FBI Says Trump Was Struck by Bullet or Its Fragment
Source: Daily Beast via Yahoo w reporting by Fox
The FBI has reportedly confirmed former President Donald Trump was indeed shot by a bullet, ending speculation about what exactly bloodied Trump’s ear.
The agency told Fox News reporter Jacqui Heinrich in a statement on Friday afternoon, “What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” the statement read. The statement was also posted by Fox’s Bret Baier.
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shelshaw
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msongs
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ProfessorGAC
(76,695 posts)Bullets don't just fragment in mid-air. If it was a fragment, it had to hit something first.
I've seen the bullet test on Forged In Fire. The bullet is fine until it hits the sword!
Bengus81
(10,163 posts)His ear wouldn't have looked that good if a fully intact bullet hit it. No question there.........
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,504 posts)Grazes don't destroy anything beyond the tiny area the bullet touches. There isn't enough resistance in a grazing wound to transfer much of the bullets kinetic energy.
azureblue
(2,728 posts)the Ak fires a small bullet that is designed to tumble when it hits something. It would have to hit something pretty hard to break apart, and there is nothing between that would cause that.
Think. Again.
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Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)
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(56,198 posts)I think people are more wondering about the nature of the contact.
Did a tiny piece of something pierce his ear? Or did something graze against it, a side-swipe? Or the damage due to impact, friction, or heat transfer?
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)It grazed the ear, it did not go through the ear. The pictures show that clearly.
unblock
(56,198 posts)The pic showed a bullet went near him, and that surely had much to do with the injury, but it doesn't tell us if the whole bullet grazed him or a fragment from it traveling close to it grazed him or whatever.
If they recovered the bullet intact, that would be helpful.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)
unblock
(56,198 posts)If that pic is enough to know it was a whole bullet or a part of a bullet or displaced mosquito that had the misfortune of being in the path of the bullet and if it was heat or friction or impact that cause the injury, fine.
Clear as mud to me.
bluestarone
(22,174 posts).This is crazy. NOTHING is clear about contradicting statements from the FBI. We should ALL know better that to trust anyone from TFG's secret service or personal DR'S. PERIOD!
forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)I rewatched the video and he flinches like a bug bit him, not like someone hit by a bullet full speed.
Early speculation was he was hit by a chunk of glass from the teleprompter, but it makes sense it was a tiny bullet fragment that ricocheted off something else and was going much slower than bullet-speed. Potentially a round hit the floor and a shard could have bounced up past his ear.
I can see two notches in his ear in the picture - he is extremely lucky to have survived that. An inch to the side could have hit him in the neck or the eye or his skull. But that bestows him no special ability nor talent except his own personal whatever dark-soul-genie deal he made to continuously roll 20s. Guns are just as dangerous as they were before Donold became a lucky shooting survivor. So many kids and regular people haven't been so lucky when randomly shot at.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)So it's hard to see where it's coming form.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)I used to have a very intense (i.e., adrenaline flooded) reaction to any sudden image of blood and injury,. I'm happy to say I'm (mostly) over it, but that gave me a bit of a jolt.
I know it was highly pertinent to the discussion, so I understand why it was posted. I'm just weird.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)My bad! 
IbogaProject
(5,911 posts)I know it's a crazy idea, but the other side loves that stuff. I think it was a setup. But now we've taken the momentum for now.
stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)less lethal bullet ...
Jebus H.! You're right - crazy idea. The kind that we'd be better off not passing around.
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EX500rider
(12,582 posts)Wax?
Rubber?
The FBI would have find traces of those.
Slower?
At that range using a underpowered bullet would make trajectory very uncertain, esp mixed in with regular hi-powered bullets.
If it had the speed to get there it had the speed to kill you IMO
eggplant
(4,199 posts)And two others seriously wounded.
Let's try to stay grounded here.
poli-junkie
(1,567 posts)
BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)What's up with that?
Only the republican pill-popper has opined. I don't trust him.
Did the FBI finally talk to the Drs after two freaking weeks?
Then say so, for crying out loud.
Bengus81
(10,163 posts)They just had unfortunate "accidents" as the years went by. Sure they did.............
BTW...I fail to see how Trump went to a hospital, got all the tests,shots and care a shooting victim would needed yet was seen exciting his plane in NJ in such a short period of time. I would think they would have at least held him overnight for observation.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)I think they ask you to sign something that acknowledges you're leaving "against medical advice" (so you can't sue them blind if your condition worsens or something), but they can't make you stay.
Remembering how Trump acted when he had covid (making a big show of being a lot less sick than he really was), I could easily see him declining to stay for observation if he was asked to, Gotta show the voters what a big, tough, macho man he is!
BComplex
(9,913 posts)He needs to be replaced. Right along side of DeJoy.
ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)
IcyPeas
(25,474 posts)Even..... even if there's an an iota of truth to your story we're not going to believe it.
Signed,
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
bullimiami
(14,075 posts)There’s a whole lot of “saying” and a whole little of science.
thatdemguy
(620 posts)3d recreation, with many angles and views.
gristy
(10,733 posts)Great analysis. Thanks for posting.
Scrivener7
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niyad
(132,440 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)gab13by13
(32,318 posts)Was TSF attacked Wray and said he should be removed. Then Wray changed his story. What made Wray change, not a forensic report.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Imagine Biden saying about some event: "I don't know if it was mini-submarine or a small surface boat", and then a few days later saying "We can say now that it was a surface boat", then nobody here would be claiming he "changed his story". We should apply the same standard to the utterances of Wray, since they follow the same pattern. As to reports, Wray gets preliminary reports while investigations are still on going and before they have completed a thorough analysis and before they are ready to release.
Ford_Prefect
(8,610 posts)The Washington Post
The FBI says former President Donald Trump was struck in the ear by a bullet during an assassination attempt on July 13, as the agency moved Friday to clarify what happened after nearly two weeks of confusion and conflicting accounts
By Jill Colvin, Eric Tucker, Bernard Condon and Jim Mustian | AP
July 26, 2024 at 7:18 p.m. EDT
WASHINGTON — Nearly two weeks after Donald Trump’s near assassination, the FBI confirmed Friday that it was indeed a bullet that struck the former president’s ear, moving to clear up conflicting accounts about what caused the former president’s injuries after a gunman opened fire at a Pennsylvania rally.
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“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” the agency said in a statement.
The statement from the FBI marked the most definitive law enforcement account of Trump’s injuries and followed ambiguous comments earlier in the week from Director Christopher Wray that appeared to cast doubt on whether Trump had actually been hit by a bullet.
The article includes a photo which appears to show where the points of contact were on the ear in question.
Some may scoff at the Post for editorial choices they have made. I refuse to use FOX News for ANY purpose since it lies as often as their lips move.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)gab13by13
(32,318 posts)TSF’s threats?
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)His statement was that it was not clearly established (at that time)
William Seger
(12,443 posts)I can't seem to find the evidence and reasoning they used to reach that conclusion. I'm still convinced it wasn't a bullet still travelling at supersonic speed, because if it was, Trump would have described hearing a loud crack like a bullwhip, not a "loud whizzing sound."
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)We're getting sidetracked arguing about stupid stuff. The result is the same.
There's an extremely important presidential election happening right now. We have to keep our eyes on the prize. Let the ChumpHumpers wallow in stupid arguments and fake news.
Remember the story about the tortoise and the hare? We're heading to the finish line and we won't be distracted.
Let's go team - all hands on deck.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)and canonization.
Near death experiences make some people reevaluate their lives. Such is not the case here.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)
SunSeeker
(58,282 posts)Link to tweet
More pics of his unbandaged ear from his Logan Act violating meeting with Netanyahu:
https://www.indy100.com/politics/trump/trump-ear-without-bandage
Celerity
(54,405 posts)lack of discernment exhibited by some since day one. You still have some claiming it was all staged and/or clinging the Teleprompter-Truther stance.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)We have a lot of questions and not nearly enough clear answers yet, and the lack of info from the doctor(s) who treated TSF is particularly infuriating, imo. But we'll never be able to fully resolve anything in a messageboard discussion. We just don't have access to enough information.
I know it can be hard to let go of something like this when you're dying to know the real facts, but sometimes that's all you can do.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)We should be asking ourselves this: The Repukes have pored over every tiny detail of Hunter Biden's sex life, but not one of them is calling for an investigation into this assassination attempt.
Why aren't they outraged like we know they can get? Because they've been told it's a nothing-burger and don't push it. Maybe they're trying way too hard to get us distracted by it, hmmm?
Blues Heron
(8,837 posts)We`ll have to wait for more analysis to come in for the definitive answer - so far he got hit by something, that’s about it. Maybe bullet, maybe a fragment? What did the bullet hit then if it was a fragment? Sounds like they dont have the trajectories pinned down yet. Wait and see.
Omnipresent
(7,450 posts)When the secret service sharp shooters were high up on their roof, why weren’t they looking through their scopes beforehand??
I’m sure if they did, they would have spotted the guy on the far away roof, then this shit would have never happened.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)... requested permission to shoot him before he fired. In a period of 80 seconds to two minutes before he fired.
Multiple failures, any one of which could have thwarted the attempt. (List not not complete or vetted)
1) Roof was not monitored at time assassin climbed up. Various reasons given: root too hot for comfort, break time, own initiative to go do something else, and more.
2) Reports of the gun and the range finder were not take seriously.
3) One report may have reached the command centre and a cop sent out to check it out, results unknown.
4) Reports of drone flight hour or two before shots not noticed by USSS.
5) Why didn't tRump get hustled off the stage right away.
6) Trump was allowed to get on stage though reports of a possible shooter were circulating.
Omnipresent
(7,450 posts)It just makes me wonder why the SS had handled the situation in such an amateurish way.
stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)"bullet. or bullet fragment - from shooter's gun"
sanduca
(94 posts)The shooter was after any politician. I believe even President Biden was in his agenda. Anyone in the area would have been his victim.
However, trumputin has told his inner circle to say nothing. Why would that be?
My guess is that his wounds are superficial but he wants to raise money out of the scuff he got. He claims he took a bullet for democracy. He also incited January 6 coup for democracy. He also had fake electors for democracy.
Anyone who believes his bullshit is as dumb as his cult.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)If he wanted to raise money off his supposed "brush with death," he maybe should have kept wearing the bandage for a while longer. Publicly displaying a perfectly normal looking ear this soon after the incident isn't helping his credibility, lol.
However, we know he's not very smart and neither are his followers. The MAGA crowd may consider these pics to be evidence of a miraculous healing rather than a reason to question his version of events!
Talitha
(7,986 posts)
markodochartaigh
(5,545 posts)that an assassin got within shooting distance of a presidential candidate.
And, personally, I find the FBI not to be particularly credible.
I think that it is not believable that Trump or anyone physically close to him immediately after the shots were fired knew in advance of the shooting. That advance knowledge would be required for an injury to be simulated. I don't believe that in the heat of the moment Trump or anyone else would have come up with a plan to fake an injury. I don't think that anyone would, and we ain't exactly dealing with the fastest bosons in the supercollider here.
And whether it was a bullet or shrapnel it came very close to ending Trump's participation in the race. I think that it is not plausible that we were anything other than extremely fortunate. A wounded or martyred Trump would have guaranteed a Republican president and probably both houses of Congress.
egduj
(881 posts)That's not encouraging.
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)Deb
(3,744 posts)it's the only legit he'll ever get.
twodogsbarking
(18,777 posts)
GreenWave
(12,640 posts)It could have sent a bone chip at Trump's ear.
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)
MichMan
(17,150 posts)GreenWave
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Clouds Passing
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aggiesal
(10,801 posts)When it comes to Pendejo45, question everything.
A couple of days ago, FBI Director Christopher Wray testifying before Congress, said: 'With respect to former president Trump, there’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/jul/25/fbi-director-questions-bullet-shrapnel-hit-trump-video
I believe the WH put pressure on the FBI to come out with a statement, affirming Pendejo45's side of events.
Until the medical report is released, I'm not buying any of this.
republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)BrightKnight
(3,684 posts)That is why the DoD uses them. They deliver lots of energy and shockwaves in a small bullet. It is surprising that he didn’t even need stitches.
Scrivener7
(59,520 posts)
Flatrat
(176 posts)or a fragment , or sharpie or anything else.
The real story here that a person was "allowed" (most likely by negligence) to get close enough to take a shot with a rifle at a presidential candidate, and kill someone else in the process.
The ear conjecture is media entertainment, and a far secondary story.
nakocal
(625 posts)are up to their old tricks again. Wray is as bad as Comey.