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BumRushDaShow

(169,760 posts)
Thu May 30, 2024, 04:41 PM May 2024

Trump guilty on all 34 counts in hush money trial, in historic first for a former U.S. president

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Source: CNBC

Published Thu, May 30 2024 4:38 PM EDT Updated Moments Ago


A New York jury on Thursday found former President Donald Trump guilty of all 34 felony charges of falsifying business records related to a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels by his then-personal lawyer before the 2016 election.

Trump is the first former U.S. president to be found guilty of any crime. His sentencing was quickly scheduled for July 11 at 10 a.m. ET.

Trump, who is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, faces a maximum possible sentence of four years in prison for each count. Trump's demeanor did not change during the reading of the verdict. His son Eric Trump looked angry after the jury foreman repeatedly said "guilty" to each count as it was read.

The 12-member jury deliberated less than 10 hours over two days before sending out a note to Judge Juan Merchan saying they had reached a verdict. Before the announcement, Trump, his lawyers, prosecutors and reporters expected the jury to be dismissed for the day at 4:30 p.m.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/30/trump-trial-verdict-hush-money.html










Article updated.

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Published Thu, May 30 2024 4:38 PM EDT Updated 4 Min Ago


A New York jury on Thursday found former President Donald Trump guilty of all 34 felony charges of falsifying business records related to a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels by his then-personal lawyer before the 2016 election.

Trump is the first former U.S. president to be found guilty of any crime.

Trump's demeanor did not change during the reading of the verdict. His son, Eric Trump, looked angry.

This is developing news. Check back for updates.



Trump guilty in hush money trial of all 34 felony counts

Published Thu, May 30 2024 4:38 PM EDT Updated Moments Ago

A New York jury on Thursday found former President Donald Trump guilty of all 34 felony charges of falsifying business records related to a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels by his then-personal lawyer before the 2016 election.

Trump is the first former U.S. president to be found guilty of any crime.

This is developing news. Check back for updates.



Trump trial jury reaches verdict in hush money case


Published Thu, May 30 2024 4:38 PM EDT Updated 1 Min Ago


A jury has reached a verdict Thursday in the criminal hush money trial of former President Donald Trump in New York. The 12-member jury sent out a note to the trial judge at 4:20 p.m. ET.

"We the jury have a verdict. We would like an extra 30 minutes to fill out the forms if that'd be possible," the note said, according to Judge Juan Merchan, who read it out loud in the courtroom. /Jurors deliberated less than 10 hours over two days before sending out the note. Before the announcement, Trump, his lawyers, prosecutors and reporters expected the jury to be dismissed for the day at 4:30 p.m.

Trump was sitting in the courtroom with his arms crossed and a resigned look on his face minutes after the announcement was made. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg Jr., whose office is prosecuting Trump, entered the courtroom after the note was sent out.

Trump, 77, is charged in the case with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels by his then-personal lawyer Michael Cohen before the 2016 election.


Published Thu, May 30 2024 4:38 PM EDT Updated Moments Ago


A jury has reached a verdict Thursday in the criminal hush money trial of former President Donald Trump in New York.

The 12-member jury sent out a note to the trial judge at 4:20 p.m. ET saying they had reached a verdict after less than 10 hours of deliberations. The jurors asked for 30 minutes to complete the verdict forms.

Before the announcement in the courtroom, Trump, his lawyers, prosecutors and reporters expected the jury to be dismissed for the day at 4:30 p.m. Judge Juan Merchan had said he planned to send the panel home then. Trump was sitting in the courtroom with his arms crossed and a resigned look on his face minutes after the announcement was made.

Trump, 77, is charged in the case with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels by his then-personal lawyer Michael Cohen before the 2016 election.



Original article -

Published Thu, May 30 2024 4:38 PM EDT


A jury has reached a verdict Thursday in the criminal hush money trial of former President Donald Trump in New York.

Trump, 77, is charged in the case with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels by his then-personal lawyer Michael Cohen before the 2016 election.

The verdict in Manhattan Supreme Court came on the second day of deliberations after jurors heard readbacks of testimony by Cohen and former National Enquirer publisher David Pecker, as well as portions of legal instructions they received Wednesday from Judge Juan Merchan.

Trump is the first former U.S. president to be charged with a crime.
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Trump guilty on all 34 counts in hush money trial, in historic first for a former U.S. president (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2024 OP
" Merchan says the jury needs another 30 minutes to fill out the forms." RobertDevereaux May 2024 #1
Thanks for that info. Whew! nt CaliforniaPeggy May 2024 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile May 2024 #3
*GULP* How long? Two days? bucolic_frolic May 2024 #4
that means they are not deadlocked BWdem4life May 2024 #6
The prosecutor presented a good closing. LiberalFighter May 2024 #64
omg omg omg omg omg omg omg BWdem4life May 2024 #5
I know ... Delphinus May 2024 #8
you can go the whole 34 counts! Marthe48 May 2024 #17
From the NYT: Dulcinea May 2024 #97
I love the headline from the Queens Daily Eagle! Dulcinea May 2024 #168
That was pretty fast Deminpenn May 2024 #7
damning evidence Marthe48 May 2024 #22
Agree Deminpenn May 2024 #30
Yep. Pecker's was the stronger, more damning testimony onetexan May 2024 #50
EEEEKK!! Bayard May 2024 #9
I feel sick Mz Pip May 2024 #10
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS. Hilarious. oldsoftie May 2024 #11
Wow, I can't believe it! beaglelover May 2024 #13
Yes!! DeeDeeNY May 2024 #14
34 for 45!! 😁 onetexan May 2024 #148
It's a great day for justice! Dulcinea May 2024 #90
It's mojito time! Hikerchick57 May 2024 #129
Guilty!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2024 #12
Jumping Jesus shitballs. Holy motherfucking shitstains!! Piss on a pine cone!! Got that fuckface Orange Turd. SoFlaBro May 2024 #15
He's eating shit and dying as we speak Ponietz May 2024 #70
Not necessarily in that order. SoFlaBro May 2024 #72
if we're lucky he'll pop a vein & drop morte onetexan May 2024 #86
Oh come on, don't hold back. sheshe2 May 2024 #76
I can be quite shy when elated. SoFlaBro May 2024 #81
Lol 😂 I'm so excited 😆 sheshe2 May 2024 #114
LOL onetexan May 2024 #122
I can't believe that Stormy Daniels was the hero we all fucking needed!! SoFlaBro May 2024 #131
She brought down the house! sheshe2 May 2024 #137
In the immortal words of one Capt. Kirk. sdfernando May 2024 #128
Orange Bastard getting ready to learn how to make toilet wine in prison. Glorious!! SoFlaBro May 2024 #165
Awesome !! TeamProg May 2024 #16
Thank You New York !! Pluvious May 2024 #18
YES, YES, YES!!!! mountain grammy May 2024 #19
Awesome Deminpenn May 2024 #20
WOOT! WOOT! WOOT!! Bayard May 2024 #21
Twice impeached, convicted on porn star hush money, IronLionZion May 2024 #23
34 counts of fake business documents to hide another Delmette2.0 May 2024 #62
He won't be going to jail NanaCat May 2024 #84
Probably True OhioTim May 2024 #99
It's not just gonna be a staycation. ArkansasDemocrat1 May 2024 #110
I wish IronLionZion May 2024 #93
Probably some version of house arrest. calimary May 2024 #103
Mayor Adams confirmed that Rikers is prepared to process him for incarceration IronLionZion May 2024 #115
I just love Mayor Adams. He is one cool mayor, which you have to be to be Mayor of NYC... CTyankee May 2024 #166
Mayor Adams' platform was tough on crime IronLionZion May 2024 #172
I am confident Mayor Adams is not impressed/afraid of Trump or his minions... CTyankee May 2024 #177
Glenn Kirshner said he thinks Judge Merchon w give him some amount of incarceration. I certainly hope so. onetexan May 2024 #167
I hope so. Even for a short while would be great IronLionZion May 2024 #173
What the absolute minimum he can get though because I'm thinking he'll get that or he'll get paroled. cstanleytech May 2024 #174
He won't have good behavior, so it will be fun to have him argue in front of a parole board IronLionZion May 2024 #175
Not if he's sentenced to parole. cstanleytech May 2024 #176
Don't forget he was found guilty of sexual abuse BlueAllTheWay May 2024 #125
All of that qualifies him for the GOP candidate for president IronLionZion May 2024 #149
That was civil. Can't be guilty in civil, only legally responsible. Different standard AZLD4Candidate May 2024 #155
So, I guess we'll all see if his supporters are going to "riot in the streets" like TSF was claiming. nt TeamProg May 2024 #24
I was just thinking that. birdographer May 2024 #34
TSF is blaming Biden again eventhough this is a NY State conviction. Time for Biden to speak out. nt TeamProg May 2024 #25
Yes. What. A. Wonderful. Day. 😍👏 Cheers!🍷 lucca18 May 2024 #26
LOCK HIM UP!!! LOCK HIM UP!!! LOCK HIM UP!!! FoxNewsSucks May 2024 #27
Now let's see if he gets jail time for THIRTY FOUR FELONIES. SunSeeker May 2024 #28
WHOO FUCKING HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Novara May 2024 #29
Ha ha! TeamProg May 2024 #31
It was rigged I tell ya. Rigged. hay rick May 2024 #32
TSF's lawyers had every chance to remove any Juror they did not like.. All was done correctly. GUILTY. nt TeamProg May 2024 #33
surprised but delighted. republianmushroom May 2024 #35
LOL BumRushDaShow May 2024 #41
Sentencing on July 11 at 10am ET slightlv May 2024 #36
change "consecutively" to "concurrently" Ponietz May 2024 #68
you're right..,. slightlv May 2024 #74
Almost guaranteed no jail time. He is a presidrntial candidate wnylib May 2024 #121
Maybe I'm just high on elation... slightlv May 2024 #130
I think that we should enjoy our elation today and wnylib May 2024 #138
Why is he walkiing free out the courtroom? Backseat Driver May 2024 #37
You don't get locked up right away NanaCat May 2024 #94
Worldwide Message!!! wolfie001 May 2024 #38
$64Zillion Question -- how much difference will that make to the undecided or the already weakly pro-Trump vote? cloudythescribbler May 2024 #39
A lot, I think. Joinfortmill May 2024 #44
Thank you, NY!!! Joinfortmill May 2024 #40
DONALD J TRUMP IS NOW A COMVICTED FELON!!!! ShazzieB May 2024 #42
From the Shovel: Extra from Home Alone 2 Found Guilty of Fraud SorellaLaBefana May 2024 #108
A toast! RussBLib May 2024 #43
Cheers! BadgerMom May 2024 #63
While it is a good day for the country, SouthBayDem May 2024 #45
And now he can't vote in many states, including FL jpl166 May 2024 #46
Oh that's hilarious. yardwork May 2024 #79
Not true. NanaCat May 2024 #111
Yea, and we all know why he's not a felon in Florida. bluestarone May 2024 #145
Did Anyone Else Belt Out BlueKota May 2024 #47
I just got up and danced like a crazy woman! calimary May 2024 #92
Such a great day! BlueKota May 2024 #127
And then I ate some chocolate fudge from the Brigittine monks! calimary May 2024 #139
I wonder if that means they work with holy cows? calimary May 2024 #141
From now on the media can refer to Trump as a "convicted felon." sop May 2024 #48
Why can't I rec this another 99 times? calimary May 2024 #142
He is now ineligible to vote in his state of residence, Florida. mn9driver May 2024 #49
He can vote if he gets probation. NanaCat May 2024 #113
YAHOOIE LOOIE! GiqueCee May 2024 #51
34 of 34, shades of Joe Dimaggio! GreenWave May 2024 #52
GOT YOU YOU BASTARD !!!!! Johnny Noshoes May 2024 #53
I raise my glass of wine to the brave and thouough jurors! Callalily May 2024 #54
Cheers! AKwannabe May 2024 #60
omg!! YAY, FINALLY, HAVEN'T BEEN THIS HAPPY IN AGES!!! hermetic May 2024 #55
I hope another bit of American exceptionalism is on its way out Vogon_Glory May 2024 #56
Hats off to Peru, especially Ponietz May 2024 #73
Should someone send Donnie a little Peruvian flag? Vogon_Glory May 2024 #85
American exceptionalism has always included the rule of law. Martin68 May 2024 #160
It used to Vogon_Glory May 2024 #170
EXceptionalism is by definition a biased view of history and culture, seasoned with a lot of hypocrisy. Martin68 May 2024 #178
I guess there will be no champaign in the Kremlin tonight! 70sEraVet May 2024 #57
It's a HAPPY day for me - YASSSS!! iluvtennis May 2024 #58
Thank you New York! You're the GREATEST STATE! FakeNoose May 2024 #59
Hell to the yes! Glamrock May 2024 #61
"guilty on all 34 counts" - - Damn, that sure sounds great!!!! Talitha May 2024 #65
Take him into custody. Hold the CONVICTED loser boy in jail pending sentencing. Attilatheblond May 2024 #66
It's a non-violent felony conviction NanaCat May 2024 #119
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. William769 May 2024 #67
This is just the beginning btw, wait until the electoral fraud trial goes in. joshcryer May 2024 #69
Maddow Blog-Jury finds Donald Trump guilty in hush-money trial on all counts LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #71
There will be Dancing in the Streets! flashman13 May 2024 #75
CONVICTED FELON Fuckface! NanaCat May 2024 #77
As an old friend use'ta say, 3Hotdogs May 2024 #78
Is SCOTUS listening? bucolic_frolic May 2024 #80
THANK YOU for adding the NYTimes front page. calimary May 2024 #82
... BumRushDaShow May 2024 #89
Lolololol ismnotwasm May 2024 #83
Every where traitortrump goes he should hear 34 times, "Guilty!" Hermit-The-Prog May 2024 #87
Oh YEAH! CapnSteve May 2024 #88
Don the Con guilty on all charges confirm Hassler May 2024 #91
Trump fought the law and the law won.......... Bengus81 May 2024 #96
Trump was able to win a popular vote! Buzz Fledderjohn May 2024 #95
One of those times one is *HAPPY* to have been wrong!! SorellaLaBefana May 2024 #98
That's what I thought too. Demobrat May 2024 #118
oh boy... myohmy2 May 2024 #100
In other words BumRushDaShow May 2024 #109
oh my... myohmy2 May 2024 #156
Excellent, excellent, excellent!!!!! MarineCombatEngineer May 2024 #101
It will be an epic night for the late night shows! William Seger May 2024 #102
Thank goodness! Hikerchick57 May 2024 #104
Thank you jury members, you are American heroes! OverBurn May 2024 #105
HA!!! WestMichRad May 2024 #106
Hell to the Yesssss!!!!! oswaldactedalone May 2024 #107
Convicted Fellon. It's about time! ffr May 2024 #112
Biden-Harris Campaign Statement on Today's Verdict LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #116
We must now pray for our jurors. The Grand Illuminist May 2024 #117
To the surprise of no one with a brain. Rizen May 2024 #120
Actually juries can be fickle, so this is actually HUGE! FailureToCommunicate May 2024 #123
Absolutely orangecrush May 2024 #136
let the justice begin!!!! et tu May 2024 #124
So PROUD of the judge and the jury! NoSheep May 2024 #126
This has made my day! pandr32 May 2024 #132
Stormy should receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom! Ligyron May 2024 #133
All twelve jurors should receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom! raging moderate May 2024 #152
One small conviction for a past president, markodochartaigh May 2024 #134
Now he will be reunited with his felon Americans. nt Xipe Totec May 2024 #135
SUCK IT FUCKO! Blue Owl May 2024 #140
I just got up from a nap! MuseRider May 2024 #143
It was definitely the right verdict, based on all the evidence, but I can't help but be a little surprised. fishwax May 2024 #144
Hey MAGA bastards, including the ones who called Trump God's chosen, where's your Messiah now? tornado34jh May 2024 #146
Karmic justice Deminpenn May 2024 #147
Dumbbell and Daybell guilty, both in one day. KY_EnviroGuy May 2024 #150
Best news in a very long time! Dave Bowman May 2024 #151
Good. I hope the judge sentences him to the maximum on all counts, to run consecutively... malthaussen May 2024 #153
I bet he really was.... COL Mustard May 2024 #154
This scotches any thought that Trump will ever debate Biden. LudwigPastorius May 2024 #157
OMG, wow. After all the times he's pulled victory out of his ass, I was worried he'd win this one too. Martin68 May 2024 #158
Cheers!! RussBLib May 2024 #159
What should he get for a sentence? Wolf Frankula May 2024 #161
Trump is a life sentence Turbineguy May 2024 #162
GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!!! 34 for 34 !!!!!! DING DONG, The WITCH IS DEAD! DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #163
I reported this at work, not to "gloat" (although I did plenty of that, heh), but to gauge my coworkers' 4lbs May 2024 #164
And yet . . . Aussie105 May 2024 #169
This is my all-time favorite DU thread! Did anyone see Rep. Jamie Raskin on MSNBC yesterday? He was glowing! LaMouffette May 2024 #171
Two words will stay with Trump forever and forever. ."CONVICTED FELON" Stuart G Jun 2024 #179

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Dulcinea

(10,088 posts)
97. From the NYT:
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:23 PM
May 2024

"He is the first American president to be declared a felon, a stain he will carry as he seeks to regain the presidency."

Fuck off, Dolt 45. YOU LOSE. AGAIN.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
7. That was pretty fast
Thu May 30, 2024, 04:53 PM
May 2024

considering on Wednesday most of the morning was taken up by jury instructions, then the notes asking for transcripts of Pecker and Cohen and to hear part of the instructions again. Again this morning, the jury heard all the information and pages 6 thru 35 of the jury instructions, then they had lunch. A rough estimate is about 5 or 6 total hours spent in actual discussions.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
30. Agree
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:27 PM
May 2024

The jurors must have been unanimous on their first straw vote and the notes asking to hear the testimony and the instructions were just to cross t's and dot i's

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
50. Yep. Pecker's was the stronger, more damning testimony
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:44 PM
May 2024

Than Cohen, though it was Cohen who tied all the loose ends up as the consigliere. While i did expect a guilty verdict i was thinking delibs wld take much longer. Evidence was overwhelming indeed.

Dulcinea

(10,088 posts)
90. It's a great day for justice!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:19 PM
May 2024

I was saying to my daughter that the jury came back pretty quickly & that meant Dolt 45 would be found guilty on at least some of the counts. All of them! Excellent!

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
15. Jumping Jesus shitballs. Holy motherfucking shitstains!! Piss on a pine cone!! Got that fuckface Orange Turd.
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:12 PM
May 2024

sdfernando

(6,084 posts)
128. In the immortal words of one Capt. Kirk.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:51 PM
May 2024

Don't mince words SoFlaBro, tell me what you really think

Pluvious

(5,395 posts)
18. Thank You New York !!
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:16 PM
May 2024

It's just so f'n delish that it was New Yorkers taking him down, and all due to his vile ways with a woman - she has secured herself into our country's history

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
23. Twice impeached, convicted on porn star hush money,
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:22 PM
May 2024

douchebag is making history all over the place

Delmette2.0

(4,504 posts)
62. 34 counts of fake business documents to hide another
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:50 PM
May 2024

crime. 34 felonies, 4 years each, possible maximum sentence 136 years.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
110. It's not just gonna be a staycation.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:30 PM
May 2024

Copy/Paste from another comment

The entire rest of his life is gonna be controlled by others. No more flying off to Monaco or cheating on golf. He's gonna have to stay home. Every day. Until he dies. Every day. No unsupervised trips. Visitors will also be searched, must be identified and logged and for a limited time daily. His home will be regularly searched and tossed. Unannounced searches. Food might be better but he has to pay for it. If he's wiped out financially, he'll lose Marbled Legos.

Not good enough, but it's the start we got.

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
93. I wish
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:20 PM
May 2024

but I doubt he'll get much if any prison time. Sentencing should be very interesting.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
103. Probably some version of house arrest.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:26 PM
May 2024

Seems to me it should AT LEAST be that. Although actual jail or prison time would be EXTREMELY well-deserved!

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
115. Mayor Adams confirmed that Rikers is prepared to process him for incarceration
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:35 PM
May 2024

if he does get some time. A perp walk in cuffs would be great. He'd be isolated from other prisoners and have secret service protection.

But more likely some sort of house arrest. I wish he would be ineligible to run for president. His supporters would absolutely try to "make history" by electing a convicted felon.

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
166. I just love Mayor Adams. He is one cool mayor, which you have to be to be Mayor of NYC...
Fri May 31, 2024, 02:34 AM
May 2024

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
172. Mayor Adams' platform was tough on crime
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:29 AM
May 2024

and the most high profile criminal now is Donald J. Trump

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
167. Glenn Kirshner said he thinks Judge Merchon w give him some amount of incarceration. I certainly hope so.
Fri May 31, 2024, 06:23 AM
May 2024

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
173. I hope so. Even for a short while would be great
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:31 AM
May 2024

and it would keep him off the campaign trail. He can pretend to be like Nelson Mandela or Bobby Sands or something, running for office from prison

cstanleytech

(28,472 posts)
174. What the absolute minimum he can get though because I'm thinking he'll get that or he'll get paroled.
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:38 AM
May 2024

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
175. He won't have good behavior, so it will be fun to have him argue in front of a parole board
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:42 AM
May 2024

as he spews insults and threats at them.

BlueAllTheWay

(12 posts)
125. Don't forget he was found guilty of sexual abuse
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:48 PM
May 2024

In the Jean Carroll case. The guy is a Criminal, a Fraud, a Con Man, a Liar, and a Rapist!

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
149. All of that qualifies him for the GOP candidate for president
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:34 PM
May 2024

But I still retain hope that enough voters will vote against him in the general election and against the idiotic party that enabled his crimes and covered them up.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,780 posts)
155. That was civil. Can't be guilty in civil, only legally responsible. Different standard
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:10 PM
May 2024

Civil has no guilty or innocence, just legally responsible or not legally responsible.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
24. So, I guess we'll all see if his supporters are going to "riot in the streets" like TSF was claiming. nt
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:23 PM
May 2024

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
34. I was just thinking that.
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:30 PM
May 2024

And what about the cult members who were standing outside yesterday weeping and sobbing and rending their garments because their Lord was on trial? Maybe they will go to Mar-a-Lardo and fall on their spears or something.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
25. TSF is blaming Biden again eventhough this is a NY State conviction. Time for Biden to speak out. nt
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:25 PM
May 2024
 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
33. TSF's lawyers had every chance to remove any Juror they did not like.. All was done correctly. GUILTY. nt
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:29 PM
May 2024

republianmushroom

(22,326 posts)
35. surprised but delighted.
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:30 PM
May 2024

More faith in NY's justice system than the crooked federal justice system.
40 months and counting (includes foot dragging)

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
36. Sentencing on July 11 at 10am ET
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:32 PM
May 2024

4 years for each count would make it 136 years! (LOL)

Hubs said they'll probably run them consecutively, meaning 4 years total (maybe).

Any bets on whether his "free on bail" at this point means he's going to run to Dubai or Moscow?

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
74. you're right..,.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:04 PM
May 2024

hubby had it wrong and I didnt catch it. Thanks!

I'll party with "concurrently"....!!!!!

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
121. Almost guaranteed no jail time. He is a presidrntial candidate
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:43 PM
May 2024

and, although the conviction is for multiple felony counts, they are not major crimes like murder.

My guess is fines for each count plus probation. The fines should be maximum on each count, IMO, but probably won't be.

No part of the sentence will be carried out until the appeals process is finished. That will take us past election day.



slightlv

(7,790 posts)
130. Maybe I'm just high on elation...
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:53 PM
May 2024

right now, but I'm not ready to say he'll not get jail time. I'm still going to hold out hope!

I do agree about the appeal, obviously. That's a given. The man sues at the drop of a hat. Whether it'll be accepted on any grounds HE alludes to or not, is something else. I'm of the opinion that an appeal is not an automatic thing in NY for him. I do agree the whole thing will take us past election day.

But we DO have multiple convictions now for a freaking candidate, and I can't help but believe that will work in OUR favor come election day!

wnylib

(26,016 posts)
138. I think that we should enjoy our elation today and
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:13 PM
May 2024

for the next few days.

But then we will need to get to work on the Biden campaign. These convictions will energize Trump supporters to get out and vote under the rallying cry that the trial was political persecution. They will react to it the same way that we react to the overturning of Roe.

So, today we enjoy the big news. Then we buckle down to elect Biden.

Backseat Driver

(4,671 posts)
37. Why is he walkiing free out the courtroom?
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:32 PM
May 2024

No consequences? Not even giving up a passport? His Chubb-provided bond was for contempt of court for violating a gag order, no?

No consequences for 6 weeks?

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
94. You don't get locked up right away
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:21 PM
May 2024

For cases like this.

Really.

Sentencing will be later, and will probably be probation, anyway.

cloudythescribbler

(2,598 posts)
39. $64Zillion Question -- how much difference will that make to the undecided or the already weakly pro-Trump vote?
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:32 PM
May 2024

The man (DJT) says and does things that no reasonable person would EVER vote for, against any halfway-decent alternative, which Biden certainly is (and much better than he gets credit for).

So I am unsure whether this totally disqualifying news (which would normally have a major party find a new candidate, even at this late date) will significantly change the polls, especially when DJT inevitably appeals. Polls say that a number of voters have SAID this is a red line for them but, as Clemenceau said about Wilson's 14 points -- "We shall see"

SorellaLaBefana

(509 posts)
108. From the Shovel: Extra from Home Alone 2 Found Guilty of Fraud
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:29 PM
May 2024

An un-named extra in the 1992 film Home Alone 2 has been found guilty by a New York jury of falsifying business documents.

The man, believed to now be in his 70s, has just one line in the film – “Down the hall and to the left” – which is coincidentally the same words that officers will use when showing him to his prison cell in the coming weeks...

https://theshovel.com.au/2024/05/31/breaking-extra-from-home-alone-2-arrested/

RussBLib

(10,635 posts)
43. A toast!
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:33 PM
May 2024

To the courageous jurors, and all the people involved in the realm of justice!

Salud!!

BadgerMom

(3,417 posts)
63. Cheers!
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:52 PM
May 2024

AND
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But, I have to admit, I have Georgia on my mind.

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NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
111. Not true.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:31 PM
May 2024

Read the map more carefully. Florida is orange on that map, which means SOME people with felony convictions cannot vote. NOT ALL.

A felony conviction in another state makes a person ineligible to vote in Florida only if the conviction would make the person ineligible to vote in the state where the person was convicted.

https://www.usvotefoundation.org/voting-rights-restoration/florida

And in New York, you can have a felony conviction and vote if you are on probation, but not if you're in prison. I hate to break it to you, but it's exceedingly likely that this traitor gets probation, not a prison sentence.

https://www.nyclu.org/resources/know-your-rights/voting-criminal-record

Probation means he can vote in Florida.

BlueKota

(5,346 posts)
47. Did Anyone Else Belt Out
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:37 PM
May 2024

Happy Days Are Here Again or was it just me? Never been so happy to be wrong in almost all my life! I thought sure we'd get a hung jury.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
92. I just got up and danced like a crazy woman!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:19 PM
May 2024

While pumping my fists with mad, passionate JOY!!!

calimary

(90,021 posts)
139. And then I ate some chocolate fudge from the Brigittine monks!
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:15 PM
May 2024

A very delicious celebratory move if I do say so myself!

I just might go get some more…

calimary

(90,021 posts)
141. I wonder if that means they work with holy cows?
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:18 PM
May 2024

Heck, I‘ve been shouting “Holy Cow” since the verdict was announced!

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
113. He can vote if he gets probation.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:34 PM
May 2024

Really.

Florida allows felons to vote if the state where they were convicted will allow them the vote. In New York, convicted felons serving probation can vote.

It's extremely likely that he will get a probated sentence.

GiqueCee

(4,259 posts)
51. YAHOOIE LOOIE!
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:44 PM
May 2024

The South End of a Northbound Yak is goin' DOWN!

I don't think the 14th Amendment can be applied in this case, and, as astounding as it may seem, I'm not sure that 34 felony convictions can prevent him from still running for president. How fucked up is THAT?!!?

Well, let's savor the schadenfreude while we can; the appeals process will be long and arduous.

Callalily

(15,394 posts)
54. I raise my glass of wine to the brave and thouough jurors!
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:47 PM
May 2024

I am elated, as is the rest (or most) of the country.

Vogon_Glory

(10,297 posts)
56. I hope another bit of American exceptionalism is on its way out
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:47 PM
May 2024

Several Latin American countries have not only tried but JAILED some of their crooked ex-presidents. I hope that the judge and jury follows through and we do the same.

Vogon_Glory

(10,297 posts)
85. Should someone send Donnie a little Peruvian flag?
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:14 PM
May 2024

Assuming he’d understand the significance?

Vogon_Glory

(10,297 posts)
170. It used to
Fri May 31, 2024, 07:37 AM
May 2024

I personally believe that there was always a tone of racism lying underneath it, that the civil wars, the coups d’etat, the corruption, and the replacement of rule of law by dictatorship was something a lot of Americans in and out of ruling circles believed was at least partially caused by the Latin Americans being (supposedly) inferior brown people and not of European descent. This strand began to gather more strength while Dubya was President (Although to give Dubya credit, he opposed it), then came into full flower when Donald John began running for president. This strand is still very much there and is likely to linger in Republican voter psychology for decades to come.

That Latin American countries can and do occasionally prosecute and even jail crooked ex-presidents is something I don’t think little MAGAs want to think about.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
178. EXceptionalism is by definition a biased view of history and culture, seasoned with a lot of hypocrisy.
Fri May 31, 2024, 12:34 PM
May 2024

You are absolutely correct about the racism inherent in American exceptionalism. As there was in British exceptionalism, French exceptionalism, Japanese exceptionalism, and probably every country with a similar theory of superiority. When I lived in Liberian bush for two years, I was shocked to find out that the people of my small village didn't trust and felt superior to the people in the next village down the road. It appears to be a deep-seated instinct in humans that can only be softened through education.

Talitha

(7,988 posts)
65. "guilty on all 34 counts" - - Damn, that sure sounds great!!!!
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:53 PM
May 2024


Enjoy your evening, everyone!

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
66. Take him into custody. Hold the CONVICTED loser boy in jail pending sentencing.
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:54 PM
May 2024

If ever there was a flight risk....

By the way, does this mean he can't vote for himself in November?

Edited to add: yeah, I know, Wishful thinking on my part, but OH, make him stay put.

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
119. It's a non-violent felony conviction
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:38 PM
May 2024

So no, he won't go to jail pending sentence.

His right to vote hinges on if he goes to jail, or if he gets probation.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
71. Maddow Blog-Jury finds Donald Trump guilty in hush-money trial on all counts
Thu May 30, 2024, 05:59 PM
May 2024

During his political career, Donald Trump has racked up an amazing number of firsts. Now, he's the first former president to be found guilty of felonies.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/jury-finds-donald-trump-guilty-hush-money-trial-counts-rcna154784

During his relatively brief political career, Donald Trump has racked up an amazing number of firsts. The Republican is, for example, the first president to be impeached twice. He’s also the first candidate to ever win the presidency despite never having served the public in any way.

Trump is the first former president to have been liable for sexual abuse. He was the first president to get caught overseeing a fraudulent charity. And a fraudulent university. And a business that was found to have repeatedly committed fraud.

In 2021, Trump became the first president to deny his successor a peaceful transition of power in the wake of his defeat. He was similarly the first president to try to hold onto power in defiance of election voters......

The presumptive GOP nominee can now add a new first to the list: Trump is the first former president to be found guilty of multiple felonies. My MSNBC colleague Jordan Rubin explained:

Donald Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. ... Trump’s sentencing will happen at a later date. Incarceration is not mandatory in this case. For each count, Trump could just be fined or receive a maximum sentence of up to 4 years (though under such a sentence he could still be released in closer to a year).


An NBC News report confirmed that Judge Juan Merchan ordered a sentencing hearing to begin at 10 a.m. on July 11. The Republican National Convention is scheduled to begin on July 15.


 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
77. CONVICTED FELON Fuckface!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:06 PM
May 2024

Finally!

I don't make it a habit around here to curse, but bloody hell, this occasion calls for it.

CONVICTED FELON Fuckface!

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
78. As an old friend use'ta say,
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:07 PM
May 2024

This tickles my scrotum.


And as my students would say, "Fuck 'im up."

calimary

(90,021 posts)
82. THANK YOU for adding the NYTimes front page.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:12 PM
May 2024

I'd been looking for that visual! One to be saved, for sure!

CapnSteve

(405 posts)
88. Oh YEAH!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:15 PM
May 2024

The People: 34, Donnie: 0

Democracy wins! All Republicans need to have this albatross hung around their necks. Cue the blue tsunami!

SorellaLaBefana

(509 posts)
98. One of those times one is *HAPPY* to have been wrong!!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:23 PM
May 2024

Was certain it would end with a hung jury (as only would have taken ONE)!

I do not know if I would have had the courage these jurors have shown.

Demobrat

(10,299 posts)
118. That's what I thought too.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:38 PM
May 2024

1-2 holdouts who saw themselves as saviors would hang it up. So glad they all just considered the facts.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
101. Excellent, excellent, excellent!!!!!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:25 PM
May 2024

Just heard on my CB radio and to give credit to the majority of my fellow road warriors, they are cheering, Been A Dick Donald is not very popular with truck drivers after his policies towards truck drivers...

Great job Jurors.

WestMichRad

(3,254 posts)
106. HA!!!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:29 PM
May 2024

Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
116. Biden-Harris Campaign Statement on Today's Verdict
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:36 PM
May 2024

We need to turn out and vote to keep this felon out of the White House



The Grand Illuminist

(2,040 posts)
117. We must now pray for our jurors.
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:37 PM
May 2024

The followers are relentless and will kill. I hope the mayor and the governor gives executive orders to law enforment by providing long term security to protect this brave 12 people from the vindication of Trump followers.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,605 posts)
123. Actually juries can be fickle, so this is actually HUGE!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:45 PM
May 2024

It might have gone a different way.

pandr32

(14,272 posts)
132. This has made my day!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:54 PM
May 2024

Probably the whole week. I hope his insides melt down.
I also believe he may be sentenced to some time, at least. He should be locked up right now instead of inciting people to violence and chaos. He is running to avoid accountability and to continue to enrich himself, and not to serve the country in any way.
He has deaths on his hands and is a danger at home and abroad.
Prison for TSF!

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
133. Stormy should receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom!
Thu May 30, 2024, 06:56 PM
May 2024

She took one for the team, and while a horrible experience no doubt, she, like many of us, myself included, have fucked worse.

Now a convicted felon, Trump has the distinction of being the only President so labeled and he has even more serious trials ahead.

This is a great day for America demonstrating no man is above the law.

raging moderate

(4,624 posts)
152. All twelve jurors should receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom!
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:59 PM
May 2024

They are all brave heroes!

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
143. I just got up from a nap!
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:20 PM
May 2024

I was, of course, going to look for this right away to see if anything had come out while I conked out never guessing or thinking it would happen this fast and this fully. I usually do not have my glass of wine until I eat dinner or after around 9. I am drinking now and I will drink later, I cannot even imagine a better reason to get totally shit faced after the horses are fed and put away. The risk of tornados has dropped so if I post later please cut me some slack. I am 70 and have always been a bad drinker, I feel great but my brain detaches easily.

This feels rather like the guy who punches you for fun and never gets caught but has been seen punching you and his parents have been called in.

This is a win for every person, even the R's, because we have finally shown the world we do not like to be pushed around by a big, stinking bully. This big stinking bully has no idea how this could happen, how or why. He is so far gone he has no clue that he cannot treat all the rest of us this way and even though he thinks he has enough people on his side even they have a limit. Granted we have not seen that happen yet, the stupid is still out there but I know if it was me he would be in a nasty, cold and almost cruel cell for the rest of his ill begotten life. Cruel enough to make him wish he was dead but not torture.

I do not know what the MAGATS are going to do with this, it will be interesting to see what happens. I would guess that a lot of them will say they are sticking with him just because the are afraid of the others out there. That seems to happen a lot. They will not vote for him but they will say they are, I have a cousin like that (I hope).

Actually it really stinks for us to all have had to go through this. There is still a long way to go. We must help our "not so smart or kind" citizens to feel the goodness of not being cruel. To not have to worry that the guy next to you, who has all the power (some men) isn't really sliding his hand up your thigh during the board meeting and that is is totally OK to stand up, smack the back of his head and go call his wife.

Suffer Mr. Trump, as so many have under your stupid, rich thumb.

fishwax

(29,346 posts)
144. It was definitely the right verdict, based on all the evidence, but I can't help but be a little surprised.
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:21 PM
May 2024

A good day for justice!

tornado34jh

(1,527 posts)
146. Hey MAGA bastards, including the ones who called Trump God's chosen, where's your Messiah now?
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:30 PM
May 2024

Where is your fucking God's chosen now, huh? You idiots fell for it hook, line, and sinker! Serves that wannabe authoritarian dictator right! So now, Republicans bastards, what you going to do now that your king has been convicted? You now support a conman and felon, but you're probably too stupid to realize how much you have been had. Trump only cares for himself and power. He only used you as pawns in his whole game. Look who's crying now! You have lost any right to talk about morality and the like since you now support a conman and wannabe dictator. So shut the hell up and deal with the fact you have been had! Oh I love this schadenfreude against this bastard. My MAGA coworker, if she talks about this tomorrow, I will laugh till I get home. The funny thing about this, these MAGA bastards want to ban pornography, yet it took exactly one of them to knock their messiah down.


Now if MAGA does violence because of this verdict, they should be treated like the scum they are!

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
147. Karmic justice
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:31 PM
May 2024

- August 2024 marks 50 years since Nixon resigned the presidency
- An AfAm man and AfAm woman convicted Trump 3 times
- An 81 year woman and her women lawyers extracted 85M in monetary damages and a judge's opinion that Trump sexually assaulted her.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
150. Dumbbell and Daybell guilty, both in one day.
Thu May 30, 2024, 07:36 PM
May 2024

Double win for justice in America!.......

These jurors, this judge and the prosecution team all deserve a very long vacation.

malthaussen

(18,572 posts)
153. Good. I hope the judge sentences him to the maximum on all counts, to run consecutively...
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:07 PM
May 2024

... of course, he'll appeal. Is there any way they can throw his sorry ass into the slammer while he does?

-- Mal

COL Mustard

(8,222 posts)
154. I bet he really was....
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:07 PM
May 2024

Donald von Shitzenpants tonight. Can't wait to see Jimmy Kimmel's take on this!

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
157. This scotches any thought that Trump will ever debate Biden.
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:26 PM
May 2024

All Joe has to do is stand up there and say, "you can vote for me, or you can vote for the convicted felon".

Biden can pummel Trump with this at a debate and Trump has no comeback for it. The adjudicated rapist and convicted felon will sit in his Florida roach motel and send out tweets rather than actually show up and confront the president.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
158. OMG, wow. After all the times he's pulled victory out of his ass, I was worried he'd win this one too.
Thu May 30, 2024, 10:22 PM
May 2024

This is a historic day for the Republic, one which will stand as a turning point in the drift towards fascism. I'm not suggesting the danger is over, but this was an essential step towards proving that the rule of law still stands, and the American system of justice has not been broken by this fascist's attempts to destroy every obstacle in his path to total power.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
163. GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!!! 34 for 34 !!!!!! DING DONG, The WITCH IS DEAD!
Fri May 31, 2024, 12:06 AM
May 2024

Well... hyperbolically speaking, lol


Hey MAGAts--- tired of 'winning' yet?


Great news to wake up to.... and an early surprise!
(I was thinking it was possible for Friday)

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
164. I reported this at work, not to "gloat" (although I did plenty of that, heh), but to gauge my coworkers'
Fri May 31, 2024, 12:39 AM
May 2024

political leanings based on their reactions.

Those that tended to be for Biden and Democrats were smiling.

Those that were sort of for Dumpy the Clown and somewhat Repukes, were not. They were mostly glum and sanguine.

I was um... not. Tee Hee.




Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
169. And yet . . .
Fri May 31, 2024, 07:14 AM
May 2024

The GOP thinks he can lead them.

People will still vote for him.

Maybe put him in the White House again.
(And his revenge for the 'politically motivated' indignities he thinks he has suffered will be swift and brutal.)

The battle isn't over. Not until the fat lady sings.

Or until we hear the punishment metered out by the court.

LaMouffette

(2,640 posts)
171. This is my all-time favorite DU thread! Did anyone see Rep. Jamie Raskin on MSNBC yesterday? He was glowing!
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:10 AM
May 2024

Seeing his wonderful, sweet face just LIT UP with happiness before he even began to speak almost brought me to tears of joy.

What a glorious day yesterday was and continues to be!

About Trump going to prison, that would be so unjust if he got probation instead of jail time after his co-conspirator Michael Cohen, who did the same crime and at the direction of Trump, went to prison. Trump deserves more prison time than Cohen, not less or no prison time.

It's waaaaaay past time to stop treating Trump like a real president or real former president and start treating him like the conman criminal fraudster he really is. In light of the jury's verdict yesterday, Trump stole the 2016 election so he was never really president and now, he never will be again.

And by the way, THANK YOU, JURORS!!!!! You have done nothing less than save democracy!!!

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