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moonshinegnomie

(4,019 posts)
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:15 PM Aug 2024

'Squad' member Cori Bush will lose Democratic primary in Missouri, CNN projects

Source: cnn


Missouri Rep. Cori Bush will lose her Democratic primary to St. Louis County prosecutor Wesley Bell, CNN projects, securing another win for the same pro-Israel groups that helped oust New York Rep. Jamaal Bowman six weeks ago.

Bush, a member of the House “squad” of progressive lawmakers like Bowman, was already earmarked for a tough primary in Missouri’s 1st Congressional District – which ended up being the second-most expensive primary of the cycle, behind only Bowman’s race in New York. Her fierce advocacy for a ceasefire in Gaza added fuel to opponents’ fire.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/politics/cori-bush-squad-missouri-democratic-primary/index.html

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'Squad' member Cori Bush will lose Democratic primary in Missouri, CNN projects (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Aug 2024 OP
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #1
I didn't reslize AIPAC was funded by a foreign government. CincyDem Aug 2024 #2
Yep BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #5
VERY close AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2024 #30
it promotes support fo the policies of the Israeli Likud Party..not Israel per se prodigitalson Aug 2024 #57
That's not true. lapucelle Aug 2024 #80
Do you have some documentation of that policy? marybourg Aug 2024 #102
It IS the antisemitic dual loyalty trope. yardwork Aug 2024 #92
Agreed. It's tedious NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #93
Yeah, no osteopath6 Aug 2024 #51
Agreed. It's disgusting. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2024 #4
AIPAC is an American organization. TwilightZone Aug 2024 #7
Indeed it is. Laughable and sad. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #37
What's laughable is? Turk182 Aug 2024 #44
Oh but Democrats should listen when they want a new candidate right? You can't have it both ways. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #70
This "member" won't be answering. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #71
Oh, I see thanks! Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #72
Couldn't happen to a better (t) roll. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #73
So true! Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #74
That is true... Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #101
No.. not everyone here likes Cori Bush and we really Cha Aug 2024 #6
Cha, I'm with you 100% Pototan Aug 2024 #17
Aloha to you, too, Pototan.. Cha Aug 2024 #19
Agreed, Pototan! murielm99 Aug 2024 #28
Great! She never (if ever) supported Biden's agenda. She was frequently quoted by GOP and FOX in their attacks * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #36
The Justice Democrats PAC agenda, all or nothing: "Our organization is a hostile takeover of the Dem Party. Not betsuni Aug 2024 #40
Yes, indeed that is a shame * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #42
Just saw a clip: "All they did was radicalize me, so now they need to be afraid." betsuni Aug 2024 #54
I'll second that. nt TBF Aug 2024 #48
Looks like that one won't be responding any time soon. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #64
And while we're on the topic...you good with Americans with an interest in Cuba... CincyDem Aug 2024 #8
That is what they are tornado34jh Aug 2024 #10
No. She didn't do the job that her constituents were happy with. Her defund the police nonsense was absurd JohnSJ Aug 2024 #29
Wasn't George Latimer's win over Jamaal Bowman blamed on Jewish money too? betsuni Aug 2024 #32
Yes. There is a pattern. Cori Bush voted against the infrastructure bill and other legislation that would have helped JohnSJ Aug 2024 #33
Yes it was. Now that you mention it... I'm starting to see a pattern. Hmmm. Interesting. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #38
You wonder why I have been critical of AIPAC and the Israeli government for buying candidates tornado34jh Aug 2024 #3
Name one... CincyDem Aug 2024 #9
Try to beat this, or are you supporting Netanyahu's policies? tornado34jh Aug 2024 #12
Those are excellent and credible sources! NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #14
Absolutely. And this article highlights activity by the San Francisco JCRC, funded by... CincyDem Aug 2024 #16
Everything Jewish is Israeli, and vice versa. Duh. NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #18
Did you forget the sarcasm tag in this? CincyDem Aug 2024 #20
I'm definitely being ironic... BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #21
Wait until they find out Walz is quite pro-Israel and has said many of the same TBF Aug 2024 #49
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #25
Great point BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #26
lol Wow Sarcasm again! Cha Aug 2024 #85
"Try to beat" your link to Popular Resistance, a Green Party propaganda outfit? lapucelle Aug 2024 #55
Mahalo, lapucelle.. 3rd Party Green Party Cha Aug 2024 #86
Sounds like Antisemitic garbage to me. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #75
Oh that's easy BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #13
Supporting Israel and supporting Netanyahu are not the same thing. TwilightZone Aug 2024 #11
Exactly, though some here by their comments come close to believing that. JohnSJ Aug 2024 #31
Well, that's how Democracy works (NT) Pototan Aug 2024 #15
Yes.. Bush beat Dem, Lacy Clay, in a Primary 4 years ago. now it's her turn. Cha Aug 2024 #23
Yes, It's politics. Voters wanting change from the status quo establishment of incumbents. betsuni Aug 2024 #87
Yeah, Bush was being too Cha Aug 2024 #88
That was really weird! She said she was radicalized and coming after everybody. betsuni Aug 2024 #89
Ooooh! Cha Aug 2024 #94
she voted against the infrastructure bill moonshinegnomie Aug 2024 #22
TY for that important refresher course. Cha Aug 2024 #24
Convenient that some of her defenders leave that out. JohnSJ Aug 2024 #34
I remember a press event with Energy Secretary Granholm and Cori Bush in St. Louis betsuni Aug 2024 #35
What is sad is the "lesson" being taken from this. pat_k Aug 2024 #27
That's just your opinion Mysterian Aug 2024 #41
The lesson here is that if the constituents in you district elect you as a Democrat, lapucelle Aug 2024 #43
Cori was beholden to the Justice Democrats (an anti-Democratic party PAC) rather than to her constituents * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #65
As was Bowman. sheshe2 Aug 2024 #103
this is teh actual takeaway moonshinegnomie Aug 2024 #50
Or maybe looking the other way as American Jewish people are abused by Palestinian protestors who often Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #76
Settlement and occupation of ....Gaza? NickB79 Aug 2024 #99
Forgive typo s/b "settlement and occupation of the West Bank and war in Gaza" pat_k Aug 2024 #104
Good Polybius Aug 2024 #39
Another victory for AIPAC. totodeinhere Aug 2024 #45
Her incompetence had nothing to do with it, eh? Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #46
She lost in a Democratic district, because Democrats in her district didn't think she did a JohnSJ Aug 2024 #52
Her "concession" speech was really UGLY and divisive. Zero class. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #53
Not surprised JohnSJ Aug 2024 #56
Well she obviously was pretty pissed. totodeinhere Aug 2024 #60
She defeated herself. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #62
19 million dollars was not spent to defeat Cori Bush. lapucelle Aug 2024 #77
She specifically said in her concession speech that totodeinhere Aug 2024 #78
Yes, I know what Cori Bush said, and I also know what the record actually shows. lapucelle Aug 2024 #79
From HuffPost totodeinhere Aug 2024 #83
You didn't actually follow the HuffPo link, did you? lapucelle Aug 2024 #90
Foreign influence, like Iran and the hostages orthoclad Aug 2024 #47
Very concerning GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #58
Maybe the Palestinians can get some leaders that don't constantly call for the total destruction of Israel Mysterian Aug 2024 #66
Netanyahu and Israeli far right killing innocent Palestinian children isn't the answer GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #91
Cori Bush said she didn't know whether Hamas is a terrorist group. That's disqualifying. lapucelle Aug 2024 #95
I agree that's an unacceptable comment. GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #96
For Hamas, civilian deaths are a feature, not a bug. lapucelle Aug 2024 #97
Netanyahu a barrier to Mid East peace GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #98
Dead civilians is a feature of Sinwar's plan, and Cori Bush was unwilling to label Hamas "terrorists". lapucelle Aug 2024 #100
I support the winner of the Democratic primary NT Jk23 Aug 2024 #59
II think Squad has overdone its Gaza protest campaign kansasobama Aug 2024 #61
Nice party you got there, WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IT BREAK. DJ Synikus Makisimus Aug 2024 #63
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #67
"We know" that Cori Bush is under investigation because Cori Bush told us. lapucelle Aug 2024 #68
Oh, please. Spare us. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #69
You think that the DSA is part of the Democratic Party coalition and that liberals are right wing? lapucelle Aug 2024 #81
I think even without AIPAC she was going to lose Polybius Aug 2024 #82
Team players have much better results. Try oasis Aug 2024 #84

Response to moonshinegnomie (Original post)

CincyDem

(7,392 posts)
2. I didn't reslize AIPAC was funded by a foreign government.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:51 PM
Aug 2024

I thought for sure it was a PAC funded by US citizens who, in spite of my personal opinions about it, get to use their money as speech.

Hmmm. Learn something new everyday.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
5. Yep
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:53 PM
Aug 2024

The claim that AIPAC "represents a foreign government" is one of the more tedious falsehoods in politics. It's also dangerously close to the antisemitic "dual loyalty" trope.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
80. That's not true.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:36 PM
Aug 2024
American Israel lobby condemns Netanyahu deal with far-right party

JERUSALEM — Criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government has been heard from American Jews for a while now, but a simple 20-word tweet from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the largest American Israel lobby, has sent shock waves through the political establishment here.

The tweet, which came late Friday, was a show of support for an earlier statement by another powerful group, the American Jewish Committee (AJC).

The AJC expressed concern about an agreement reached last week — encouraged by Netanyahu to strengthen his right-wing base for the April 9 general election — uniting three small parties, including a faction made up of followers of Meir Kahane, an ultranationalist American Israeli rabbi banned from Israeli politics for his racist opinions. He was assassinated in 1990.

“The views of Otzma Yehudit are reprehensible. They do not reflect the core values that are the very foundation of the State of Israel,” AJC wrote in its statement. “The party might conceivably gain enough votes to enter the next Knesset, and potentially even become part of the governing coalition.”

AIPAC’s tweet simply said it agreed with the AJC and added that it “has a long-standing policy not to meet with members of the racist and reprehensible party.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/american-jewish-lobby-issues-rare-condemnation-of-netanyahu-deal-with-far-right-israeli-party/2019/02/25/c90d3bd8-38ec-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

No paywall:
https://archive.ph/DJ68f


yardwork

(69,364 posts)
92. It IS the antisemitic dual loyalty trope.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:31 PM
Aug 2024

No other PAC gets this scrutiny, although many others deserve scrutiny.

And it's frustrating to hear voters who "couldn't see the difference" between the parties in 2000 and 2016 bemoan the existence of PACs, which are greatly empowered by the SCOTUS decisions resulting from Republican nominees.

 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
51. Yeah, no
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:34 PM
Aug 2024

AIPAC is a powerful political force. Hopefully her loss will serve as a lesson to others pushing the anti-Israel narratives.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,703 posts)
4. Agreed. It's disgusting.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:52 PM
Aug 2024

Sad that actual liberals are treated this way on a Democratic message board.

It's bullshit that Putin has tRump for a puppet, and equally bullshit for any other politician to be owned by a foreign government.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
7. AIPAC is an American organization.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:00 AM
Aug 2024

The assertion that it's owned by a foreign government is laughable.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
37. Indeed it is. Laughable and sad.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:49 AM
Aug 2024
>> The assertion that it's owned by a foreign government is laughable.
It's an ignorant statement.
 

Turk182

(166 posts)
44. What's laughable is?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:45 AM
Aug 2024

AIPAC does not have the Democratic parties interest in mind, nor does it have the nations interest in mind, it has Israel’s interest in mind.
They use their money to get right wing election deniers elected if they agree with Israel, they will also use their money to get progressive Democrats elected if they agree with Israel.
This is a one stop shop for Israel, there is no way that Democrats should be taking money from people who finance right wing campaigns.
They care about one thing, Israel, and that is why there is massive pressure for them to register as a foreign agent.
Just take a look at the pack that AIPAC opened up called AIPAC PAC.
Why are Democrats taking money from these people?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
70. Oh but Democrats should listen when they want a new candidate right? You can't have it both ways.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:14 PM
Aug 2024

It turned out well -thank the Goddess-but donors did play a role. I am happy with Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz. It ended well.

However, there is a strong Jewish community in Cori's former district...Cori is not there to force her beliefs on the district but to serve her constituents. She didn't do that and offended a large part of her community. She also did not vote for infrastructure. Wesley Bell is our nominee. He deserves our votes and loyalty.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
6. No.. not everyone here likes Cori Bush and we really
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:58 PM
Aug 2024

don't like being told how we can feel about her Losing to Wesley Bell.. who Won because the Majority of voters of Missouri District 1 came out for him.

And, this has Nothing to do with a "foreign government".. you don't know what you're tattling about .



Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
36. Great! She never (if ever) supported Biden's agenda. She was frequently quoted by GOP and FOX in their attacks *
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:48 AM
Aug 2024

* on Democrats and on the Democratic Party. Honestly, she really didn't seem very bright to me because she relied on memorized "talking points" rather than demonstrating that she had a full understanding of the issues at hand. She couldn't speak extemporaneously on any subject without resorting to quips and sound-bites.

She was a "bumper-sticker" politician who never missed an opportunity to shit on Democrats or to let her idea of "perfection" get in the way of good/fair/decent legislation that was the result of hard work, compromise and finding common ground.

She didn't know how to GET THINGS DONE... she didn't understand the art of compromise. All she could do was to be a roadblock to ACTUAL progress for reasons of "it's not good enough". That's not progressive. Why would anyone give her the label of being "progressive" when she only tried to interfere with progress??!!

I'm glad she's gone.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
40. The Justice Democrats PAC agenda, all or nothing: "Our organization is a hostile takeover of the Dem Party. Not
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:11 AM
Aug 2024

trying to be a part of it." A shame Bush couldn't break away from them and be more independent.

Agree with everything you say.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
42. Yes, indeed that is a shame *
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:21 AM
Aug 2024
>> A shame Bush couldn't break away from them and be more independent.
Yes, indeed that is a shame and it shows her biggest weakness: an inability to THINK FOR HERSELF!

She never stopped to analyze or make thoughtful considerations of the needs of her constituents or even of the nation. Instead, she let OTHERS do the "thinking" for her.

She knew that she owed her entire political existence to Justice Democrats and she let them lead her around on their leash. She did their bidding with no consideration to what a joke she had become, or how ridiculous she looked.

Has she given her concession speech yet? I'll be interested in hearing it. I'm sure it will be everything that I expect: no grace, but instead filled with anger, blame-placing, conspiracy-seeding. --- I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
54. Just saw a clip: "All they did was radicalize me, so now they need to be afraid."
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:58 PM
Aug 2024

Last edited Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)

"AIPAC, I'm coming to tear your kingdom down."

"And let me put all these corporations on notice: I'm coming after you too."

Sounds like quite a speech! I'll have to listen to the whole thing. Hope it ended with "I'll be back."

CincyDem

(7,392 posts)
8. And while we're on the topic...you good with Americans with an interest in Cuba...
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:01 AM
Aug 2024

…funding anti-Cuba candidates. Of how about Americans with an interest in growing ties with Turkey…you good with them raising money and spending it to lobby congress and invest in election issues?

I’m just trying to understand the scope of foreign governments that concerns you?

tornado34jh

(1,527 posts)
10. That is what they are
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:05 AM
Aug 2024

Let's face it, I think they influence politicians and public schools to silence dissent on Israel's policies. Also, the fact that we are giving Israel money when it is not our war to being with. We don't owe Israel anything, in fact, I think we rely on them too much. Netanyahu is just as culpable for what is going there, and anyone who think he isn't is being fucking naive. As I said on an earlier post, he can't blame everyone else for his own failings. I think Netanyahu is a double crosser. I think he supports Trump and to some extent Putin, but especially the former. Why else would people on his cabinet complain that they aren't being allowed to do what it takes to take all of Palestine? They have been giddy about wanting Trump back even since Biden took office in 2020.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
29. No. She didn't do the job that her constituents were happy with. Her defund the police nonsense was absurd
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 02:53 AM
Aug 2024

The lame excuse blaming it on Jewish money is the same thing Nina Turner tried to proclaim. Only problem was that Turner received more political contributions than Shontel Brown, and Brown still won in that district.

Cori Bush was not an effective Congressperson. She voted against the infrastructure package and other
legislation that would have helped her district.





 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
33. Yes. There is a pattern. Cori Bush voted against the infrastructure bill and other legislation that would have helped
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 03:19 AM
Aug 2024

her district. She was not an effective Congressperson.

She also had questionable handling of her campaign money.

tornado34jh

(1,527 posts)
3. You wonder why I have been critical of AIPAC and the Israeli government for buying candidates
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:51 PM
Aug 2024

The fact is, unless you toe the Netanyahu line, they will find candidates to primary anybody who dares to legitimately criticize Israel's policies. Matter of fact, I think the Israeli government is trying to influence public schools. There are actually Israeli-government backed groups in the US trying to stop any legitimate criticism of Israel. These pro-Israel groups as far as I am concerned, are pro-settler, pro-Netanyahu groups.

CincyDem

(7,392 posts)
16. Absolutely. And this article highlights activity by the San Francisco JCRC, funded by...
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:26 AM
Aug 2024

…a US citizen, as is his right. You do agree with free speech and all that don’t you?

I was hoping to learn if the Israeli government’s role in this.

CincyDem

(7,392 posts)
20. Did you forget the sarcasm tag in this?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:34 AM
Aug 2024

I only ask because it’s hard to tell without previous history. For many here, I know them well enough to intuit sarcasm or seriousness…but at first conversation, need an emoji (if it’s warranted) to understand your real point.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
21. I'm definitely being ironic...
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:36 AM
Aug 2024

... but I'm also channelling the sentiment that rioters, oops I mean "protestors" in front of our JCC clearly had. Because we are Jews, we obviously need to be protested (and later have our building seriously vandalized) because they don't like Netanyahu and obviously we are all the same and stuff.

TBF

(36,668 posts)
49. Wait until they find out Walz is quite pro-Israel and has said many of the same
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:14 AM
Aug 2024

things Shapiro has said in regard to Oct. 7 and the accompanying pro-Hamas "protesters". He's Lutheran, though, so it's ok. *sarcasm tag to be helpful

** 2nd disclaimer, just so there's no confusion, I really like both Shapiro & Walz. I knew very little about Walz before this week and the more I know, the more excited I am that we can win this election!

Response to BrianTheEVGuy (Reply #14)

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
26. Great point
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:09 AM
Aug 2024

Yep, we Jewish Americans should not participate in American elections nor donate to candidates.

We have absolutely no right to start PACs, especially if they go against failed far-left candidates with bad ideas who support terrorist organizations.

In fact, we should be banned from voting because Netanyahu.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
55. "Try to beat" your link to Popular Resistance, a Green Party propaganda outfit?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:06 PM
Aug 2024
Popular Resistance is a radical-left organization and information resource operated by Green Party activists that campaigns for anti-capitalist policies through nonviolent action. It is fiscally sponsored by the Alliance for Global Justice, a sponsorship organization for a number of left-of-center and radical-left advocacy groups.


Popular Resistance headed by this guy:

Kevin Zeese is a progressive political activist and Green Party operative. From 1980 to 1986, Zeese worked for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, which supports the legalization of recreational marijuana. In 2004, Zeese was the press secretary for Ralph Nader’s independent presidential campaign. In 2006, Zeese unsuccessfully ran for U.S. Senate from Maryland on the Green Party ticket.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/alliance-for-global-justice/

Popular Resistance is funded by Alliance for Global Justice.

AFGJ has been criticized for close alignment with authoritarian or semi-authoritarian left-wing regimes in Latin America, including the Venezuelan Bolivarian socialist regime of Nicolas Maduro, the Nicaraguan communist Sandinista regime of Daniel Ortega, and the Cuban communist regime of Raul Castro. Persons associated with AFGJ have even affirmed the propaganda of the gulag state of North Korea.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/alliance-for-global-justice/

Cha

(319,067 posts)
86. Mahalo, lapucelle.. 3rd Party Green Party
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:51 AM
Aug 2024

Propaganda Shit... No no No!

And just how "progressive" are these 3rd party Cut The Crap heads? What Progress have they made with their Gaslit Lies?



TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
11. Supporting Israel and supporting Netanyahu are not the same thing.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:09 AM
Aug 2024

Asserting that one predisposes the other is nonsense.

Plenty of Democrats supported the US government in myriad ways during Trump's administration. Does that mean that we all implicitly supported Trump? Nope.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
87. Yes, It's politics. Voters wanting change from the status quo establishment of incumbents.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 04:29 AM
Aug 2024

The shoe is on the other foot.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
88. Yeah, Bush was being too
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 04:37 AM
Aug 2024

Status quo... Time for a Switch! She did say in her concession speech that she is going to be coming after something.

moonshinegnomie

(4,019 posts)
22. she voted against the infrastructure bill
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:50 AM
Aug 2024

she voted against expanding the child tax credit. she is under investigation for misuse of campaign funds. that went a long way toward her losing

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
35. I remember a press event with Energy Secretary Granholm and Cori Bush in St. Louis
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 03:43 AM
Aug 2024

where a local woman told of how much she saved on her electric bill because of the infrastructure law. An immediate positive example of government helping people struggling to pay their bills.

Granholm thanked Rep. Bush for voting for it. Oops. Bush had to explain to reporters. Something about "fullness." All or nothing. The Justice Democrats PAC position.

pat_k

(13,372 posts)
27. What is sad is the "lesson" being taken from this.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:43 AM
Aug 2024

The tragic "take away" is this: If you want serve the American people in an elected office, you better not condemn the ongoing settlement and occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the immoral violation international law and intentional obstacle to a two state solution that it is. You'd better not voice support for BDS as a means to pressure Israel to meet its obligations under international law. If you do, AIPAC and it's affiliated superpac United Democracy Project, and other power brokers will invest as many millions as necessary to bring about your defeat.

For a minute there, it seemed like criticizing Israel might be losing its status as an absolutely verboten "third rail."

If any elected official who speaks up is to be taken off the board by such a powerful lobby, our only recourse is to build a more powerful network of citizen lobbyists.



Mysterian

(6,482 posts)
41. That's just your opinion
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:21 AM
Aug 2024

Many others believe Bush was an incompetent representative for her district.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
43. The lesson here is that if the constituents in you district elect you as a Democrat,
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:30 AM
Aug 2024

your job is to serve them by supporting Democratic legislation that makes their lives better.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
65. Cori was beholden to the Justice Democrats (an anti-Democratic party PAC) rather than to her constituents *
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 04:26 PM
Aug 2024

* and she was definitely not a friend of the Democratic party.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
76. Or maybe looking the other way as American Jewish people are abused by Palestinian protestors who often
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:46 PM
Aug 2024

carry pro-Hamas signs and lead a campaign to shit on Joe Biden by voting 'other' in the Presidential primary rather than address the concerns of her constituents. Wesley Bell will be better. Didn't Cori Bush receive money from AIPAC during her last election? But that was OK? And now it is wrong?

NickB79

(20,354 posts)
99. Settlement and occupation of ....Gaza?
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 05:03 PM
Aug 2024

Israel pulled out of Gaza almost 20 YEARS ago. They even dug up old Jewish graves to take their dead with them.

The returned it to the Palestinians, who proceeded to vote Hamas into power in a platform of "kill the Jews wherever they hide."

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
45. Another victory for AIPAC.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:46 AM
Aug 2024

If you are a member of Congress and you express any criticism of Israel you had better beware because they will be after you.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
46. Her incompetence had nothing to do with it, eh?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:24 AM
Aug 2024

She was truly in "over her head" and didn't know what she was doing. Her biggest claim-to-fame was simply standing in the way of ACTUAL progress (presumably because it wasn't perfect and she adhered to the Justice Democrats' philosophy of "all or nothing" and "let's destroy the Democratic party&quot therefore it's amazing to me that anyone would label her with the term "progressive" because she did absolutely nothing of note that could be considered PROGRESS.

She lost and deservedly so. Put the blame where it belongs.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
52. She lost in a Democratic district, because Democrats in her district didn't think she did a
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:50 PM
Aug 2024

good job. It is that simple.

She refused to condemn hamas and the October 7 attacks, which didn't help her situation, but more importantly she didn't vote for significant Democratic legislation that would help her constituents in her district, such as the infrastructure bill and childcare bill.

The only one she has to blame for her loss is Cori Bush.


totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
60. Well she obviously was pretty pissed.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:40 PM
Aug 2024

And I probably would be too if they had spent $19 million to defeat me.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
62. She defeated herself.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 02:33 PM
Aug 2024

Her record speaks for itself. Unfortunately it's very difficult to defeat an incumbent, so the money that came in up to even up the playing field.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
77. 19 million dollars was not spent to defeat Cori Bush.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:08 PM
Aug 2024

Where did the $19,000.000 figure come from?

Indirect Expenditures That Target This Candidate (Cori Bush)

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/cori-bush/other-data?cid=N00039373&cycle=2024

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
78. She specifically said in her concession speech that
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 07:22 PM
Aug 2024

$19 million has been spent to defeat her. That may have been an exaggeration but several news outlets indicated that she was out spent three to one.r.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
79. Yes, I know what Cori Bush said, and I also know what the record actually shows.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:25 PM
Aug 2024

Do you have links to the *several news outlets* that *indicated* that Cori Bush was outspent 3 to1? That doesn't seem accurate either.


https://www.opensecrets.org/outside-spending/by_candidate/2024?disp=C&type=H




totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
83. From HuffPost
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:34 PM
Aug 2024

"Super PACs supporting Bell outspent those supporting Bush by 0a more than 3-to-1 margin. Spending by pro-Bell groups included about $8.6 million from AIPAC’s United Democracy Project."


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cori-bush-loses-wesley-bell_n_66b2adbae4b09cb4a56b0d0d

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
90. You didn't actually follow the HuffPo link, did you?
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 08:19 AM
Aug 2024
I did. It lands on this page:



https://www.opensecrets.org/races/outside-spending?cycle=2024&id=MO01

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Why do you suppose that the HuffPo fabulist embedded a link to 2022 data that shows a one-to-one for and against outside spending margin? It seems pretty dishonest.






orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
47. Foreign influence, like Iran and the hostages
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:31 AM
Aug 2024

getting Reagan elected.

AIPAC always influences US politics to the right.

We're talking about promoting a far-right apartheid regime, hiding behind victimhood, as the right is so good at.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
58. Very concerning
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:21 PM
Aug 2024

There are times in life when the truth is especially difficult. AIPAC going in on the side of slaughtering thousands of innocent Palestinian children will not help Israel. Netanyahu is doing all he can to stay out of jail much like tRump. The extremist hate of Netanyahu and the far right in Israel is only making things worse. People need to be able to point this ugly truth out. Only when both the Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace, freedom and prosperity will this issue finally be solved. It's in Israel's best interests to not turn around and be guilty of what they've been fighting against. Ant-Semitism is wrong and so is slaughtering innocent Palestinian children. It's long overdue for AIPAC to take its blinders off and face this ugly truth.

Mysterian

(6,482 posts)
66. Maybe the Palestinians can get some leaders that don't constantly call for the total destruction of Israel
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 04:47 PM
Aug 2024

and don't launch terror attacks on kids at concerts.

Might be a good start to that utopia we all want.

 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
91. Netanyahu and Israeli far right killing innocent Palestinian children isn't the answer
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:27 PM
Aug 2024

Innocent Palestinian children had nothing to do with the Hamas attack. Netanyahu and the Israeli far right should be going after Hamas and NOT innocent Palestinian children. The TV pictures from Gaza are heartbreaking. People around the world are seeing these pictures. The more Palestinian children that Netanyahu and his far right extremists kill, the worse for Israel. There will never be peace in the Middle East so long as Netanyahu and the Israeli far right control Israel's government. I think more people in Israel are beginning to realize this. Netanyahu totally failed to protect Israel from attack by removing Israeli border guards from the area where Hamas attacked on October 7th and he allowed Hamas to construct the massive underground tunnel system that Hamas fighters are using to hide from Israeli forces. At the same time Netanyahu and the Israeli far right were also busy trying to take away the Israeli Supreme Court's authority to declare parliament laws unconstitutional so that they could establish a dictatorship and keep Netanyahu out of jail. If Netanyahu and the Israeli far right hadn't let their guard down there would not have been the terrible Hamas October 7th terrorist attack.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
95. Cori Bush said she didn't know whether Hamas is a terrorist group. That's disqualifying.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 08:12 PM
Aug 2024

And if the terrorist group Hamas had not gone on a 10 hour spree of butchery and rape there would not have been the "terrible Hamas October 7th terrorist attack".

Embattled Progressive Congresswoman Cori Bush’s Campaign Backtracks After She Refused to Call Hamas a Terrorist Group

https://www.mediaite.com/news/embattled-progressive-congresswoman-cori-bushs-campaign-backtracks-after-she-refused-to-call-hamas-a-terrorist-group/
 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
96. I agree that's an unacceptable comment.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:33 PM
Aug 2024

However, all Netanyahu has done is throw gasoline on the fire. Slaughtering thousands of innocent Palestinian children who had nothing to do with Hamas is not a solution.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
97. For Hamas, civilian deaths are a feature, not a bug.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:51 PM
Aug 2024

From a New Yorker magazine profile on Yahya Sinwar, leader of the military and political wing of Hamas.

In 1996, after a brief career in private practice, [Yuval Bitton] accepted an offer to work at the dental clinics of two prisons in the Negev. He found himself treating members of Hamas, Fatah, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, who had been imprisoned for various terror-related crimes. Sinwar was among them.

In the years to come, Bitton spent hundreds of hours talking with Sinwar, who seemed to have little interest in concealing his past or his intentions for the future.

When Dr. Bitton asked him whether achieving his goals was worth the lives of many innocent people, Israelis and Palestinians, Sinwar replied, “We are ready to sacrifice twenty thousand, thirty thousand, a hundred thousand.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/08/12/yahya-sinwar-profile-hamas-gaza-war-israel

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Hamas’s Sinwar said to laud high civilian death toll in Gaza as ‘necessary sacrifice

Wall Street Journal report details messages to interlocutors in which Gazan terror chief exalts Palestinian deaths as helping increase pressure on Israel

Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar has insisted that civilian bloodshed in Gaza is a necessary sacrifice that will lead to the liberation of Palestine, according to a report published late Monday, bolstering accusations that the terror group has intentionally put its people in harm’s way over the last eight months of devastating war in Gaza.

In dozens of messages sent over several months and acquired by The Wall Street Journal, Sinwar communicated to Hamas compatriots and mediating parties alike that he had no interest in pursuing a ceasefire with Israel, as he believed that the growing civilian death toll would serve to benefit Hamas more than a cessation of fighting would.

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One message said to have been sent by Sinwar to the Hamas leadership in Doha compared the civilian losses in Gaza to those seen in the Algerian War of Independence, saying simply that “these are necessary sacrifices.” In the messages sent by Sinwar throughout the war, according to the report, he railed against the possibility of halting fighting as part of a ceasefire agreement, counseling that more would be accomplished by continuing to allow Gaza to be bombarded.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamass-sinwar-said-to-laud-high-civilian-death-toll-in-gaza-as-necessary-sacrifice/
 

GoreWon2000

(1,461 posts)
98. Netanyahu a barrier to Mid East peace
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:58 PM
Aug 2024

It's time to realize that there will never be peace in the Middle East so long as Netanyahu and the far right control Israel's government. The hate on both sides must stop. Killing innocent children is never a solution for either side.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
100. Dead civilians is a feature of Sinwar's plan, and Cori Bush was unwilling to label Hamas "terrorists".
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 05:53 PM
Aug 2024

It was disqualifying.



kansasobama

(1,750 posts)
61. II think Squad has overdone its Gaza protest campaign
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 01:47 PM
Aug 2024

The whole thing has somehow lost its meaning. What are they saying? They are unhappy about Biden Gaza policy, they are going to vote Trump and hasten annihilation of innocent Gazans, not just Hamas? Do we want to strengthen Netanyahu's hands? I don't get the Tlaib group approach.

DJ Synikus Makisimus

(1,438 posts)
63. Nice party you got there, WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IT BREAK.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 03:02 PM
Aug 2024

Just saying. Consider what might be lost if the party keeps moving to the right. It won't happen this presidential election, imho, though it may happen in some places downballot. But in the future if the DSA and the even part of the progressives pull out of the coalition with the right (liberals), the Blues lose the majority in enough places to cause BIG problems.

Also, I don't think AIPAC really gives two shits about Israel. Maybe they give one shit. Maybe. They're billionaire oligarchs, at least as far as we can determine since they are a "dark money" PAC. Those bizarre entities don't disclose their donors (someone should pass a law, yes?), but some individual donors have proudly revealed themselves, often to portray themselves as "philanthropists" to less-lofty Jewish organizations. Billionaires tend to be united, regardless of any religious affiliation they pretend to have, in pursuit of that one thing they all want: MORE. What AIPAC have done historically (as opposed to what they say) is to target progressives and DSAers. Israel seems to be an excuse, at least to me. Your mileage may vary.

As for Rep. Bush, the U.S. Congress just lost someone with experience in something I don't than any Congressperson has had in the 20th or 21st centuries: she knows what it's like to be poor and homeless. No, she didn't follow the "Biden Agenda" (which seems to be a fluid or a gas, not a solid) in lockstep. From what I understand, she thought it didn't go far enough; that too much was compromised away in the interest of "problem solving," a euphemism for moving the agenda away from anything progressive and further toward the oligarchs' desires/demands. It was said by her opponents that she is under investigation for various things. Investigations are usually kept under wraps until charges are filed (which to my knowledge hasn't happened), so the fact that "we know" this seems problematic at its face. Could just be AIPAC propaganda, they're good at that, but we may never really know. Accusations are often reality in elections, and no one slings bullshit like the U.S. oligarchy.

What happened happened. Now there's probably going to be someone else who looks to be an out-of-the-mold cookie-cutter oligarch-lackey, though I hope to be surprised. We'll see.

Response to DJ Synikus Makisimus (Reply #63)

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
68. "We know" that Cori Bush is under investigation because Cori Bush told us.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 05:07 PM
Aug 2024

the day after House was notified that the Office of Sergeant at Arms has been served a grand jury subpoena issued by the Justice Department for documents.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5104371/grand-jury-subpoena-issued-documents-house-sergeant-arms

Justice Department issues subpoena over a House Democrat's use of federal funds for security

The House clerk publicly informed members of the request for records Monday, but the lawmaker's identity wasn't revealed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/justice-department-issues-subpoena-house-democrats-use-federal-funds-s-rcna136295
The Justice Department itself has neither confirmed nor denied.

Justice Department investigating Democratic Rep. Cori Bush over alleged misuse of campaign funds

The Justice Department is investigating whether Democratic Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri misused campaign funds for her personal security, the progressive lawmaker confirmed in a statement Tuesday.

Bush, a second-term lawmaker, denied any wrongdoing and said she is “fully cooperating” with federal prosecutors.

“As a rank-and-file member of Congress I am not entitled to personal protection by the House, and instead have used campaign funds as permissible to retain security services,” Bush said. “I have not used any federal tax dollars for personal security services.”

Her statement came a day after the Justice Department subpoenaed the office of the House Sergeant at Arms for related documents. The Justice Department declined to comment.

https://apnews.com/article/cori-bush-justice-department-congress-campaign-investigation-70beaae928bcc72b7ecbcdd207a7377d



Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
69. Oh, please. Spare us.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 05:33 PM
Aug 2024

Her only experience was in not knowing what to do; not knowing how to effectively represent her constituents; not knowing how to support the Democratic party and to make us stronger and united and more effective against the GOP; not understanding basic economics or how our tax system works (embarrassing! did you see the interview? I almost felt sorry for her.) This is the Democratic party, not the Socialist party. She was beholden to the Justice Democrats (whose open and clearly stated agenda is to burn-down the Democratic party) and she parroted their talking points and dutifully allowed them to lead her around on a leash. She wasn't "progressive" she was only interested in grandstanding. She was intellectually weak, ill informed, and could only speak in bumper-sticker slogans and sound-bite insults/threats. She really had no clear grasp on the issues and could not speak extemporaneously (ie: without a script) to demonstrate her understanding of complex issues. She was in over her head and she used anger and fist-shaking and thunderous threats to compensate for it. What she really needs is a podcast or a newsletter... she doesn't need to be a seat-warmer in the House.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
81. You think that the DSA is part of the Democratic Party coalition and that liberals are right wing?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:48 PM
Aug 2024

Good grief.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
82. I think even without AIPAC she was going to lose
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 09:50 PM
Aug 2024

She still says "Defund the Police." That's eww.

"I get to be here to do the work, so suck it up—and defunding the police has to happen. We need to defund the police."
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