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BumRushDaShow

(169,268 posts)
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:09 PM May 2024

Air Force unveils photos of B-21 Raider in flight as nuclear stealth bomber moves closer to deployment

Source: CBS News/AP

Updated on: May 27, 2024 / 10:40 AM EDT


The U.S. military has released photos of the B-21 Raider in flight as the futuristic warplane moves closer to becoming the nation's next nuclear stealth bomber.

The B-21 Raider began flight testing at Edwards Air Force Base in California, the Air Force said in a statement, as the plane "continues to make progress toward becoming the backbone of the U.S. Air Force bomber fleet."

One photograph shows the bomber soaring above the clouds while another image shows the aircraft just above the runway.


A B-21 Raider conducts ground testing, taxiing and flying operations at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. United States Air Force

The Air Force is planning to build 100 of the warplanes, which have a flying wing shape much like their predecessor the B-2 Spirit but will incorporate advanced materials, propulsion and stealth technology to make them more survivable in a future conflict. The plane is planned to be produced in variants with and without pilots.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/photos-b-21-raider-in-flight-new-nuclear-stealth-bomber-air-force/

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Air Force unveils photos of B-21 Raider in flight as nuclear stealth bomber moves closer to deployment (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2024 OP
You think the design team was sitting around and someone said: Docreed2003 May 2024 #1
I thought of something along those lines. captain queeg May 2024 #2
If you look closely enough True Dough May 2024 #29
Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon BumRushDaShow May 2024 #3
Looks like a flying halibut to me. coprolite May 2024 #6
Could be reverse engineering... AZ8theist May 2024 #10
David Grusch might have been onto something Polybius May 2024 #13
Yes of course. It has been stored in hanger 54 at Wright-Patt. Irish_Dem May 2024 #18
I was being sarcastic..... AZ8theist May 2024 #20
I'm an old Air Force brat and we loved these stories to pieces. Irish_Dem May 2024 #21
Actually, the B-21, and it predecessor, the B-2, look like something designed by Batman. Angleae May 2024 #11
Lethal limits know no bounds. czarjak May 2024 #4
welcome our SkyNet overlords Shellback Squid May 2024 #5
Trump would like to get a copy of all classified documents relating to this project dalton99a May 2024 #7
He probably got them. First thing. Irish_Dem May 2024 #19
They were in the second row of boxes, on the floor. The one with the splash stains. Marcuse May 2024 #30
Probably one of the empty folders. Irish_Dem May 2024 #32
Putin might pay for it in crypto if he's running low on Rubles IronLionZion May 2024 #22
Next up, disguise them as lenticular clouds. erronis May 2024 #8
I always thought clouds would be a good disguise for alien spaceships. Irish_Dem May 2024 #17
Irish_Dem Johnny999r May 2024 #42
I loved that movie. Irish_Dem May 2024 #43
32 Broken Arrow incidents since 1950 -- find the ones you lost first Ponietz May 2024 #9
And what we do know about military mishaps tells us that they are far from perfect. erronis May 2024 #12
Perhaps some UAP sightings were mistaken for this Polybius May 2024 #14
Sometimes when the US Air Force is testing new planes or equipment people report Irish_Dem May 2024 #16
If a flying object is unidentified, then it must be aliens IronLionZion May 2024 #23
..... LeftInTX May 2024 #27
Lol. As soon as I saw his later photos - that' s exactly where I went... electric_blue68 May 2024 #41
Good God it looks like a flying saucer. Irish_Dem May 2024 #15
Tell me these things are cheap Aussie105 May 2024 #24
Pentagon is keeping the cost secret right now. Probably around $700m-$1.3b per plane. Irish_Dem May 2024 #33
Looks like a rainrdrop with wings...which I suppose would be stealthy ArkansasDemocrat1 May 2024 #25
Will it come anywhere near Old Crank May 2024 #26
"lowered spec", huh? It will NOT be a military boondoggle Bernardo de La Paz May 2024 #28
Just basing my questions on some other advanced designs. Old Crank May 2024 #36
You know how they got the Bradley? jmowreader May 2024 #44
Looking like a boondoggle of sorts. Pentagon is fighting with Northrop Grumman Irish_Dem May 2024 #37
I thought the government was broke and couldn't afford anything John Shaft May 2024 #31
They can ALWAYS afford new toys for the generals and admirals.... lastlib May 2024 #35
Planes costing $1B each are just fine. Healthcare, education, Soc Sec, etc. costs too much. Irish_Dem May 2024 #38
Cool plane DetroitLegalBeagle May 2024 #34
..." in variants with and without pilots." republianmushroom May 2024 #39
How much did that cost? Brenda May 2024 #40

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
1. You think the design team was sitting around and someone said:
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:26 PM
May 2024

"You know what would be really AWESOME...let's make a futuristic bomber that looks like a freakin' UFO".

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
2. I thought of something along those lines.
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:35 PM
May 2024

Who’d of thought all those flying saucer movies weren’t too far off base?

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
18. Yes of course. It has been stored in hanger 54 at Wright-Patt.
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:49 PM
May 2024

A little something the Air Force confiscated at Roswell.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
21. I'm an old Air Force brat and we loved these stories to pieces.
Mon May 27, 2024, 10:11 PM
May 2024

We were sure they were true.

Angleae

(4,801 posts)
11. Actually, the B-21, and it predecessor, the B-2, look like something designed by Batman.
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:11 PM
May 2024

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
32. Probably one of the empty folders.
Tue May 28, 2024, 06:29 AM
May 2024

Those are the most concerning. We don't know who has the contents which were once in a folder that is now empty.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
17. I always thought clouds would be a good disguise for alien spaceships.
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:47 PM
May 2024

No one would notice a thing.

Johnny999r

(131 posts)
42. Irish_Dem
Thu May 30, 2024, 03:45 PM
May 2024

It seems the majority of "Sci fi" movies over the decades the alien spaceship emerges from a foreboding looking cloud formation. Special effects have come a long way since the 50s. Add to that the scary music and you have a great introduction. "GORT, KLAATU BARADA NIKTO". These words calmed the potential earth destroying robot in the classic 1951 movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still. The plot in this movie is still relevant to this day. However, the alien spaceship didn't enter the earth's atmosphere through a cloud and it apparently flew 250 million miles from it's home planet at a snails pace of 4k mph. Back then the producers of the movie had no idea of the vastness of space.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
43. I loved that movie.
Thu May 30, 2024, 04:03 PM
May 2024

The Day the Earth Stood Still.
Yes still relevant today, more so.

Yes we know a lot more about the universe than we did 60 years ago.

I mean a space ship that is actually built to look like a cloud.
Not hiding behind one. It would have to be half machine, half organic.
I don't know, I have not worked out the blueprint.

I didn't notice this in the old SF film, ships hiding behind clouds.

Ponietz

(4,315 posts)
9. 32 Broken Arrow incidents since 1950 -- find the ones you lost first
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:03 PM
May 2024
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220804-the-lost-nuclear-bombs-that-no-one-can-find]

In fact, the Palomares incident is not the only time a nuclear weapon has been misplaced. There have been at least 32 so-called "broken arrow" accidents – those involving these catastrophically destructive, earth-flattening devices – since 1950. In many cases, the weapons were dropped by mistake or jettisoned during an emergency, then later recovered. But three US bombs have gone missing altogether – they're still out there to this day, lurking in swamps, fields and oceans across the planet.
"We mostly know about the American cases," says Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Non-proliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Non-proliferation Studies, California. He explains that the full list only emerged when a summary prepared by the US Department of Defense was declassified in the 1980s.
Many occurred during the Cold War, when the nation teetered on the precipice of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) with the Soviet Union – and consequently kept airplanes armed with nuclear weapons in the sky at all times from 1960 to 1968, in an operation known as Chrome Dome.
"We don't know as much about other countries. We don't really know anything about the United Kingdom or France, or Russia or China," says Lewis. "So I don't think we have anything like a full accounting."

erronis

(23,764 posts)
12. And what we do know about military mishaps tells us that they are far from perfect.
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:15 PM
May 2024

In fact, the whole world is just an early beta test for what might happen if we start to rattle nuclear sabers at each other.

I do believe that the US programs in the 1950s-60s were pretty tightly controlled. We had just fought the "Last War" and knew that we needed to be very careful with these weapons and our own responsibility.

Once the Military Industrial Complex (or MIPC to add Political) took over Washington and money was made by hiring as many contractors and sub-contractors as possible, controls started to slip.

I don't fault the US military or all of the Govt Contracting Officers. But when they are facing off against a phalanx of $500,000/year lawyers and lobbyists and specialists, it's hard to force real quality. Especially when they may want a job on the other side of the rotating door.

Polybius

(21,871 posts)
14. Perhaps some UAP sightings were mistaken for this
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:30 PM
May 2024

Certainly looks like it could fool someone.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
16. Sometimes when the US Air Force is testing new planes or equipment people report
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:44 PM
May 2024

seeing a UFO. It's always funny when this happens.

IronLionZion

(51,198 posts)
23. If a flying object is unidentified, then it must be aliens
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:18 AM
May 2024



Which is always preferable to the enemy researching ways to defeat it.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
33. Pentagon is keeping the cost secret right now. Probably around $700m-$1.3b per plane.
Tue May 28, 2024, 06:49 AM
May 2024

Early estimates several years ago was around $700 million per aircraft.
However some estimates have it at $1.3 billion per unit due to cost overruns.

Which had the Pentagon steaming so they have been negotiating the price downward with
the manufacturer Northrup. Northrup may have to take a loss on the initial lot sold to the Pentagon.

So I figure at least $1 Billion per plane and we know the Pentagon ordered at least 6 of them.

Yes all paid for by you and me.

While young Americans cannot afford college or housing.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
25. Looks like a rainrdrop with wings...which I suppose would be stealthy
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:05 AM
May 2024

"Without pilots"

?????????

Say hello to our Skynet Overlords who with aerial refueling can stay in flight infinitely barring malfunctions

Old Crank

(6,997 posts)
26. Will it come anywhere near
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:16 AM
May 2024

The specs it wss designed for or will it be another military boondoggle that provides huge profit at lowered spec.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
28. "lowered spec", huh? It will NOT be a military boondoggle
Tue May 28, 2024, 05:00 AM
May 2024

It will be a military contractor boondoggle. The huge profit will be on the side of the industrial complex that feeds the military at the orders of the taxpaying voters who elect their representatives (more or less). The huge profits should be blamed on the commercial sphere.

Yes, it will "come anywhere near" the spec it was contracted for, but it would be foolish to expect 100% in every measure. Engineering for the edge of the envelope (a phrase originated in aviation engineering / pilot circles in WW2) is difficult and often devalued by lay people. It's not brain surgery; it's much closer to rocket science, especially for extremely advanced aircraft. Rocket science is only one of several branches of advanced aerospace engineering.

Old Crank

(6,997 posts)
36. Just basing my questions on some other advanced designs.
Tue May 28, 2024, 07:49 AM
May 2024

Bradley fighting vehicle. Littoral combat ship, the new destroyers with their special longrange gun. F35.

Currently it has been in development for 9 years.

I know that part of the problem stems from mission/design creep which also adds to the profits and reduced numbers of equipment.

jmowreader

(53,162 posts)
44. You know how they got the Bradley?
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:09 PM
May 2024

They first wanted to just build an armored personnel carrier that can keep up with the M1 Abrams. That's a logical goal - tanks and infantry work together, and if you've got a tank that can go 60mph cross-country and an APC that can go 25, you have a massive problem.

Then someone in the Pentagon found out about the Soviet BMP-1 and said, "let's make one of these, just without any communist parts in it." The result, in COL James Burton's words, was a troop carrier that can't carry troops.

If someone would have slipped them a picture of a Soviet MT-LB instead, we wouldn't be in this situation. The MT-LB is a REALLY good vehicle, and it doesn't have all the "combat systems" - guns, missiles, whatever you want - on it.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
37. Looking like a boondoggle of sorts. Pentagon is fighting with Northrop Grumman
Tue May 28, 2024, 09:58 AM
May 2024

over the B 21 costs which are so high the Pentagon won't even reveal the final price tag.

Several years ago the beginning price per unit was $700 million, now could go as high as $1b.

So yes we can assume that the specs won't be there and the cost will be astronomical.
Northrop is going to have to take a loss on the first batch.

Irish_Dem

(81,107 posts)
38. Planes costing $1B each are just fine. Healthcare, education, Soc Sec, etc. costs too much.
Tue May 28, 2024, 10:02 AM
May 2024

We are being conned each and every day.

Richest country in the world and we cannot enjoy the same standard of living as other modern countries.
It is a disgrace.

Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex.
Generals would scare politicians into buying very expensive toys.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,501 posts)
34. Cool plane
Tue May 28, 2024, 07:30 AM
May 2024

Always liked the flying wing designs.

Though I question that the USAF will actually buy 100 of these. It always seems like they cut down that number as cost over runs and new projects come up. I think over 100 B-2 bombers were originally planned and we wound up with only 21 of them. At nearly $2 billion each. Hopefully this one is a bit cheaper.

Brenda

(2,038 posts)
40. How much did that cost?
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:17 PM
May 2024

Ain't it grand that the Pentagon has unlimited use of taxpayers money to play with instead of that money actually being used for the real and immediate threats from climate chaos and having concrete plans for the coming enormous climate migration within America. Not just FEMA clean-up money, but millions of home and business buy-outs and successful relocation programs.

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