Behind the Curtain: Top Dems now believe Biden will exit

[Wavelight]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Axios

Several top Democrats privately tell us the rising pressure of party congressional leaders and close friends will persuade President Biden to decide to drop out of the presidential race, as soon as this weekend.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/president-biden-drop-out-election-democrats?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial

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The water temperature keeps rising. These are bizarre times.

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[MOMFUDSKI]

1. Does Nancy want a Harris/Newsome

ticket? I am befuddled.

[totodeinhere]

14. Not possible. They are both from California. n/t

[SCantiGOP]

23. I would see two good VP candidates

Beshear of Kentucky or Cooper of NC. Both popular Dem governors of red states, and Cooper could help out NC into play.

[Freddie]

29. PA Gov Shapiro

Very popular D Gov in an essential swing state. Plus he’s a great guy.

[SCantiGOP]

35. Agree

And PA could be the pivotal state this year.

[Freddie]

40. There hasn't been a President from Pennsylvania

Since the second-worst president in history, James Buchanan.
If you’re ever in the Lancaster area, the Buchanan home is an interesting day trip.

[bluestarone]

2. Hate to see this, BUT PRESSURE is PRESSURE.

I'm sure Jill will help Joe through this. I just hate it. I will SUPPORT Joe, whatever his final decision will be.

[Prairie Gates]

16. I mean, at this point, it's hard to call it a decision

He said no about a hundred times. He's being forced out; that much is clear. The whole "Pressure" narrative negates the "Decision" narrative.

[bluestarone]

22. Honestly the pressure I'M talking about is NOT the same kinda pressure you are.

The pressure i'm talking about is what is in JOE'S Heart. JOE would NEVER drop out if he thought it was the WRONG thing to do. I believe this to the bottom of my heart. Joe will do this, THAT i know.

[Prairie Gates]

52. The pressure in Joe's heart, is it?!?

Holy mother of God.

[bluestarone]

54. I know you can't understand that.

Kinda tells me a story about you.

[democrattotheend]

41. He's said no publicly

But I remember reading even a week or two ago that he was more receptive privately. In public, he has to be 100% that he's not stepping aside until the moment he makes a different decision. But what he's said privately might be different. It's very possible that what Nancy Pelosi said last week about waiting for him to make a decision was based on him telling her privately that he was considering stepping aside, despite what he has been saying in public.

[Ocelot II]

3. Then what?

[sop]

30. I have mental images of a smoke-filled backroom full of cigar-smoking old pols doing some horse-trading.

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[maxsolomon]

49. Well, no one smokes cigars any more.

It will be vape pens.

[Turbineguy]

4. It's time to study Project 2025 to determine how it will impact you.

Nice own goal, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, guys!

[maxsolomon]

50. I'm already preparing for it,

regardless of what scenario plays out.

[bullimiami]

5. THATS NOT LBN OR ANY SORT OF NEWS. ITS PURE PROPAGANDA.WEAPONIZED.

[BlueInPhilly]

6. Why is this LBN?

It’s another conjecture. It is NOT Late Breaking News!

[GiqueCee]

7. Et tu, Brutus?

These fuckers had better make public their reasoning, or start updating their resumés.

[Botany]

8. Running off the best President of my lifetime and one of the best Presidents in our history is not ....

… a winning strategy. However the super rich don’t want Joe because he is helping the
middle class and they can’t stand that.

[Autumn]

9. I think it will all come clear. There is a lot of chatter out there.

I trust Biden his family and our top Democrats to do the right thing.

[Chakaconcarne]

60. Thank you... this is such a refreshing statement to hear on DU as of late...

It's been a little out of control here.....given that none of us are insiders and only have what MSM is feeding us.

[BigMin28]

10. If they force the President out

TSF wins, and that will be the demise of the democratic party. Either the people's voice matters, or the donors. We will wait and see.

[Chakaconcarne]

61. TSF won't win against a rock.....legitimately.

[liberalmuse]

11. If these people have more info than we do right now

They should probably let us know, and it had better be damn good. I suspect they are allowing fear to overwhelm them. I understand. No one of sound mind wants a Trump/Vance/Project 2025 dictatorship. But don’t disenfranchise your voters or open a new ticket up to massive GOP litigation, because they will sue any new ticket as illegitimate.

I suspect this is why the idea is being floated about and leaked to the press. They know what we know and are testing the waters. To be honest, I’m very dismayed. If they succeed in pushing Biden out with nothing more than what we’ve been privy to so far, I will re-register as an Independent and still vote for the less evil. I’m a lifelong Democrat, but this entire fiasco has been eye-opening.

[totodeinhere]

12. I have maintained all along that the president will recover

from any fall out from the debate. And I have believed that he is the best candidate to win in November. However this constant barrage of negative publicity has led me to believe that I may have been wrong and that the President's days are numbered. It just seems to be one thing after another. We are hearing that Democratic leaders in both the house and the Senate plus Nancy Pelosi all want him out. And those are people who have worked closely with him and know him. Is it time for us to start listening to the Democratic leaders or should we stick with the president? My heart tells me to stick with Joe. But my mind tells me that perhaps I should be less emotional and more open to another path. I know one thing. We have to defeat Trump in November. And if the president can't then we need to find someone else who can. And I would enthusiastically support Vice President Harris should she get the nomination.

[democrattotheend]

46. I'm torn as well

He's been a terrific president and based solely on job performance thus far, I believe he absolutely deserves another term. But it's also clear from all of the public appearances I've watched in the last few weeks, not just the debate, that he's a shell of his former self. And the problem is not just whether he's up to it now but whether he'll be up to it a year from now, 2 years from now, 4 years from now. Even if he is, I think he's going to have a really tough time shaking the perception that he's not up to it. I watched his interview with Lester Holt and I loved most of what he had to say, but as much as I hate to say it, he still seemed old and weak in his mannerisms and it's a devastating contrast optically to the images of Trump pumping his fist in the air after being shot.

I really don't want to see him be pushed out, but I think our party leaders would be doing him and the country a disservice if they weren't honest with him about the polls and public perception and his chances of winning, at least as they look right now. Part of me wants to see him keep fighting, but I would fully respect if he decided to step aside at this point.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. There are only 2 candidates. Trump and Not-Trump

America needs to understand that.

[cilla4progress]

15. Putin is succeeding here

as he has in much of the rest of the world.

What's life here going to be like under him?

[groundloop]

17. This entire debacle sure reminds me of how we lost Al Franken

[rzemanfl]

28. Lots of Russians here back then.

They have gotten better at not tipping their hands between then and now.

[groundloop]

37. True. I imagine many have been here quite a while now.

[Bitbit]

18. I'm Sorry but I Believe This is

Pure Propaganda. Axios picked this story up from ABC a couple of days ago and are milking it dry.
So did other major outlets. ABC was the sole source of this story and leaks from the offices of no names……changed to “ The Democrats” told us are just not good enough, IMO. It’s media created drama.

I guess we shall see soon enough.

[Roc2020]

19. I don't believe one word

of it. Biden won't quit. Now if the Dems at the DNC want to give the election to Trump and have a brokered convention, go right ahead.

[Jon Ace]

20. I'll believe it if I hear it

straight from Biden.

[PortTack]

39. JRB said just yesterday that if a medical came to him and told him he had something seriously wrong he

Would drop out….just yesterday…straight from the horse’s mouth. Why is that not enough?

[CanonRay]

21. I feel like I'm watching a slow motion suicide

and I can't stop it.

[4139]

27. .... Time slooows when Getting sucked into a black hole

[PortTack]

24. Not buying it!

[TomCADem]

25. Again, If We Let Feinstein Decide Her Future, Why Not Biden?

Just like Biden, there were whispers being spread about Senator Feinstein suffering from mental decline with edited videos being spread with calls for her to resign to allow Democrats to appoint more judges, yet ultimately she was not pressured to step down.

This is why I am surprised that Adam Schiff is leading calls for Biden not to run that he is benefiting from Feinstein’s decision to stick it out since he is running for her former seat.

[kansasobama]

26. MSNBC Morning Joe reports

Katzenberg or someone, Biden fund manager, says Biden will have only half the funds he needs after convention, thanks to big donor drying up. Private donors can give him only half.

[Freethinker65]

31. So big donors and not voters select leader of the Democratic Party?!!!!

Better change the name then because it sure isn't Democratic. If so, I, and others, might just call it quits.

[barbaraann]

34. Don't the big donors want to defeat fascism?

Isn't that all that matters in this election?

[rzemanfl]

38. It should not take a billion dollars to defeat TSF. n/t

[HariSeldon]

59. We lose without Biden, so if we're going to lose...

...let's lose without alienating primary voters through a negation of their cast votes. Of course, a lot of this is media-spun garbage. One example: one of my senators said Biden ought to make a point of showing more energy at campaign events, and the reporting spun it as "Senator Murray says Democrats need a more energetic candidate." What utter BS.

[nowforever]

32. Mike Allen

Is a complete turd and I wouldn't believe anything he has to say or report. He has always been a twerp who leans conservative and is desperate to be noticed.

[Bengus81]

33. Dropping out NO....FORCED OUT....YES

Biden would stay in for our Country and democracy if he had to CRAWL to the GD Oval office. They need to stop the "dropping out" BS and get with the real facts here.

[TBF]

36. Axios (your source) owned by billion dollar company Cox Enterprises -

has given far more $$ to republicans than democrats. My source - open secrets . org

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/cox-enterprises/summary?id=D000000768

More media hit job stories ...

[Demsrule86]

42. innuendo and bullshit... trashing.

[Miguelito Loveless]

43. Axios wants Biden out

And will keep pushing this narrative about "top Democrats" until they get there way and give Trump the win.

[Blue Owl]

44. Wavelight, is this you?

[dlilafae]

45. Why, because..

TRump is 79?

[republianmushroom]

47. Todays news, "Donald Trump's Chances of Winning Election Are Declining"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143274386

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polling-data-five-thirty-eight-1926226

[alexjohn1965]

48. Just Wow

The level of stupid in the Democratic party keeps rising. Without Biden we lose. One debate performance and these people are calling for Biden to step aside? Why do the dems always eat their own? I have spent a lifetime of watching democrats play Charlie Brown to Lucy with a football. Jesus Christ I'm sick of it.

[hume]

51. With you completely.

Why do Dems insist on attacking themselves.

[Magoo48]

53. Speculative horseshit until such time it comes to pass.

Oh, and who the fuck says? Exactly who?

[shotten99]

55. Biden deserves better.

Hats off to him. He's done an impressive job the past four years and I'd be damned proud to vote for him again.

[Beachnutt]

56. Is Harris just automatically required to fill the Presidential candidate spot ?

It is an election isn't it ?

[we can do it]

57. Stop

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

58. Still speculation

[Omaha Steve]

62. AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING

Speculation at this point. Not LBN.