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BumRushDaShow

(169,409 posts)
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:33 PM Jul 2024

Kamala Harris allies deploy new Trump attack line: he is 'just plain weird'

Source: The Guardian

Sun 28 Jul 2024 13.41 EDT


US Democrats have spent recent days trying out a relatively new attack line on Donald Trump: that he is weird. The tactic is almost certainly calibrated to resonate with young and independent voters who, polls show, are moving from marked disinterest in the now-dropped matchup between Joe Biden and his presidential predecessor to engagement in the 100-day contest between Trump and Kamala Harris.

In a press release Thursday, vice-president and presumptive Democratic nominee Kamala Harris issued a list of the main takeaways of what Trump had given the American people. “Is Donald Trump OK?” the X message said. The seventh of nine entries was: “Trump is old and quite weird?”

At a fundraising event in Massachusetts on Saturday, Harris tried out the line again, describing what Trump and running mate JD Vance had been saying about her as “just plain weird”. “I mean that’s the box you put that in,” Harris said after Trump had called her “a bum” the previous day and Vance disparaged her in 2021 as a “childless cat (lady)”.

The Harris campaign, working to redefine the race with particular attention to the youth vote, including colorizing online HarrisHQ banners lime green after Charli xcx’s “brat” endorsement, has sought to draw attention to Trump’s rally storytelling. Particularly, they have highlighted his frequent but references to fictional serial killer Hannibal Lecter of Silence of the Lambs fame as well as the choice between being shocked by a sinking electric boat or being eaten by a shark. But “weird” is what seems to be sticking, in part as an apparent simplification of warnings about the threat to democracy that Trump poses – which dominated 15 months of Biden’s re-election campaign.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/28/kamala-harris-trump-weird

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Kamala Harris allies deploy new Trump attack line: he is 'just plain weird' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 OP
Well he is weird. They both are. No need to explain it. People know. Srkdqltr Jul 2024 #1
Pretty sure Tim Walz of MN started this and it is highly effective. MontanaMama Jul 2024 #2
YES, MN governor WAlZ came up with it! SOMETHING IMPORTANT elleng Jul 2024 #3
The weird and creepy labels have taken MontanaMama Jul 2024 #5
YES! Mark our calendars, MMama! elleng Jul 2024 #8
Thanks for sharing that clip of Walz! He's just good at this! BComplex Jul 2024 #6
I like strange, bizarre and grotesque. There are livetohike Jul 2024 #4
I like NJCher Jul 2024 #34
I particularly like BattleRow Jul 2024 #51
I want Walz on her team! BComplex Jul 2024 #7
YES! elleng Jul 2024 #9
I do too. MontanaMama Jul 2024 #10
Weird is too nice, he's dangerous. dem4decades Jul 2024 #11
The media has spent years sensitizing the public to the harsher terms BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #13
Yes! Weird and creepy are to be shunned; you move to the other side of the street. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #17
The media has "mainstreamed" the GOP's behavior BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #18
It's also very hard to counter without looking really defensive. Or just proving the point. NYC Liberal Jul 2024 #20
Yup BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #21
MSNBC put together a collection of clips of Democrats calling Trump and Vance weird LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #12
I really wish that Hillary had done this in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #14
Weird old Sleepy Don should go sit by his pool in Florida, like Al Capone did while syphillus ate his brain. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #15
Weird indeed. Who else talks about the flow of water out of a toilet/faucet? Who talks about sharks? Who talks about SWBTATTReg Jul 2024 #16
The last time I heard anyone talking about those things Zoomie1986 Jul 2024 #53
Yes. And by the way, welcome to DU! SWBTATTReg Jul 2024 #54
The personification of Weird LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #19
Basic math question oldsoldierfadingfast Jul 2024 #22
Welcome to DU!! GP6971 Jul 2024 #27
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #57
Absolutely. TomSlick Jul 2024 #60
100 days left to keep these weirdos out of office. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #23
Weird? He is bat$hit crazy liberal N proud Jul 2024 #24
And he smells funny. PurgedVoter Jul 2024 #25
"America deserves better than this deeply abnormal person as POTUS" RockRaven Jul 2024 #26
Always timms139 Jul 2024 #28
Trump is a dry drunk. Jacson6 Jul 2024 #29
Creepy, stinky, dirty old man.... nt BrightKnight Jul 2024 #30
I think it's more than just plain weird. LiberalFighter Jul 2024 #31
Your drunk uncle is "weird" but he's still your uncle. hay rick Jul 2024 #32
The "weird uncle" looks up his nieces' skirts. The weird guy parked across from the school has a puppy ro show you Hekate Jul 2024 #50
I wonder if the name "Trump" will disappear Seinan Sensei Jul 2024 #33
I think NJCher Jul 2024 #35
trump IS weird. Extremely weird. mwb970 Jul 2024 #36
#TrumpIsWeird is trending LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #37
That seems like pretty weak tea to me.... King_Klonopin Jul 2024 #38
OLD gets criticized with accusations of ageism. Justice matters. Jul 2024 #40
I actually think labeling them weird is very effective. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #43
The dramitcally aggressive pushback and criticisms it's receiving from RW media and talking-heads Torchlight Jul 2024 #61
And if they try to un-weird themselves, they'll just get weirder. ALSO- I'm quite warming up to this Tim Walz guy! NBachers Jul 2024 #39
We must do better than that: : he is 'just plain fascist'. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2024 #41
See this that I posted upthread BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #42
Nope Zoomie1986 Jul 2024 #55
That's gonna burn. Tagging him with one well-chosen word. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #44
I absolutely love the light-heartedness of this campaign so far! Novara Jul 2024 #45
Hurrah! Mr. Mustard 2023 Jul 2024 #46
Oh, I disagree. Nothing "plain" about his weirdity. n/t malthaussen Jul 2024 #47
AOC to Vivek Ramaswamy: "It's an incel platform, dude" -- Hekate Jul 2024 #48
I personally would have chosen a different strategy LostOne4Ever Jul 2024 #49
At least a..holes BattleRow Jul 2024 #52
From the Gingrich / Luntz playbook The Wizard Jul 2024 #56
The Harris Campaign posted this last week LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #58
I think this is what has been missing from the reporting on Trump. He's not just extreme, incoherent, and violent. What Martin68 Jul 2024 #59

MontanaMama

(24,719 posts)
2. Pretty sure Tim Walz of MN started this and it is highly effective.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:40 PM
Jul 2024

Call it what it is and keep doing it. They're weird and creepy. Their policies are weird and creepy.

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MontanaMama

(24,719 posts)
5. The weird and creepy labels have taken
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:52 PM
Jul 2024

social media by storm. I'm here for it! It is so simple....wish we had been doing this all along.

livetohike

(24,267 posts)
4. I like strange, bizarre and grotesque. There are
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jul 2024

plenty of synonyms that can be used 😀. They all fit.

BComplex

(9,899 posts)
7. I want Walz on her team!
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:56 PM
Jul 2024

That's what he came up with early on. He has a great way of delivering that, too.

MontanaMama

(24,719 posts)
10. I do too.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 03:59 PM
Jul 2024

He's got a young daughter and she's very influential in his life. That's an important perspective to have, imho.

BumRushDaShow

(169,409 posts)
13. The media has spent years sensitizing the public to the harsher terms
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 04:19 PM
Jul 2024

while normalizing the idea that actual convicted criminals are "okay" and can run for President.

Using "creepy" or "weird" or "odd", suddenly compresses the media-fed GOP crazy-world into a distinct bubble that is now labeled as being outside of societal norms, and the rest of us are merely observers, pointing and commenting on the strange behavior going on within that bubble.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
17. Yes! Weird and creepy are to be shunned; you move to the other side of the street.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jul 2024

Of course the entire GOP is weird, creepy, and dangerous, but dangerous has been "normalized" as you say.

An objective look at what they espouse leads one to conclude they are weird and creepy and should be shunned rather than elected to powerful office.

BumRushDaShow

(169,409 posts)
18. The media has "mainstreamed" the GOP's behavior
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 07:33 PM
Jul 2024

and made it acceptable for them to "say the quiet parts out loud" and prodigiously lie otherwise, all with no consequences.

It's to the point where although the media claims to continuously "fact check" them, they are bored with doing it and merely use rubber stamp phrases when writing about the lies. I.e., "so-in-so said, 'without evidence', that (fill in the blank lie) ".

The "fact check" basically has become meaningless because there is no punishment assigned by society for the lying.

So they need to be "un-mainstreamed", isolated in their own little bizarro world, and ridiculed from afar.

NYC Liberal

(20,453 posts)
20. It's also very hard to counter without looking really defensive. Or just proving the point.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 08:07 PM
Jul 2024

Anything else can be spun. Maybe by lying, but still spun.

Weird is subjective. It’s a vibe. There’s no real good way to fight back once you’ve got that label stuck to you because there’s no logic or factual claim to argue against.

It’s actually a lot like conservatives calling liberals “elitist”.

BumRushDaShow

(169,409 posts)
21. Yup
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 08:11 PM
Jul 2024

It's like the political strategists often say - "If you have to explain it, then you are losing" (in this case, try to defend oneself from the label).

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,523 posts)
14. I really wish that Hillary had done this in 2016
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 04:43 PM
Jul 2024

TFG stalked Hillary in the debate and this is a great way to call TFG out



Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
15. Weird old Sleepy Don should go sit by his pool in Florida, like Al Capone did while syphillus ate his brain.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jul 2024

SWBTATTReg

(26,252 posts)
16. Weird indeed. Who else talks about the flow of water out of a toilet/faucet? Who talks about sharks? Who talks about
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 06:55 PM
Jul 2024

getting electrocuted? H. Lecter, a fictional character, batteries, electric cars, etc.

I know his mind is going, so he needs to get out of the race. He's not well.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
53. The last time I heard anyone talking about those things
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 02:37 PM
Jul 2024

It was from dudebros who were blowing above 2 on a breathlyzer.

Or who had done a bunch of drugs and were higher than the exosphere.

That's how weird this creep is.

RockRaven

(19,297 posts)
26. "America deserves better than this deeply abnormal person as POTUS"
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jul 2024

"Don't you want a normal human in the White House?"

Not election slogans I would have expected to utter a decade ago, but here we are.

Jacson6

(1,994 posts)
29. Trump is a dry drunk.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 10:35 PM
Jul 2024

These kind of people appeal to the reactionaries and tax cuts no matter what crowd. Think of Adolf Hitler's hypnotism of the 40% of the German people.

hay rick

(9,589 posts)
32. Your drunk uncle is "weird" but he's still your uncle.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 11:04 PM
Jul 2024

Charles Manson, Jim Jones, and Jeffrey Dahmer may have been weird, but the important truth is they were sick and evil.

We should be speaking the truth about Donald Trump. American voters, regardless of age, should be confronted with the truth. If we're too nice to bruise some feelings we're probably too nice to keep our democracy.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
50. The "weird uncle" looks up his nieces' skirts. The weird guy parked across from the school has a puppy ro show you
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 01:27 PM
Jul 2024

IMO, the word “weird” will do handily.

We’ve been speaking the truth about Trump all along, while he’s been slinging schoolyard mud with a 4th grade vocabulary.

Seinan Sensei

(1,536 posts)
33. I wonder if the name "Trump" will disappear
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 11:30 PM
Jul 2024

You know, like the name “Hitler”
I’ve never heard of anyone whose surname is Hitler

NJCher

(43,114 posts)
35. I think
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 12:12 AM
Jul 2024

Ben Meiseles has been calling him weird for a long time. Any other long time listeners/viewers recall?

So has a good friend of mine, who has called him weird for years.

mwb970

(12,148 posts)
36. trump IS weird. Extremely weird.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 01:30 AM
Jul 2024

So is Vance. In fact, the whole damn MAGA cult is weird as hell.

King_Klonopin

(1,372 posts)
38. That seems like pretty weak tea to me....
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 01:46 AM
Jul 2024

I would pound away using labels like "dangerous", power-hungry, authoritarian, etc.

We need to learn how to be better at "messaging" from the pros -- the repugs -- who really
know how to find a word and beat it into the ground. How about OLD?

Justice matters.

(9,758 posts)
40. OLD gets criticized with accusations of ageism.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 02:13 AM
Jul 2024

Ageism is one form of discrimination in too many cases, as opposed to weird, which is usually what the young generation uses (it can apply to any person, young and old).

Torchlight

(6,792 posts)
61. The dramitcally aggressive pushback and criticisms it's receiving from RW media and talking-heads
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 09:42 PM
Jul 2024

against something so benign and simple, someting so effortless in its vernacular, so catching in its concern, and so organic in usage seems to me a leading indicator of its effectiveness.

NBachers

(19,424 posts)
39. And if they try to un-weird themselves, they'll just get weirder. ALSO- I'm quite warming up to this Tim Walz guy!
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 01:49 AM
Jul 2024

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,781 posts)
41. We must do better than that: : he is 'just plain fascist'.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 04:07 AM
Jul 2024

Play their game and get tough and a little mean:

He is 'just a narcissistic psychopath'. (has a nice rhythm to it when used as a chant)

He is 'just a self-serving egomaniac'.

He is 'just a wannabe autocrat'.

He is 'simply anti-American'.

He has been a 'serial liar all his life'.

Let's remind ourselves often this the man that called Hillary Clinton a nasty woman and labeled all Democrats every ornery name in the book including Nazis.

BumRushDaShow

(169,409 posts)
42. See this that I posted upthread
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 06:30 AM
Jul 2024
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3280825

The media has spent years sensitizing the public to the harsher terms

while normalizing the idea that actual convicted criminals are "okay" and can run for President.

Using "creepy" or "weird" or "odd", suddenly compresses the media-fed GOP crazy-world into a distinct bubble that is now labeled as being outside of societal norms, and the rest of us are merely observers, pointing and commenting on the strange behavior going on within that bubble.


And this explains why - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3280911

It's also very hard to counter without looking really defensive. Or just proving the point.

Anything else can be spun. Maybe by lying, but still spun.

Weird is subjective. It’s a vibe. There’s no real good way to fight back once you’ve got that label stuck to you because there’s no logic or factual claim to argue against.

It’s actually a lot like conservatives calling liberals “elitist”.


It's easy to dismiss what is basically a noun (calling someone "a (disparaging) name", which is objective). But a "feeling" (as an adjective), is more difficult to tackle as it is subjective and trying to argue why you're "not weird" means "you are explaining", and as the strategists caution - "If you have to 'explain' then you 'are losing'".

And interestingly enough, someone in his odd circle seemed to realize this, which caused him to suddenly pivot and call her "evil" after calling her "a lunatic".
 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
55. Nope
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 02:45 PM
Jul 2024

All that's been said, and the response has been a shrug from his cult followers and the media.

Weird works because it covers so much ground and has connotations to it that are difficult to push back against. It neuters him because it puts him on his back foot so much that he can't punch back.

I could go into the psycholinguistics behind its effectiveness on the political stage, when it's done right (as it is these days), but I don't want to bore anyone with that.

bucolic_frolic

(55,055 posts)
44. That's gonna burn. Tagging him with one well-chosen word.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 07:26 AM
Jul 2024

After all the mud he's slung and flung.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
45. I absolutely love the light-heartedness of this campaign so far!
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 07:36 AM
Jul 2024

There will be plenty of time to get deadly serious, but for now, drawing attention to how weird they are and mocking them is effective as hell.

The media has spent a decade normalizing all of this weirdness. Time and time again we've said that if a Dem said these things, they'd be run out of politics on a rail. Well, this draws the public's attention back to understanding that none of this is normal, no matter how the media spins it. Yes, the public does need to be reminded.

There will be plenty of time to get more serious but right now there's a confidence and joy in this campaign and that is so welcome. Not only that, it's attractive. People are jumping on the bandwagon of the fun campaign. The contrast is the grievance campaign.

Kamala Harris' people are geniuses.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(361 posts)
46. Hurrah!
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 09:28 AM
Jul 2024

Finally, Democrats are using plain language, and often the very words (where there are plenty to choose from) of the weird Republicons to attack the Republicons.

Alright!

Go Kamala Harris!

LostOne4Ever

(9,749 posts)
49. I personally would have chosen a different strategy
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 01:18 PM
Jul 2024

I would have gone with:

Don’t Vote for the Asshole

Trump is an asshole who appeals to assholes. I would have gone with calling that out. How we all have to deal with, and hate, assholes. They make life suck. So why vote for the asshole running for president who appeals to other assholes?

Vote for Harris! She is one of us and keep the asshole out of office!

Martin68

(27,677 posts)
59. I think this is what has been missing from the reporting on Trump. He's not just extreme, incoherent, and violent. What
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 04:12 PM
Jul 2024

really stands out is exactly that: that he's weird. Sharks, Chlorox, Hannibal Lecter, and his total inability to grasp the basics of the Constitution or our system of government.

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