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BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 05:36 PM Jul 2024

Trump seeks pause on classified documents case after Supreme Court immunity ruling

Source: Reuters

July 5, 2024 4:05 PM EDT Updated an hour ago


WASHINGTON, July 5 (Reuters) - Lawyers for Donald Trump asked a U.S. judge on Friday to partially pause the criminal case accusing the former president of mishandling classified documents, after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that presidents have broad immunity for official acts.

Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, said the Supreme Court's ruling that he has broad immunity from criminal prosecution in a case over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election also boosts his claim of immunity in the classified documents prosecution. A pause is necessary "to minimize the adverse consequences to the institution of the presidency arising from this unconstitutional investigation and prosecution," Trump's lawyers wrote in a court filing.

The request is the latest effort by Trump's legal team to capitalize on the Supreme Court ruling as he faces four criminal prosecutions. Trump has already used the decision to delay his sentencing on charges he falsified business records. It is also another attempt at delaying the proceedings as Trump seeks to unseat Democratic President Joe Biden in the Nov. 5 election.

Trump's legal team asked U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump nominee who is overseeing the documents case, to halt activity until she rules on Trump's requests to throw out the charges based on his claim of immunity and his argument that lead prosecutor Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed. spokesperson for Smith declined to comment.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-seeks-pause-classified-documents-case-after-supreme-court-immunity-ruling-2024-07-05/

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Trump seeks pause on classified documents case after Supreme Court immunity ruling (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 OP
He'll get it, too, probably with two scoops of ice cream. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #1
Stealing the classified documents was an unofficial act. What POTUS put national security at risk as part of their iluvtennis Jul 2024 #2
He wasn't president when he took the documents...at least the ones he took exiting the WH PortTack Jul 2024 #3
And he sure was not when he told his lawyer to lie to the FBI and... Justice matters. Jul 2024 #9
That's exactly what I just said to my hubs! He was no longer president slightlv Jul 2024 #10
NOPE. He was no longer President when he took those documents. CousinIT Jul 2024 #4
I can't imagine enduring another 3 1/2 years of TFG holding rallies, refusing to admit he lost - again! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2024 #11
I can. I look forward to it. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2024 #13
He says he made them "personal records" while he was still Pres. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #14
Some things he can, others he can't jmowreader Jul 2024 #21
See, I wondered about the nuke papers. Seemed like there HAD to be more controls there. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #23
This is an interesting article that you might like jmowreader Jul 2024 #27
VERY good read. Explains it very well. Thanks very much oldsoftie Jul 2024 #28
It never was and never will be an official act to commit treason Marthe48 Jul 2024 #5
I don't get it either. Why is everyone doing nothing BlueKota Jul 2024 #7
I am sure Aileen will bend over backwards BlueKota Jul 2024 #6
Or forwards. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #15
The delays have succussed. republianmushroom Jul 2024 #8
Immunity is not for life and his actions with the documents after he was out of office are the issue. cstanleytech Jul 2024 #12
Again, no trial before the election. Never was going to happen. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #16
There will be "evidentiary" hearings by Judge Chutkan BEFORE the election BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #17
So we're told. That could change & wouldn't surprise me. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #18
However from what I understand BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #19
I do get your point, but look at the polls oldsoftie Jul 2024 #20
"but look at the polls" BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #24
Wow, I certainly wasnt aware of the Kansas poll!! Thats a HORRIBLE fail oldsoftie Jul 2024 #25
The problem is them determining who would be "likely voters" BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #26
I like innocent presidents RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2024 #22

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
2. Stealing the classified documents was an unofficial act. What POTUS put national security at risk as part of their
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 06:07 PM
Jul 2024

official duties. This is some crazy shit.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
9. And he sure was not when he told his lawyer to lie to the FBI and...
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 09:05 PM
Jul 2024

obstructed the order of the subpoena to return all docs, including about nuclear weapons.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
10. That's exactly what I just said to my hubs! He was no longer president
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 09:06 PM
Jul 2024

when he absconded with the classified docs to Mar a lago. He was a private citizen. And he *should* be now... and should have been from the beginning of all this... treated just like he treated Reality Winner.

Justice denied is no justice at all. And we've been denied justice for too many years.

CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
4. NOPE. He was no longer President when he took those documents.
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 06:23 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Sat Jul 6, 2024, 08:26 AM - Edit history (1)

He was moving out.

It's a bullshit argument.

But I'm sure HIS judge will grant it. However, isn't there already an indefinite pause on that case? Does anyone really think that case would ever proceed forward, even without his packed court's ruling that he is a king?

I don't.

He'll skate on all of it because the courts will let him. And the voters will let him (well, we'll see about that, but I'm not feeling too confident if all they're doing is worrying about Biden). Seems their priorities are mighty well fucked up.

Rhiannon12866

(255,539 posts)
11. I can't imagine enduring another 3 1/2 years of TFG holding rallies, refusing to admit he lost - again!
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 11:32 PM
Jul 2024

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
13. I can. I look forward to it.
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 08:50 AM
Jul 2024

First, he has to lose this November. That's something I look forward to.

Then, he has to maintain his grasp of the Repug party, keeping it in the dirt. I look forward to that, too.

As long as he doesn't occupy the White House, he can hold all the rallies he wants.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
14. He says he made them "personal records" while he was still Pres.
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jul 2024

He's full of shit
But I'd like to see the actual REAL definition of how declassification occurs. Can a president declassify unilaterally or NOT? Because I keep hearing different people say both. And I dont know the REAL legal answer. It sure seems like it would be "NO HE CANT". And if its not then it should be changed to be that way

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
21. Some things he can, others he can't
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:37 PM
Jul 2024

The Formerly Restricted Data - which pertains to nuclear weapons - documents he was in possession of cannot be declassified by the president alone. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Energy are involved in that.

Given that, Trump’s declassification process is claimed to be “if I take it out of the secure area it’s no longer classified.” That isn’t how it works.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
23. See, I wondered about the nuke papers. Seemed like there HAD to be more controls there.
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:50 PM
Jul 2024

Thank you

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
28. VERY good read. Explains it very well. Thanks very much
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jul 2024

Although here are still a couple "gray areas" they mention but still

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
5. It never was and never will be an official act to commit treason
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 06:30 PM
Jul 2024

The fascist s.c. of the heritage foundation are a clear and presnt danger to the U.S.A. I'm not a lawyer or a politician. if I can see how the fascists are attacking my country and want it stopped, why can't the people in charge see it and act? Everyone in elected or appointed positions are going to have their asses handed to them if the fascists are allowed to continue.

BlueKota

(5,350 posts)
7. I don't get it either. Why is everyone doing nothing
Fri Jul 5, 2024, 07:20 PM
Jul 2024

but sitting on crossed fingers just hoping the election will make the bad monsters go away? I am hoping like hell Biden wins, but that's not guaranteed, and if he does win the SC 6 might manufacture a reason to overturn the win.

Also with the Heritage Foundation they can't claim Presidental Immunity and it's head person wasn't as skilled at making the threat veiled as the orange one.Seemed pretty direct. Hope he's being observed closely.

cstanleytech

(28,473 posts)
12. Immunity is not for life and his actions with the documents after he was out of office are the issue.
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:12 AM
Jul 2024
 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
16. Again, no trial before the election. Never was going to happen.
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 01:16 PM
Jul 2024

None of the others will either.
Hes not going to jail. ALL of it sucks.
Period.

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
17. There will be "evidentiary" hearings by Judge Chutkan BEFORE the election
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 02:08 PM
Jul 2024

That is what was sent back to her to do by the SCOTUS.

Any reporting on that would essentially keep that case in the minds of those following the federal J6 election interference proceedings.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
18. So we're told. That could change & wouldn't surprise me.
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:10 PM
Jul 2024

And an evidentiary hearing wont be something that is in-your-face like the Stormy trial was.Trump probably isnt required to be there
I'd bet the Biden campaign is planning aa though there will be NOTHING new trial-wise before the election.

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
19. However from what I understand
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:23 PM
Jul 2024

the government's entire case - all the evidence - must be presented for a decision on whether it can be included or must be excluded. So there may be some real elucidation regarding what else they had that hasn't yet made it "in the news".

And Judge Chutkan is NOT Loose Cannon.

But let me say this - right now, there have been 34 CONVICTIONS, regardless of how the sentencing will go. And there IS over 1/2 a $billion of a judgement that is owed by 45 to the state of NY. Plus we obviously know about E. Jean Carroll's case.

So one must go back and FOCUS on what HAS transpired and stop dismissing it. There was some progress made.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
20. I do get your point, but look at the polls
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:33 PM
Jul 2024

I cant say more than that because last time I did that it was hidden even though backed up with facts. (I'm sure I could with YOU but not to the world)

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
24. "but look at the polls"
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:51 PM
Jul 2024
NO

DON'T "look at the polls".

Look at THIS -



The "polls" said that Romney would beat Obama - literally THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION - in 2012

November 5, 2012
Romney 49%, Obama 48% in Gallup's Final Election Survey
Early voting so far breaks 49% for Obama and 48% for Romney
Gallup Editors

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney are within one percentage point of each other in Gallup's final pre-election survey of likely voters, with Romney holding 49% of the vote, and Obama 48%. After removing the 3% of undecided voters from the results and allocating their support proportionally to the two major candidates, Gallup's final allocated estimate of the race is 50% for Romney and 49% for Obama.



The survey was conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking Nov. 1-4.

(snip)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/158519/romney-obama-gallup-final-election-survey.aspx



The "polls" said there would be a "Red Tsunmai" and it was bullshit -

(Below is one of the main columnists from the vaunted "538" that Nate Silver was kicked out of)

What I Got Wrong In 2022

By Nathaniel Rakich

Dec. 28, 2022, at 6:00 AM


Here’s a prediction that 100 percent, absolutely, positively will come true: I will get something wrong in 2023. Here at FiveThirtyEight, we make a lot of predictions every year; some of them work out, but we can’t get every single one right.  We can, however, learn from our mistakes. That’s why I like to write about everything I got wrong in the previous 12 months.1 I do this for two reasons: First, they’re often unintentionally hilarious (and when you’re a politics reporter, sometimes you need a laugh); second, identifying my blind spots has helped me become a better analyst.

And there’s no shortage of material for this year’s installment. Let’s start with a tweet I wrote on Nov. 6, 2020, shortly after it became clear that Joe Biden had won the presidential race: “Congratulations to Republicans on their victory in the 2022 midterms!” This was obviously meant to be snarky but also to communicate a political tenet: that the president’s party almost always has a bad midterm election. Of course, that tweet wasn’t from 2022, but I also made this argument in January of this year. And for several months thereafter, my analysis was colored by my expectation that 2022 would be a good election year for Republicans. As everyone knows by now, the midterms were a disappointment for Republicans. They won the House — but only barely (they gained just nine seats on net). Meanwhile, Democrats gained a seat in the Senate.



Clearly, I was overly confident in my early prediction. While it is true that the president’s party almost always has a poor midterm, there have been exceptions. And the 2022 midterms turned out to be one of these “asterisk elections,” thanks in no small part to the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization to overturn the constitutional right to abortion. This year I should have been more prepared for the possibility that the ruling could throw a wrench into the election, especially after a draft of the decision was leaked in May. And even after the decision, it took me a while to become convinced that voter anger over Dobbs would prove durable enough to last until Election Day.

It wasn’t until the fall that I revised my expectations from a “red wave” to a “red ripple.” My biggest mistake here was not realizing just how common an “asterisk election” actually is. I often quoted one key stat: that the president’s party had gained House seats in only two of the previous 19 midterm elections. But there were four other midterms where the president’s party lost fewer than 10 House seats — so what happened in 2022 isn’t that rare. I also neglected to remember that the president’s party had lost Senate seats in only 13 of the last 19 midterms. In other words, midterms like 2022 happen about a third of the time — way too frequently to count them out.

(snip)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2022-predictions-i-got-wrong/


Also in 2022, the "polls" said that Kansans would not allow a woman the right to choose -

Poll shows Kansans closely divided on constitutional amendment on abortion

By: Noah Taborda - July 20, 2022 1:39 pm

TOPEKA — The first public poll for the Kansas constitutional amendment on abortion shows a close race and exposes other ideological divides over reproductive rights.

Kansans will decide in the Aug. 2 election whether to remove a right to abortion from the state’s constitution. Advanced voting is underway across the state.

The vote will be the first on abortion rights since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Roe V. Wade in June. Passage of the amendment would reverse a 2019 Kansas Supreme Court ruling and allow the Legislature to impose a total ban on abortion or other restrictions. Rejection of the amendment would preserve access to regulated abortion services.

As things stand in the Co/efficient poll shared with FiveThirtyEight, 47% of the more than 1,500 voters sampled support the so-called “Value Them Both” amendment, and 43% are against it. The remaining 10% are undecided.

(snip)

https://kansasreflector.com/2022/07/20/poll-shows-kansans-closely-divided-on-constitutional-amendment-on-abortion/


So according to that "poll", 47% wanted to remove a woman's right to choose and 43% didn't, with 10% supposedly "undecided".

The ACTUALS? The reality was that 60% VOTED "NO" for the Amendment that would take away a woman's rights. We're talking being off by 17%. And even if you allowed for the 10% "undecided" to go with the "no"s, that is STILL 7% off.

Kansas voters defeat abortion amendment in unexpected landslide


By: Sherman Smith and Lily O'Shea Becker - August 2, 2022 9:38 pm

OVERLAND PARK — Kansas voters in a landslide Tuesday defeated a constitutional amendment that would have stripped residents of abortion rights, defying polling and political observers who expected a close result.

The ballot measure was failing by a 60-40 margin late Tuesday after voters responded to an intense and costly campaign marked by dubious claims by amendment supporters and the unraveling of protections by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The question before voters, in the form of a confusingly worded constitutional amendment, was whether to end the right to abortion in Kansas by voting “yes” or preserve the right by voting “no.”

“You guys, we did it,” said Rachel Sweet, campaign manager for Kansans for Constitutional Freedom, as she addressed a crowd of abortion-rights supporters at a watch party in Overland Park. “We blocked this amendment. Can you believe it?”

(snip)

https://kansasreflector.com/2022/08/02/kansas-voters-defeat-abortion-amendment-in-unexpected-landslide-1/


Forget "the polls" and make sure to vote and make sure everyone you know VOTES!
 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
25. Wow, I certainly wasnt aware of the Kansas poll!! Thats a HORRIBLE fail
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 03:55 PM
Jul 2024

I would bet that EVERY state would pass that bill if it was allowed on their ballot. Even Alabama.
I'm hoping the angry womens healthcare voters can outnumber the "look at the border/gas prices" voters.

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
26. The problem is them determining who would be "likely voters"
Sat Jul 6, 2024, 04:25 PM
Jul 2024

In general, during the year, they will report "polls" of "Registered Voters". Then over the summer before the election, they "switch" to "Likely Voters", and all of sudden stuff changes - sometimes significantly.

But if they can't figure out OR make stupid-ass ASSUMPTIONS about who is a "Likely Voter", then their models start getting all kinds of errors introduced when they over-sample those they think will vote and then try to "correct" for the actual population demographics of registered voters.

The "poll" that matters is the one that people go to when they vote (or mail their ballot to).

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