Poll: Latino voters trust Trump on immigration over Biden

[riversedge]

Source: axios.com



3 hours ago -

Democrats no longer hold the robust advantage among Latinos they once did on immigration, according to a new poll.

Why it matters: Once reliably Democratic voters, many Latinos are increasingly identifying as independent, and working-class voters are leaning more toward the GOP.

An estimated 36.2 million U.S. Latinos are eligible to vote in this year's election.

Zoom in: An Equis poll released Tuesday of 1,592 registered Latino voters in seven battleground states found 41% of Hispanic voters trust Trump on immigration compared to 38% for Biden.

What they're saying: The problem for Democrats and Biden "is great uncertainty in support" for the president among Latino voters, Carlos Odio, co-founder and senior vice president for research at Equis Labs, told reporters Tuesday.

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Yes, but: Immigration has shown to be lower on the list of concerns among Latinos according to various Axios-Ipsos Latino Polls in partnership with Noticias Telemundo........................

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/06/20/biden-trump-latino-voters-2024-election-poll?utm_campaign=editorial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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In a close race, every vote counts as we all know.

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President Joe Biden campaigns in Phoenix; Donald Trump holds rally in the Bronx.

[mwb970]

1. It's hard to imagine who would "trust trump" at this point, Latino or otherwise.

[riversedge]

2. yes, it is hard to imagine. Yet, it is obvious the Trump

has a following--how large is unknown but large enough to worry me--.

[Traurigkeit]

33. the people fooled into answering positive to a setup question in a poll

[magicarpet]

54. Hispanics drool to fully assimilate in American culture.

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They crave upward mobility in American society.

They think the Kardashian sisters are just the cats meow and dream of living just like the Kardashians.

The male Hispanic population just loves them some trdump. He has the classic James Bond persona. Riches & wealth beyond average means, debonaire, a real hit with the ladies, mansions, fancy cars, private jets and fancy yachts. What is there not to like about trDUMP ? Speaks his mind without reservations, rude, crude, obnoxious, ostentatious consumerism, and all for show 12 carat gold-plated lifestyle.

Hispanics just love djt because he is the epitome of the AmeriKKKan dream and so so successful.

Hold on tight to djt's coattails and you too can enjoy selfenrichment beyond your wildest dreams.

Vote trDUMP and if you get real lucky you might be able to take a selfie with you standing beside the MAGA Cult Leader Messiah Hyper Capitalist Khrishtun Fascist and become as filthy rich as the Kardashians or trDUMP. The AmeriKKKan dream achieved way beyond your wildest expectations.
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Oh now I am so excited. I gotta go buy some MEGA-Bucks lottery tickets - I'll be right back.
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These are the cross over new voters team trDUMP has successfully ensnared and snatched away from Biden. It could pull team trDUMP over the 2024 presidential finish line and plop his fat Fascist ass back in the Oval.

Young male and female Black voters are in much the same boat. Thinking trDUMP is their vehicular motif toward attaining financial upward mobility and a piece of the AmeriKKKan Dream for themselves and their families.

The Orange Menace is the consummate hyster shyster conman and would be proud to bamboozle his own Mother - as he does the lower intelligence AmeriKKKan electorate on a daily basis.

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More on Black voters moving from Biden over to trDUMP,... as discussed by Senator Warnock.
Post by: Rhiannon 12866

Under the title:

'Black voters cannot be taken for granted': Sen. Rev. Raphael Warnock on listening to Black voters - Charles Coleman Jr.

Please see link below,

?si=1A2hnK1gANrYQ-z0

[RobinA]

18. That Was My

reaction. What is it sensible to trust Trump on at all?

[intrepidity]

28. In trying to understand this,

I came upon one possible explanation, but find it unlikely to be what most people think: GOP are obstructionists and Dems are willing to compromise; thus, having a GOP as Pres ensures legislation will move forward.

Assuming that such voters *want* legislation to move forward.

[Fudster]

3. Latino media

I have heard where the right wing has taken over much of the Latino media and has saturated it with propaganda. Propaganda has so much power. Once again the left is playing defense and catch up.

[jimfields33]

4. The left needs to get going on media in Hispanic

Areas and radio. I thought a democratic group bought radio stations. Has that been fully implemented yet?

[Johnny2X2X]

5. This

[Ray Bruns]

6. It's unfortunate that these Latinos don't realize they will be the first ones rounded up and deported.

[Polybius]

17. The poll didn't say Latinos who happen to be immigrants

The majority of Latinos living in the US were born here and are citizens.

[sdfernando]

30. Do you think that will stop him?

No, I don't think so. He will deport, deport, deport like crazy. So what if legal residents are caught up in it? They are "brown" so its OK. They can work to try to get back in the country if they want.

Thats what I think will happen.

[Polybius]

46. Yes, I do

There's nothing he can do to deport legal immigrants born here.

[slightlv]

32. We've already had legal citizens caught up in

deportation nets. As long as your skin coloring matches that of "Hispanic" you're at risk of deportation, in some states more than others. Even when given "papers" proving American citizenship (even birthright citizenship), these people play hell trying to get out of camps and get back home. I can't give specific cases, but enough has hit the papers (digitally and otherwise) that it shouldn't be "news" to anyone. Texas is one of the worst offenders.

[LeftInTX]

37. In the 80's they would just round everyone up and dump them in Mexico, they didn't even check papers.

US citizens would be included. US citizens would somehow find their way back.

There is actual truth in this comedy. It happened to someone I know. College student working with a yard crew. "What???" Everyone was picked up and dropped off. No hearing. No nothing. "Hey, Mom and Dad, guess where I am?"

&ab_channel=Shout%21Studios

‘I left my tacos on the table and took off running.’ Immigrants remember the workplace raids of the 1980s
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-immigration-trump-fears-20170109-story.html


He says what inspired him to write the film was real life.

“I was sitting at my kitchen table, reading the LA Times — [an American] kid was caught in an immigration raid, and he was mistakenly sent to Mexico, and at the same time, ‘Born in USA’ came on the radio.”

He says the story kind of wrote itself after that.

[onetexan]

7. Oy vey

[Roy Rolling]

8. Privilege 2.0

They emigrated to the U.S., now they don’t want any of those dirty immigrants in their country.

They’ve assimilated too much of MAGAistan.

[SunSeeker]

13. Yup. They want to pull up the ladder after them.

It's really depressing.

Plus Latin American immigrants come from very socially conservative countries, so many are very anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, sexist, and either devout Catholic or some evangelical Christian denomination. That is certainly what I have encountered here in Southern California's Latin American immigrant communities. Many more would be Republicans, if Republicans weren't so racist.

[oasis]

43. +1

[LeftInTX]

40. How many Irish-Americans want a whole bunch more Irish immigrants in the US?

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I hear this all too often and it kinda falls flat and in some respects it seems a bit condescending.
"Latinos should welcome Latino immigrants"...Why should they be the exceptional group?

How many Americans want a whole bunch more immigrants? Why is it Latinos' responsibility to want immigrants and not other Americans?

"Hey you're supposed to want immigrants"
"What me??"

I'm not saying their attitudes are "right" or defending their opinions but why should it be the responsibility of a specific ethnic group to support immigration?

It doesn't quite make sense to me.

[SunSeeker]

44. Pretty much all of them, based on my experience.

I know a number of immigrants from the UK and Ireland. They very much are in favor of more immigrants coming from those countries.

It seems to matter what the immigrant's skin color is. Trump wants more immigrants from "places like Norway," for example, but not any from "shithole countries." https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880750/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-norway

As far as I can tell, the only immigrants people don't want are immigrants of color. Even Americans of color don't want them, according to this poll.

When Americans of color support Trump's racist immigration policies, it is a bit jarring, no?

[LeftInTX]

45. Do they really want over a million Irish immigrants per year? Those are legal immigrants..

It does not include illegal immigrants.
And the Irish immigrants coming here, would need to be like the ones coming from Latin America. The ones who are a bit "down and out" in their own countries etc. So, the Irish immigrants would be "West Virginia" type people. They would likely be missing teeth etc. The majority would not be high school graduates and would have employment issues. They would need subsidized housing, food stamps etc. And if they are seeking asylum they are not allowed to work for six months and need to find "host families".

[SunSeeker]

48. There are only 5 million people in Ireland. Ireland would empty out in 5 years if 1M/yr emigrated.

That would never happen. People are not clamoring to leave Ireland for the US.

More than twice as many people enter than leave Ireland every year. Latest figures show an estimated 64,000 people emigrated from Ireland to other countries and 141,600 immigrated to Ireland (April 2023). https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/56c17-migration-and-ireland/#:~:text=Ireland%20continues%20to%20see%20people,to%20Ireland%20(April%202023). Only about 8% of Irish emigrants (about 5,000) choose the US each year. https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5870b66d-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/5870b66d-en


Per the Immigration Act of 1990, each country is allotted 7 percent of the available US green cards for both family-based and employment-based immigrants. This means that every country has a maximum number of 44,100 family-based immigrants and 14,700 employment-based immigrants for each fiscal year. Ireland does not even come close to filling its quota. However, less developed/poor countries far exceed their quota, with millions on a waiting list for a green card. https://immigrationforum.org/article/legal-immigration-to-the-united-states-national-quotas-americas-immigration-system/#:~:text=Although%20there%20are%20roughly%20a,to%20come%20to%20the%20U.S.


Like most developed countries, the birthrate in Ireland has fallen precipitously to 1.72 live births per woman. Immigration to Ireland is what is keeping the total population relatively stable.

[brush]

9. Oh, please, are we to believe a poll that says Latinos trust trump who plans to export them...

on immigration over Joe Biden who has no 2025 Plan?

Give us a break. People are not that stupid.

[Mz Pip]

10. No matter what Trump says

US citizens cannot be deported. Many Hispanic and Latino families have been here for generations. They probably the same concerns about illegal immigration as anyone else.

Democrats need to do much more outreach to explain our immigration policies. Conservatives have been very effective in demonizing immigrants. We have to be more forceful in countering that.

[brush]

11. care to say whether you believe the poll? Also whether you trust that if turmp gets back in he won't carry out...

Project 2025 which suspends the Constitution and empowers a unitary executive to deport whoever the fuck he wants?

[Mz Pip]

12. This is exactly what I mean

when I say Democrats need to be more forceful with their messaging. How many Latino and Hispanic voters have even heard of Project 2025?

Saying the polls are wrong doesn’t change that.

I don’t know if the polls are right but this election shouldn’t even be close.

[onenote]

14. Do you have a link to where Project 2025 would allow Trump to deport US citizens?

I'd like to use that in arguing with a neighbor.

[brush]

15. Google it. I believe it's on the rethup party platform.

[Dan]

16. No link here

But I have heard that part of Trump’s agenda should he become POTUS.

Suspense parts of the Constitution;

Eliminate birthright citizenship;

[LeftInTX]

35. An overwhelming majority of voters have never heard of Project 2025

Roughly two in three Latinos say they support providing a path to U.S. citizenship for all people currently in the U.S. illegally (65%) and allowing refugees fleeing crime and violence in Latin American to claim asylum in the U.S. (59%). These levels are roughly unchanged since December 2021 (68%, 60% respectively).

That said, 64% support giving the president authority to shut U.S. borders if there are too many migrants trying to enter the country.
A minority supports building a wall or fence along the entire U.S.-Mexico border (42%) or sending all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. back to their country of origin (38%). Compared to December 2021, more Latinos support building a wall (30% in December 2021) and sending all undocumented immigrants back to their country of origin (28%).


Half of respondents (52%) say they agree that they worry that if the government starts mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, they will target all Latinos, including native and legal residents, not only the undocumented. These levels are highest among respondents who speak only Spanish (59%) as well as first generation respondents (57%).

A majority of Latinos say they think that improving border security (62%) and reforming the immigration system (70%) is important for the U.S. government to prioritize. Around one in four say that improving border security (24%) or reforming the immigration system (26%) should be the most important priority for the government.

______________________________

They want border security, but don't want mass deportations. The MSM focus is on the border right now, it's not on deportations. The MSM nightly news focuses on the border. Voters need to dig deeper to find out about Project 2025. Too many don't "have the time" to do the research.

[flamingdem]

21. At this point they don't know that Trump would deport them

They only hear Spanish language media that is pro-Trump.

[Jose Garcia]

22. The poll was of registered voters

Registered voters are US citizens, so they cannot be deported.

[brush]

25. See Project 2025's expanded powers for a unitary executive...

also note mention of suspension of the Constitution.

And it's just not agout exporting people of Hispanic descent, it's about all who oppose the orange turd.

[flamingdem]

19. Two things I've heard from latino immigrants

One is "I've got mine". Those who have struggled to get here don't necessarily want others coming in. They see them as competition. "We're full". "We're Americans now, they're not".

Odd that many dems don't get this. Human nature is not always empathetic. Even to your "own kind".

Two is that Biden is weak. Trump is strong. I've heard this from latino men. It's IMPOSSIBLE to reason with them. They listen to right wing Spanish language tv and radio. Their GROUP is all saying the same so they go along. If they are recently arrived many do not know that much about the history of the USA so they'll go along to get along.

[LeftInTX]

36. They also see some immigrants as bringing crime.

Where I live most Mexican-Americans have roots in NE Mexico and came around the Mexican Revolution. (100 years ago). Alot has changed in Mexico since then. We can't deny that there are drug cartels and MS-13.

We also have alot of homeless immigrants where I live. Although homeless people are generally harmless, they increase the visible riff-raff. I gotta admit, due to the large amount of homeless people that were hanging out around a gas station, I carried my tools with me the entire time that I put up a campaign sign. I know homeless people prize little things like tape, screwdrivers and scissors. Accidentally, leaving these out in the open normally don't attract anyone, even in high crime areas. Even in high crime areas, if you accidentally leave a screwdriver on the sidewalk, get in your car and realize that you've forgotten it, you can go back and fetch it. However, homeless people will quickly take it. Loss of "little things" like these add up. There are many, many more homeless in Latino than Anglo neighborhoods. It's gotten crazy. They quickly steal $50 4 by 8 ft campaign signs and use them for shelter. I have had numerous stolen and discovered them in a nearby homeless camp.

We have tons of people sleeping outdoors around our migrant resource center.
Loss of a screwdriver may not seem like much, but if you're doing chores and it's the only one you are carrying......It's petty stuff, but it tends to happen more frequently than "real crime", hence everyone is sort of a "target".

[mathematic]

20. "Latino" is not an ethnic, racial, cultural, or linguistic group. It's long past time pretending it is.

We need to stop pretending the following all share a commonality other than language of an ancestor's homeland:
Puerto Ricans
3rd (or later) generation Mexican-Americans
Naturalized Mexican-Americans
Mexican immigrants
3rd (or later) generation Cuban-Americans
Cuban immigrants
Dominican-Americans
Venezuelan immigrants
Argentine-Americans
Filipinos (some are considered hispanic or latino)

And so on and so on with all the permutations of ancestral country of orgin and generational status.

In 2024 most people in this demographic category were born in the US.

Every year that goes by increases the proportion of this category who's only knowledge of spanish is how to say "grandma". They have as much affinity to the specific ancestral country of origin as any other hyphenated american (which is to say, it varies from none to a lot with everything in between).

[brush]

24. Notify the pollsters.

[mathematic]

29. This is a grassroots effort.

Refuse the notion among your peers and the pollsters and democratic strategists will follow.

[SKKY]

23. If you watch/listen to Hispanic media like I sometimes do...

...this is not surprising. The amount of garbage I hear about Biden on there is just astounding.

[iluvtennis]

26. Very sad - I just can't grok it. n/t

[emulatorloo]

27. Not so sure this is believable. Trump demonizes Hispanics constantly. Something seems off. Outlier?

[SKKY]

53. If you've ever listened/watch Hispanic media, you know this is absolutely 100% true...

...I have listened to interviews where Trump says something in English, and the Spanish translation is at worst completely different, or at best, translated in such a way as to minimize what he's saying. Nearly everything on Spanish-speaking media in the US is "Biden is a socialist".

[Freethinker65]

31. So Latinos want to be harassed and threatened with deportation?

Ok???

[Traurigkeit]

34. not really but it makes some people scared

[Rebl2]

38. I have

never heard of this polling group, company.

[LeftInTX]

39. Ipsos??? Been in the US since the late 90's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipsos

Top 10 of the Market Research Sector 2019
Rank Company Revenues in 2018
(million USD)
1 Nielsen Company 6,515
2 IQVIA 3,904
3 Gartner 3,516
4 Kantar Group 3,449
5 Ipsos 2,067
6 GfK 1,616
7 IRI 1,200
8 Dynata 509
9 Westat 506
10 Intage 489

[Rebl2]

41. It said

it was an Equis poll further up in the post.

[LeftInTX]

42. Oh, I was looking at the reference IPSOS poll in the article. Both show similar results

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/latino-americans-arent-favorable-trump-or-biden-feel-democratic-party-better-represents-them


About Equis:

Equis operates at the nexus of research, politics and culture. We challenge conventional wisdom – we conduct research, build infrastructure, test ideas, and drive leaders to massively increase Latino civic participation and exercise our full power in all facets of American society.
https://www.weareequis.us/our-work

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

49. Dear Latino voters, remember this: elections have consequences.

The choice is yours. Either vote for a sane man who -- while he may not meet all your demands -- is a decent, practicing Catholic with a record of trying to work for the good of all citizens regardless of party,

or a twice-divorced convicted felon who sells fake bibles (no matter which version, the Bible does not include all the "patriotic" crap appended to the Trump version), separates babies from their mothers, and will lie about anything, so long as it makes him money or keeps him out of jail.

Whom do you want to have control of the nuclear red button? Choose wisely. If not for your sake, at least for your children's sake.

[Demsrule86]

50. That is bullshit... these polls are all crap.

[bullimiami]

51. Oh BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. Whatever their "poll" says.

[Silent Type]

52. They made it here, but screw all those left behind.

[scipan]

55. I read more of the poll. Largest dem negative is "don't keep promises".

Biden has to explain the truth of the immigration bill, how drumpf nixed it.

Biggest issues: keep families together and farm work permits.

To me these are naturally in Biden's corner. Just say he needs a dem Congress to get it done.