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JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:22 AM Jul 2024

Trump's July 11 Sentencing Date Almost Certain to Be Delayed

Source: Bloomberg

Donald Trump’s July 11 sentencing in his New York hush-money case is almost certain to be delayed after prosecutors said they would not oppose putting it on hold in light of the US Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity in criminal cases.

Prosecutors said in a letter Tuesday to Judge Juan Merchan that they were prepared to respond by July 24 to Trump’s request to overturn his conviction on 34 felonies. In a separate letter to the judge Tuesday, Trump’s legal team proposed filing their initial brief by July 10.

Read more: Trump Seeks to Toss NY Felony Conviction After Immunity Win

The Supreme Court held in a 6-3 decision Monday that presidents generally are protected by at least some immunity against prosecution for official acts they take while in office. The ruling came in the federal case against Trump for overturning the 2020 election results, but his lawyers in New York contend it covers some evidence and testimony in the hush-money case.

The decision now rests with Merchan, who oversaw the trial and will most likely delay the sentencing to hear arguments on whether the verdict should be tossed in light of the Supreme Court ruling. He may schedule a public hearing, setting up another high-stakes clash between the former president and the district attorney.

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-02/trump-s-july-11-hush-money-sentencing-can-be-delayed-da-says?srnd=homepage-americas



Could someone explain to me how could a case against trump which happened before he was President have anything to do with the Supreme Court immunity decision?
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Trump's July 11 Sentencing Date Almost Certain to Be Delayed (Original Post) JohnSJ Jul 2024 OP
If the prosecution use even ONE piece of evidence from AFTER he was elected, it would have to be thrown out... Ferrets are Cool Jul 2024 #1
Incorrect brooklynite Jul 2024 #10
That's not what the argument is ScratchCat Jul 2024 #13
I never expected it to happen on July 11 in the first place. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2024 #2
You have got to be kidding me. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 2024 #3
Apparently the immunity is retroactive? Diraven Jul 2024 #4
He signed checks in the Oval Office, gab13by13 Jul 2024 #5
I thought all this was done before the 2016 election. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 2024 #6
That can't come close... appmanga Jul 2024 #7
But it would have been either a personal check or one for Trump Organization. Lonestarblue Jul 2024 #8
Yes he was. brooklynite Jul 2024 #11
Remember, the crimes were for falsifying business records after the hush money payments. Groundhawg Jul 2024 #21
this is what it was all about. Javaman Jul 2024 #9
When you think about it more and more ScratchCat Jul 2024 #14
it's now been postponed till September. yup, they whole thing was a set up. Javaman Jul 2024 #20
Everybody just go ahead and bend over! dchill Jul 2024 #12
Alvin Bragg has asked for a brief delay in sentencing so that Judge Merchan can rule that the SCOTUS decision... riversedge Jul 2024 #15
thanks JohnSJ Jul 2024 #16
I'm sorry, but I cannot take this any longer! toesonthenose Jul 2024 #17
Biden could declare trump a terrorist and all his maga's Linda Ed Jul 2024 #18
That would cost Biden the presidency if he uses the military. The Grand Illuminist Jul 2024 #19

Ferrets are Cool

(22,957 posts)
1. If the prosecution use even ONE piece of evidence from AFTER he was elected, it would have to be thrown out...
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:28 AM
Jul 2024

or so, that is what I think they will argue.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
10. Incorrect
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:54 AM
Jul 2024

As much as pretty much everyone here says that the SC has granted Trump absolute immunity from prosecution, they haven't. They distinguish between official acts and unofficial acts. By no definition is paying your lawyer from private funds, and forging private business records an "official act".

ScratchCat

(2,740 posts)
13. That's not what the argument is
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 12:49 PM
Jul 2024

Trump's attorney's are going to argue that testimony from Hope Hicks and the other secretary are part of "Official Acts" and therefore that testimony should not have been allowed and thus a new trial must be granted.

Since it was already ruled that his conversations were not covered by Executive Privilege, it will be interesting what this court has to say about that argument(I'm sure the State will argue that something not subject to EP can't be an Official Act either).

If you think about it a little with your tinfoil wrapped too tight, you might conclude this was the plan the SCOTUS came up with to nix his State conviction(because the notion that conversations with cabinet members can't be used to establish a crime was committed is bonkers and was invented in the ruling for a reason).

Diraven

(1,898 posts)
4. Apparently the immunity is retroactive?
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:35 AM
Jul 2024

Actually I think what they are really afraid of now is that if Trump becomes president he will certainly exact retribution on the prosecutors and judge if they give him any kind of sentence. Republican Presidents have that power now.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
5. He signed checks in the Oval Office,
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:35 AM
Jul 2024

that may be enough for the fascist SC to throw out the case.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,926 posts)
6. I thought all this was done before the 2016 election.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:39 AM
Jul 2024

So if what you say is true, this will likely be considered an “official act”. I guess that completely blows up Trump’s continuous denials that he never had sex with Daniels or paid her anything.

appmanga

(1,493 posts)
7. That can't come close...
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:44 AM
Jul 2024

...to an official duty. Taking bribes is "official". Making payoffs? Not so much.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
8. But it would have been either a personal check or one for Trump Organization.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jul 2024

Presidents do not sign checks for anything purchased for the US government. That should not fall under official acts. It seems his lawyers are claiming that every action was an official act. The SC has unleashed the hounds of hell.

Groundhawg

(1,218 posts)
21. Remember, the crimes were for falsifying business records after the hush money payments.
Wed Jul 3, 2024, 08:06 AM
Jul 2024

I am hearing the crimes did occur during his term, But have no idea how this could be called an "official act".

ScratchCat

(2,740 posts)
14. When you think about it more and more
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 12:51 PM
Jul 2024

You sure have to wonder is this was the plan all along(knowing that NY State was the only one of the four jurisdictions that Republicans had no control over).

And when you think about all those Republicans standing in line outside that NY courthouse to denounce the rule of law...... maybe they already knew the fix was in?

Javaman

(65,711 posts)
20. it's now been postponed till September. yup, they whole thing was a set up.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 03:53 PM
Jul 2024

they waited till the end to see how things would go in the NY trial, then they came in to fuck that up.

mother fuckers.

riversedge

(80,810 posts)
15. Alvin Bragg has asked for a brief delay in sentencing so that Judge Merchan can rule that the SCOTUS decision...
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 12:58 PM
Jul 2024

well, if the SC had not dragged out their immunity decision until the last minute, this trial sentencing could have taken place without a delay. guess that is water under the bridge now.




Alvin Bragg has asked for a brief delay in sentencing so that Judge Merchan can rule that the SCOTUS decision has nothing to do with the case. But the media will falsely spin this as Trump having secured a delay. Whatever.
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toesonthenose

(188 posts)
17. I'm sorry, but I cannot take this any longer!
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 01:08 PM
Jul 2024

The only thing getting me through all of this mess the past week was the fact that the felonious orange shit was going to be sentenced for his crimes. Now this. I have tried to remain as strong as I could, but this is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. This country is lost, we are prisoners now.

Linda Ed

(518 posts)
18. Biden could declare trump a terrorist and all his maga's
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 01:16 PM
Jul 2024

Biden could declare Trump a terrorist because of his threats, his actions in trying to change the results of the 2020 election and his encouragement of the Jan 6 in'surrection and then use the military to take him out.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,040 posts)
19. That would cost Biden the presidency if he uses the military.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 02:52 PM
Jul 2024

There are all important independent voters that needs to be swayed. If Biden uses military remedies, the indys would believe the the RW was right and would side with them. Best to go private.

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