NoMoreRepugs

(12,075 posts)
3. Who was telling DipShit Don which documents were more important than others is my question. This is not
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:02 PM
May 2024

a very smart individual we are talking about here. This smells of Phootie to me.

Irish_Dem

(81,251 posts)
31. There had to be an inside person in the WH who was helping Trump w/ the classified doc theft.
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:24 PM
May 2024

Trump would not know which documents were the most sought after by our enemies, the price they were willing to pay, how to access them, how to pass them on to the buyers.

Who might that person be? Someone close to Trump he could trust.
Someone good at working people. Someone with the highest security clearance.



Novara

(6,115 posts)
6. It really doesn't make sense that they didn't search every single bug-infested property.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:25 PM
May 2024

I'm sure he has them squirreled away at every single property.

Greybnk48

(10,723 posts)
8. I hope I'm still alive when they dig up Ivana to see what he stuffed
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:41 PM
May 2024

in her almost empty coffin, except for an urn of her ashes.

bluestarone

(22,174 posts)
9. I really need to ask this question, because i Don't know why it hasn't been answered before.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:45 PM
May 2024

I don't think it too late to do a search at Bedminster. DO it then start a different trial there. Why Not? Cannon was hand picked for a reason. ( i know, there is no proof that she was, BUT she was!) Hell it's not even investigated if she was or not. Jack is the right man, but holy shit i think he just easy going with this dimwit judge. Get another judge involved, IF there is still classified material at Bedminster.

ffr

(23,398 posts)
10. Cannon has been a very loyal dog for TSF. He and Putin should be bankrolling her every effort.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:46 PM
May 2024

Because they're both benefiting. Meanwhile justice and our national secrets have been compromised. Not like it involves serious matters; or anything.

K&R to Joyce Alene!

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
21. Agree. That coffin was
Tue May 21, 2024, 05:08 PM
May 2024

So heavy 10 men had to struggle to lift it. And he could get to it easily.

republianmushroom

(22,323 posts)
25. Damn, the FBI did a good job searching.
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:38 PM
May 2024

Wait, they didn't search 2 rooms, and they took an attorney's word that he didn't have any more.
And they didn't search NJ.
40 months and counting (includes DOJ foot dragging and FBI searching)
Why, Yes, trust your DOJ and FBI to keep our country safe. HAHAHAHAHA, that's Putin laughing.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
41. You point out
Wed May 22, 2024, 01:34 PM
May 2024

and touched on one of the most frightening things of all.........Just how far the Maggots have infiltrated the FBI, Secret Service, DOJ Etc, Etc Also the Police, The Military, the National Guard, Firefighters, Etc, Etc

Look at J6th and the action/inaction of members of the DC Police, The Capitol Police, National Guard ETC.

no_hypocrisy

(54,903 posts)
27. Remember Melania squawking how the FBI went through her underwear drawer?
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:48 PM
May 2024

FBI obviously didn't avoid the private rooms.

Marthe48

(23,174 posts)
28. The more offhand traitor's theft is treated
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:51 PM
May 2024

the easier it is for Americans in general to blow off the importance of the documents traitor stole. My perception of what I see as headlines about this story is that the agencies in charge of getting the documents back took their time as long as they could until a concerned person here and there started asking questions about the documents and their location. Then, in slo-mo, the agencies acted, and except for a few people here and there, again are taking their time. Is there a plan to net a bunch of traitors? Is the damage already done? Is it ok for me to take top secret documents and store them in my bathroom? Or show them to friends? If it isn't okay for me, why is it ok for a known traitor to take them and show them to known enemies of the U.S.A.? Or am I being hyperbolic?

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
33. why not file this last item is a special court?
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:43 PM
May 2024

panel of judges. what do you call that.
Special that it's about national security.
Special that is furtherance of a crime. all by itself, standalone case?

SpankMe

(3,719 posts)
38. Cannon needs to be out and the DOJ and Dems needs to re-align their priorities
Wed May 22, 2024, 12:47 PM
May 2024

Without divulging too much about myself, I have first hand insight into USG classified materials, how it works, how they should be handled and what the consequences are of data spills. (Not the specific docs in this case. Rather, general OpSec in working with classified.)

Folks, of all the things Trump is facing - election malfeasance in Georgia, financial crimes in New York, sedition/Jan6 charges in DC - the classified documents case in Florida is the most serious by orders of magnitude.

The DOJ should be using every tool at their disposal, from court procedures, appeals, legal maneuvering, lobbying congress and public information campaigns to get the ClassDocs trial back on track as soon as is absolutely possible. They should drop charges against Trump elsewhere if it could free up resources to build and execute an air tight case. That's how serious the docs case is.

The Democrats should be agitating almost every day with TV appearances, public statements, proposed legislation - whether or not it would be voted on - highlighting the damage and seriousness of removing classified documents from their secure facilities and parading them around Mar-a-Lago.

In my opinion, little else matters. The classified data that he leaked to friends and probably gave directly to the Russians has a far greater potential for damage to US security than even his Jan 6 transgressions. We still don't know what's out there. We still don't know what was copied before it was given back to the FBI.

This man is a traitor to his country and must not be elected again. He MUST be put in prison for the rest of his life.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
42. You hit several nails on their heads........
Wed May 22, 2024, 01:44 PM
May 2024

On a scale of one to a million, the Stormy crap is a one, and the Documents rate a Million..........

I have to believe that there is a huge amount of stuff being intentionally hidden. Stuff we will never see or hear about if Trump is corruptly put back in office. It will be destroyed. Including alot of stuff in the National Archives, ETC.

We must not forget that it wasn't just Trump, his Spawn, and Jared.........It was the entire Republican Senate that were complicit.
If it weren't for them, Trump would have been impeached and thrown out of office the first week of his so called Presidency.....

LymphocyteLover

(9,844 posts)
45. totally agree... and FFS Dems need to start knocking some heads around about this and not let Rethugs constantly
Wed May 22, 2024, 02:13 PM
May 2024

whine about how unfairly their orange turd is being treated

LymphocyteLover

(9,844 posts)
43. This whole situation with this lunatic traitor running around free and Cannon ignoring his threat to national security
Wed May 22, 2024, 02:11 PM
May 2024

is beyond infuriating!

oasis

(53,692 posts)
44. Trump should never again have
Wed May 22, 2024, 02:12 PM
May 2024

access to classified documents.
This issue needs to be front and center throughout the 2024 presidential campaign.

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