Scoop: Dem senators' Biden huddle called off

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: Axios

12 hours ago


Senate Democrats won't meet Monday to discuss their support for President Biden continuing his re-election bid, despite an effort by Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) to organize such a meeting, Axios has learned.

Why it matters: Warner's meeting had been seen as a potential watershed moment for Senate Democrats, who have remained largely silent on Biden's future amid calls for him to step aside.

The big picture: Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) last week was reaching out to Democratic senators about meeting to discuss Biden's path forward, but that meeting was never scheduled, a person familiar with Warner's thinking told Axios.

Details of the proposed meeting leaking out made it impossible for there to be a private conversation, the source said.

Senate Democrats as a whole will meet Tuesday for a regularly scheduled caucus meeting.

Zoom out: Democratic senators are having ongoing conversations about whether Biden should remain at the top of the ticket amid concerns about his mental acuity, the source said.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/07/scoop-dem-senators-biden-huddle-called-off

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It's not THEIR decision. It's the VOTERS.

[marble falls]

1. Maybe the mini shitstorm is abating.

[woodsprite]

2. Maybe they realized their donations/support from voters

Would be at risk. It seemed they barrelassed ahead and didn’t think it through until the voters got vocal.

[marble falls]

5. Good point. Maybe they realized they open themselves to some Karma.

[Shipwack]

16. Perhaps they couldn't figure out who was going to bell the cat... nt

[Irish_Dem]

3. US voters elected the Senators to be their representatives.

So US senators represent the voters.

I believe that Joe and Kamala are the best bet to win the election.
I know Kamala can do the job if it comes to that.
I think it is the most simple, successful plan with the least downside.

If the US senators have concrete data that my plan is bad and will fail,
I sure as hell want to hear all about it. With numbers, facts, details.
This is not the time for emotional or sentimental decision making.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. MY 2 Senators and MY Mayor met the President at the airport yesterday

And Biden campaigned with them AND MY Governor later that day -



WARNING TO THE COUP-PLOTTERS - THIS is the BASE. DON'T YOU DARE dis it.



Time for the embittered and out-of-touch to STEP BACK.

[Irish_Dem]

11. Good. What about the other senators though?

If they have a serious thought process and information we do not have, then they need to share it.

Some of our leadership is letting us down.
Some are talking about not supporting Biden.

OK, then tell us why.
Don't tear up the party without good reason.

If there is a serious medical problem we have a right to know.
Give us the details. Most of us are intelligent and reasonable.
We can digest information and make a good decision.

If they won't do that, we stay with Plan A.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Congress has been out for the July 4th "break"

and are due back this week.

There is a primaries process for the Presidential election that was developed BY the DNC for Democrats. We have gone through that process with all states (and D.C.) having voted for their choices.

Members of the legislative branch cannot suddenly UPEND that process by participating with the Yellow Journalists to spread innuendo and rumors 4 months before the election.

All you need to do is research the ones who have come out "publicly" and you will find some interesting things based on their past whining and moaning the last couple years, that establishes that they are on a "grievance tour".

[Irish_Dem]

20. Well they are upending it whether we like it or it.

Apparently they did not get the list of what they can’t do.

Either they give us some more information or they need to stop yanking everyone around.

Most politicians have an agenda of some sort and are always maneuvering around. That is fine. I understand the political landscape.

And I get the fact that sometimes things change and there is an emergent situation to
address.

But we are at war to save our democracy and American lives. They need to stop playing games and cough up their reasoning and most importantly what is their plan. And it needs to be a better one than the plan I described.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. They haven't "upended" anything

The President has told them in no uncertain terms that he's not going anywhere - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143268294

There is a little thing called "separation of powers" that was built into our Constitutional system. THEY are the "Legislative Branch" and the President is head of the "Executive Branch". They are often "at odds" as that is how it was written.

But they do NOT supersede it.

They have nothing to "cough up" because like I said, they are on a "grievance tour".

For example -

Adam Schiff
For 3 years, has been whining and moaning about DOJ and actually triggering much of the anti-Garland nonsense here on DU. He has never worked for the U.S. FEDERAL Executive Branch - he went from the state legislature to the federal legislature. Anyone who worked for the FEDERAL Executive Branch is aware of how things work with it.

Jerry Nadler, Angie Craig
This goes back to BEFORE the 2022 midterms - https://apnews.com/article/biden-new-york-manhattan-elections-carolyn-maloney-b1869cf148f5af5690f3d3e03099451f

It was during the time of the "Red Tsunami" nonsense and some politicos assuming that Democrats would be "wiped out". IOW, they did like was done to Obama in 2010 - "ran away".

[Irish_Dem]

30. I think advocating against a sitting US president from their own party is

upending things or causing distress in their voters.

Whatever their motivation.

If they cannot provide a reasonable data set for their position, they need to be quiet
and let the other leaders and voters make decisions.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. "I think advocating against a sitting US president from their own party is

upending things or causing distress in their voters."

Don't mistake a tiny minority of disaffected politicos for some kind of avalanche of disruption which is what the Yellow Journalists want you to believe. Don't use their framing to magnify an anthill into a mountain.

I will re-post my "LOOK AT THE MATH" post from another thread and include some more -

There are 214 Democrats in the House including 1 vacancy (Donald Payne, Jr's seat - NJ-10 sp. election 7/16/24)

And even if you had say 20 who supposedly believed this, JUST DO THE MATH -

20/214 = 0.09 = 9%

So the OTHER 91% of Democrats are NOT calling for this.

They think we're stupid. Don't fall for the okie-doke.

Now let's extrapolate out even more -

If you now expand the count where there are 214 (D) seats in the House and 51 (D) + (I) seats in the Senate, you now have 265 elected officials in Congress (both chambers).

NOW let's say, using my above of "20" in the House (we have only heard from maybe 10 with a couple of those who were technically still on the fence) and say you randomly throw in 10 (Susan Collins-style very concerned ones) in the Senate (we have only heard from 1 although Manchin declined to endorse earlier and I'll just throw in 8 more "unknowns" which might include some swing-staters) ---

So now we are talking about -

30/265 = 0.11 = 11%

So that would mean that 89% of those (D)s in Congress would APPROVE of the current President

As an interesting comment that I saw last night from Donna Brazile -

Brazile says DNC delegates will best show state of Biden campaign amid age concerns
by Nick Robertson - 07/07/24 12:49 PM ET


Former Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chair Donna Brazile said Sunday that all eyes will be on Democratic delegates before the party’s convention as President Biden faces rising concerns over his age.

Brazile said the returned electoral ballots from the party’s delegates will show Biden whether there are serious concerns about his candidacy.

“Those delegates who have by and large been supportive of the president, pledged to the president, they will submit their ballots hopefully within one week,” she said in an ABC “This Week” interview.

“We will probably ascertain better than any pollster, better than any pundit, better than any strategist, just where the president stands with his own delegates,” she added.

(snip)

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4758589-donna-brazile-dnc-delegates-biden-campaign-age-concerns/

The voters and the Delegates that they picked during the Primaries (and THAT is what goes on during Primaries - Delegates are ALSO being selected in addition to the President/VP) will tell you what you need to know.

We don't need any "data" from people who *I* did not vote for. The elected officials in Congress that *I* voted for are not buying it.

[Irish_Dem]

37. I am not saying it is an avalanche. It is enough to cause confusion or distress

in some voters. We can clearly see here on DU that people are angry about it.
That is my point.

So the elected officials need to provide a rationale for their thoughts or back off.

[Walleye]

26. I love the new mayor of Philadelphia

[MorbidButterflyTat]

33. Beautiful!

Thank you so much for posting this!

[DENVERPOPS]

15. So, ..........

"So US senators represent the voters."

Perhaps, at some time in past history, in a galaxy far far away......

What I see, and I think is clearly evident, is almost all politicians first weigh how legislation will effect them and their wealthy donors, and their voters last............

Abe Lincoln: Statesmen are interested in the next generation, Politicians only in the next election........

[Irish_Dem]

21. They could easily clear up all doubt with facts.

But yes unless they give us more information it looks self serving.

[DENVERPOPS]

22. Yes, they "COULD"

but a lot of times they don't........They campaign one way, telling their constituency one thing, and then if you check, vote otherwise....

[Irish_Dem]

28. Campaigning on throwing out a sitting president from your own party doesn't seem

like the smartest political strategy around, but what do I know.

[DENVERPOPS]

39. No Kidding

ego maniacal Dems wanting to be in the limelight for five minutes..............(or DINO's)

Just ask Cheney what the Republicans do if you are a dis-loyal Republican Politician........

[Ocelot II]

27. If senators "represent the voters" in choosing presidential candidates,

why the hell do we even bother with primary elections? Our know-it-all senators can choose our candidates for us and we little nobody citizens should just go lie by our dish and be quiet?

Fuck that.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

34. Agree.

Personally I'm weary of being schooled about how wrong we are, repeatedly.

[LakeArenal]

29. The simple solution is the best solution. Thanks.

[Think. Again.]

4. Maybe now they can turn their attention to...

...putting the subprime court in it's Constitutionally rightful place.

[Bengus81]

6. Gawd.....some kind of friends eh Biden? n/t

[Roy Rolling]

7. Read the Room

They must’ve talked to someone beyond their clique.

Huddling among senators to discuss Biden’s political future is a day late and a dollar short.

Or, “that train has left the station”.

But July 8, 2024: just STFU.

[Emile]

8. It's not THEIR decision. It's the VOTERS.

Well said! K n R

[MOMFUDSKI]

9. Warner may not get re-elected for pulling

this stunt

[markodochartaigh]

23. Well, we need all the Democratic seats we can get in the Senate.

I think it is like Manchin, at least a Democratic seat, even though he often wasn't reliable. I remember Warner working with some pretty reich-wing Republicans a decade ago to cut social safety net programs. I wish that something had been done about him then.

[William Seger]

12. "concerns about his mental acuity"

Anyone who has "concerns about [Biden's] mental acuity" must not have been actually paying attention to what either candidate was actually saying. Biden's presentation was weak, but his answers were coherent and honest, while Trump's were neither. That one mischaracterization shows how off-base and superficial all this is. Why has this not caused Biden to drop in the polls? My guess is that all the stupid voters are already committed to Trump.

[samnsara]

14. my stomach hurts

[IA8IT]

31. same here.. gutted

[cstanleytech]

17. Hillary kicked Trump's ass at their debates and lost which means debates don't pick the winner.

Besides there is one more coming up and I'm fully expecting Biden to kick Trump's ass.

[StevieM]

36. Hillary was about to kick Trump's ass on Election Day.

In the end, it was James Comey who beat her.

[ananda]

18. Well, the base has spoken, and they finally heard us!

Good

[Prairie Gates]

19. If you come at the king...

...you best not miss.

[kozar]

25. We are hungry dogs,

Who eat our own tail, instead of opening a fridge.


My grandmother used to say this.

[kozar]

32. My grandma said to me

Who eat our own tail, instead of opening the fridge.

[malthaussen]

38. Maybe the Party should instead consider if they should support Mark Warner next time. n/t