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BumRushDaShow

(169,756 posts)
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 08:06 AM Aug 2024

Trump says presidential civilian award is better than top military honor whose recipients are 'dead' or 'hit' by bullets

Source: NBC News

Aug. 16, 2024, 12:05 AM EDT


BEDMINSTER, N.J. — Former President Donald Trump lauded a wealthy donor on whom he bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom as having gotten the "better" award compared to the top military honor, the Medal of Honor, because those recipients are often deceased or injured.

Speaking at a campaign event intended to discuss antisemitism, Trump was introduced by Miriam Adelson, a wealthy Republican donor and widow of Sheldon Adelson, who pumped millions of dollars of his own money into electing Republican candidates. He died in 2021. “I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom," Trump said at his New Jersey resort.

"That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian. It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor," Trump continued, referring to the highest military honor bestowed for valor in combat. The Medal of Honor is often mistakenly called the Congressional Medal of Honor.

"But civilian version, it’s actually much better because everyone [who] gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead," Trump concluded. “She gets it, and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal, but she got the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and she got it for — and that’s through committees and everything else.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-presidential-civilian-award-better-top-military-honor-whose-rcna166855



Full headline: Trump says presidential civilian award is 'better' than top military honor whose recipients are 'dead' or 'hit' by bullets
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Trump says presidential civilian award is better than top military honor whose recipients are 'dead' or 'hit' by bullets (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2024 OP
Is the gop TRYING to lose the military vote? berniesandersmittens Aug 2024 #1
Seems like it. But not surprising from those who just don't get it. paleotn Aug 2024 #24
He is a little bit obsessed with the idea of being hit by bullets. PTSD? Walleye Aug 2024 #2
I hope so. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #3
Yes, nothing he suffers is as bad as what he deserves so far Walleye Aug 2024 #7
Very true statement! paleotn Aug 2024 #25
He prefers vets who weren't POWs or disabled by war (bad for pictures). . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2024 #5
I hope this catches on... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #4
So the Adelsons got the Presidential Medal of Freedom because they got rich from gambling and .... Botany Aug 2024 #6
Fuck you liberalgunwilltravel Aug 2024 #8
Thank you for your service Botany Aug 2024 #26
It isn't a contest Donald. It isn't a game show you tiny dick head. twodogsbarking Aug 2024 #9
The Real Reason TSF said this: no_hypocrisy Aug 2024 #10
And she is Sheldon's widow BumRushDaShow Aug 2024 #11
There is no bottom to the depths he will sink to. Timeflyer Aug 2024 #12
"She got it for ...." krkaufman Aug 2024 #13
Yeah, that was close! Iggo Aug 2024 #22
Why don't you try that in front of Mike Murphy's family, Motherfucker? Aviation Pro Aug 2024 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Aug 2024 #15
He was talking about when he gave Miriam Adelson the MOF back in 2018 progree Aug 2024 #17
Thank you. I read the piece a bit more carefully and saw that. niyad Aug 2024 #30
Dump is a hate machine, eating money expelling hate. Clouds Passing Aug 2024 #16
6 times Trump insulted US veterans and service members progree Aug 2024 #18
Pedo Trump is so deep Farmer-Rick Aug 2024 #19
A damn shame he's still walking free. Hotler Aug 2024 #20
He honestly doesn't understand the concept of sacrifice. Iggo Aug 2024 #21
He's incapable of understanding it. paleotn Aug 2024 #28
Wow. Lunabell Aug 2024 #23
When you think they can't go any lower. That it's simply not humanly possible to go any lower. paleotn Aug 2024 #27
TSF indeed....he is absolutely a sick fuck democratsruletheday Aug 2024 #29
The "stable genius" is a horse's ass Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2024 #31
Wonder how fast he'd shut up with this stupid claim Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #32
... ck4829 Aug 2024 #33

berniesandersmittens

(13,197 posts)
1. Is the gop TRYING to lose the military vote?
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 08:10 AM
Aug 2024

Vance attacking Walz record and now this shit from TFG.

A family member of mine, retired Army 30 years and a conservative Christian is absolutely appaled by Vance's attacks. This one by trump will seal the deal. They will not be voting gop this year. Can't promise a vote for Kamala, but at least it's one vote lost for Maga.

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
24. Seems like it. But not surprising from those who just don't get it.
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 11:00 AM
Aug 2024

He and Vance (whatever the hell his real name is) are parasites sucking off the freedom defended and preserved by those who served in uniform. And have the gall to compare giving millions of dollars to fascists as more worthy than someone making the ultimate sacrifice for their compadres and the country. I'm appalled and it would make me want to do violent things to both of them, if I didn't already want to do violent things to both of them.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
6. So the Adelsons got the Presidential Medal of Freedom because they got rich from gambling and ....
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 08:32 AM
Aug 2024

…. prostitution and gave some of it to Trump and the a Republicans and that made them better
than:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Basilone





liberalgunwilltravel

(1,212 posts)
8. Fuck you
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 08:44 AM
Aug 2024

This veteran, and hopefully millions more hate your fucking cowardly guts. And if you and your MAGAts try and steal the upcoming election, your ass is grass! Mother fucker!

Sorry, this just really, really pisses me off.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
26. Thank you for your service
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 11:14 AM
Aug 2024

As I was cleaning out some stuff from my parent’s house because my mom
had to move @ 92 to retirement community and I came across a picture of
her dad (he passed in 1980) in his WW I uniform and his gear. I had never
known about this chapter of his life nor did I EVER HEAR him speak of it. I asked
my mom about the picture and she got quiet and then said that in her family’s
house his service and what he did was never spoken about.

How any vet, the families of vets, service member or real American could vote
for Trump is galling. And to compare the Adelsons who made their money from
gambling, prostitution, drugs, money laundering, and other illegal activities to
Congressional Medal of Honor winners is beyond me. .

no_hypocrisy

(54,906 posts)
10. The Real Reason TSF said this:
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 08:51 AM
Aug 2024

Miriam Adelson, recipient of the MOF in 2018, recently donated a huge chunk of money to a Republican PAC, not controlled by TSF and MAGA.

In a fit of rage, TSF caused several inflammatory texts to be sent to Adelson.

And in buyers’ remorse, it occurred to the campaign that action was biting the hand that feeds it.

So, this BS of the MOF is much better than the MOH is TSF’s attempt to mend bridges without apologizing to Adelson.

krkaufman

(13,961 posts)
13. "She got it for ...."
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 09:13 AM
Aug 2024

Well, at least he has enough sense to not finish that sentence honestly.

Aviation Pro

(15,578 posts)
14. Why don't you try that in front of Mike Murphy's family, Motherfucker?
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 09:19 AM
Aug 2024

Marcus Luttrell would have a few words with you as he's screwing your fat, fucking head into the ground, you five-deferment fuckwad of a fucking poser.



Lt. (SEAL) Michael Murphy: For actions during Operation Red Wings on Jun. 28, 2005
On June 28, 2005, deep behind enemy lines east of Asadabad in the Hindu Kush of Afghanistan, a very committed four-man Navy SEAL team was conducting a reconnaissance mission at the unforgiving altitude of approximately 10,000 feet. The SEALs, Lt. Michael Murphy, Gunner’s Mate 2nd Class (SEAL) Danny Dietz, Sonar Technician 2nd Class (SEAL) Matthew Axelson and Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class (SEAL) Marcus Luttrell had a vital task. The four SEALs were scouting Ahmad Shah – a terrorist in his mid-30s who grew up in the adjacent mountains just to the south.

Under the assumed name Muhammad Ismail, Shah led a guerrilla group known to locals as the "Mountain Tigers" that had aligned with the Taliban and other militant groups close to the Pakistani border. The SEAL mission was compromised when the team was spotted by local nationals, who presumably reported its presence and location to the Taliban.

A fierce firefight erupted between the four SEALs and a much larger enemy force of more than 50 anti-coalition militia. The enemy had the SEALs outnumbered. They also had terrain advantage. They launched a well-organized, three-sided attack on the SEALs. The firefight continued relentlessly as the overwhelming militia forced the team deeper into a ravine.

Trying to reach safety, the four men, now each wounded, began bounding down the mountain's steep sides, making leaps of 20 to 30 feet. Approximately 45 minutes into the fight, pinned down by overwhelming forces, Dietz, the communications petty officer, sought open air to place a distress call back to the base. But before he could, he was shot in the hand, the blast shattering his thumb.

Despite the intensity of the firefight and suffering grave gunshot wounds himself, Murphy is credited with risking his own life to save the lives of his teammates. Murphy, intent on making contact with headquarters, but realizing this would be impossible in the extreme terrain where they were fighting, unhesitatingly and with complete disregard for his own life moved into the open, where he could gain a better position to transmit a call to get help for his men.

Moving away from the protective mountain rocks, he knowingly exposed himself to increased enemy gunfire. This deliberate and heroic act deprived him of cover and made him a target for the enemy. While continuing to be fired upon, Murphy made contact with the SOF Quick Reaction Force at Bagram Air Base and requested assistance. He calmly provided his unit’s location and the size of the enemy force while requesting immediate support for his team. At one point he was shot in the back causing him to drop the transmitter. Murphy picked it back up, completed the call and continued firing at the enemy who was closing in. Severely wounded, Lt. Murphy returned to his cover position with his men and continued the battle.

An MH-47 Chinook helicopter, with eight additional SEALs and eight Army Night Stalkers aboard, was sent is as part of an extraction mission to pull out the four embattled SEALs. The MH-47 was escorted by heavily-armored, Army attack helicopters. Entering a hot combat zone, attack helicopters are used initially to neutralize the enemy and make it safer for the lightly-armored, personnel-transport helicopter to insert.

The heavy weight of the attack helicopters slowed the formation’s advance prompting the MH-47 to outrun their armored escort. They knew the tremendous risk going into an active enemy area in daylight, without their attack support, and without the cover of night. Risk would, of course, be minimized if they put the helicopter down in a safe zone. But knowing that their warrior brothers were shot, surrounded and severely wounded, the rescue team opted to directly enter the oncoming battle in hopes of landing on brutally hazardous terrain.

As the Chinook raced to the battle, a rocket-propelled grenade struck the helicopter, killing all 16 men aboard.

On the ground and nearly out of ammunition, the four SEALs, Murphy, Luttrell, Dietz and Axelson, continued the fight. By the end of the two-hour gunfight that careened through the hills and over cliffs, Murphy, Axelson and Dietz had been killed. An estimated 35 Taliban were also dead.

The fourth SEAL, Luttrell, was blasted over a ridge by a rocket propelled grenade and was knocked unconscious. Regaining consciousness some time later, Luttrell managed to escape – badly injured – and slowly crawl away down the side of a cliff. Dehydrated, with a bullet wound to one leg, shrapnel embedded in both legs, three vertebrae cracked; the situation for Luttrell was grim. Rescue helicopters were sent in, but he was too weak and injured to make contact. Traveling seven miles on foot he evaded the enemy for nearly a day. Gratefully, local nationals came to his aid, carrying him to a nearby village where they kept him for three days. The Taliban came to the village several times demanding that Luttrell be turned over to them. The villagers refused. One of the villagers made his way to a Marine outpost with a note from Luttrell, and U.S. forces launched a massive operation that rescued him from enemy territory on July 2.

By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit and inspirational devotion to his men in the face of certain death, Lt. Murphy was able to relay the position of his unit, an act that ultimately led to the rescue of Luttrell and the recovery of the remains of the three who were killed in the battle.

This was the worst single-day U.S. Forces death toll since Operation Enduring Freedom began nearly six years ago. It was the single largest loss of life for Naval Special Warfare since World War II.

The Naval Special Warfare (NSW) community will forever remember June 28, 2005 and the heroic efforts and sacrifices of our special operators. We hold with reverence the ultimate sacrifice that they made while engaged in that fierce fire fight on the front lines of the global war on terrorism (GWOT).

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

progree

(12,977 posts)
17. He was talking about when he gave Miriam Adelson the MOF back in 2018
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 09:34 AM
Aug 2024

From the article:

Then-President Donald Trump, presents Miriam Adelson, philanthropist and wife of billionaire Sheldon Adelson, with the Presidential Medal of Freedom during a ceremony in the East Room of the White House, on Nov. 16, 2018.


Complete with a sickening picture.

progree

(12,977 posts)
18. 6 times Trump insulted US veterans and service members
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 09:38 AM
Aug 2024

Last edited Fri Aug 16, 2024, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Cardinal & Pine, 6/25/24,
https://cardinalpine.com/2024/06/25/times-trump-insulted-veterans/

Here are my notes on the article:

# Re John McCain in 2015: “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

# Dissing a Gold Star family - Khizr and Gahala Khan—Pakistani Americans whose son, Humayan, died during the Iraq war in 2004—called out Trump for his public attacks on Muslims and implied that Trump had never read the Constitution. In a subsequent interview with ABC News, Trump suggested that Khizr Khan made the entire speech because his wife “wasn’t allowed” to speak, drawing on implications that all Muslim women are subservient to their spouses. In reality, the Khans said in a followup interview, Gahala Khan chose to remain silent because speaking about her son’s death was too painful. Trump also told ABC News that Humayan Khan “would be alive today” if he’d been president, also suggesting that the US never would have entered a war with Iraq under his leadership.

# 2017: Expressed distaste for wounded veterans -- The then-president was reportedly inspired by a 2017 military parade he witnessed during a visit to France and requested that a similarly opulent parade be planned for the 4th of July in Washington, DC. The catch? Trump asked that wounded veterans be excluded from the parade, telling Kelly that France’s parade had featured vets with visible injuries or in wheelchairs.
“Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade,” Trump reportedly requested. “This doesn’t look good for me.”

# 2018: Called WWI casualties “losers” and “suckers” ... stating that he didn’t want to visit the cemetery because it was “filled with losers.” (Aisne-Marne American Military Cemetery outside Paris). Trump reportedly doubled down on his offensive comments later during the same trip to France, calling 1,800 US Marines “suckers” for being killed during the battle of Belleau Wood in 1918.

# 2018: Dismissed Navy SEAL Commander Adm. William McRaven -- The former president even suggested that McRaven took too much time in his efforts to capture bin Laden.

# 2020: Downplayed troops’ injuries following missile attack in Iraq - Eight US soldiers reportedly sought treatment for concussions or concussion-like symptoms in the aftermath of the attack on Ain al-Asad, while three others experienced psychological symptoms that led them to seek behavioral health treatment. Trump initially told the media that there were no US injuries. When questioned during a news conference about Pentagon reports of injured troops, he backtracked and downplayed the soldiers’ conditions, saying they were “not very serious.” “I heard that they had headaches and a couple of other things,” Trump continued. “I’ve seen people with no legs and no arms… I can consider them to be really bad injuries.”

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
19. Pedo Trump is so deep
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 09:39 AM
Aug 2024

Last edited Fri Aug 16, 2024, 10:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Into his dementia, he has lost the ability to express rational thoughts. This rambling unfinished comment he made is unbelievable. It has no basis in reality.

He couldn't find a realistic comparison that doesn't insult disabled vets?

And the article makes it sound like he made full and complete sentences while expressing this stupidity. But it was just a string of sentence fragments strung together, with non sequiturs thrown in now and then.

Iggo

(49,927 posts)
21. He honestly doesn't understand the concept of sacrifice.
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 10:18 AM
Aug 2024

There’s an interview out there* somewhere where they ask him straight up “What have you sacrificed?” He attempted to vomit some words at it, but you could tell he’s never even considered it.

* This was after that Gold Star dad stood up at the convention and said, ”You’ve sacrificed nothing!”

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
28. He's incapable of understanding it.
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 11:19 AM
Aug 2024

Pure, unadulterated psychopath. An American political party hitched their wagon to one of the most damaged and fucked up individuals in human history.

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
27. When you think they can't go any lower. That it's simply not humanly possible to go any lower.
Fri Aug 16, 2024, 11:15 AM
Aug 2024

They surprise you. There is no punishment too horrible that could be meted out to that fucking bastard. Nothing.

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