Multiple active shooters reported near JBSA-Lackland, base officials say

[suegeo]

Source: KSAT local news

Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland officials said its security officers returned fire on active shooters who attempted to gain entry through the main gate at the JBSA-Chapman Training Annex.

The incident happened around 4:30 a.m. Saturday. San Antonio police officers also arrived at the scene for assistance purposes.

The base said the active shooters are not known to have any military affiliation.

Read more: https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/08/17/multiple-active-shooters-reported-near-jbsa-lackland-base-officials-say/

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WTF? RW militias?
No motive is known yet so wait and see.

[brewens]

1. It's not my AntiFa cell in case anyone was wondering. n/t

[PedroXimenez]

2. ha ha

Antifa making their move!!!

[brewens]

3. We know people on the right are desperately hoping its lefties of some sort attacking. Just like always but they

are always wrong.

[groundloop]

15. Who's this Aunt Tifa everyone keeps talking about?

[rubbersole]

20. Must be on the in-laws side...

[TommyT139]

29. Short for "Tiffany" maybe? nt

[fernlady]

4. Who in their right mind would attack a military base?? N/T

[yonder]

17. Agree. Death wish, right?

[Crowman2009]

27. Yeah, suicide by MPs.

That's the only explanation I can think of.

[GreenWave]

40. Welcome!

[Think. Again.]

44. The "right mind" of rightwingers is hard to figure out.

[Dulcinea]

50. My question too!

WhoTF would do that?

[Zoomie1986]

61. Someone with more guns than sense

Some Q-Anon-addled MAGA fits the bill.

[orthoclad]

69. A distraction while they were busy stealing weapons?

[orthoclad]

70. People training for guerilla warfare.

[mucholderthandirt]

74. Checking response time and level of action.

I did basic training at Lackland. Back then security wasn't nearly what we'd see today. Someone comes shooting, they're getting their asses handed back to them, no doubts. But, it's good to know what and when is coming under certain circumstances, so a little flyby is needed.

Some idiot MAGAs are trying to see how hard it's going to be to get on base, in case Duh Leader doesn't win. I wouldn't doubt this doesn't happen somewhere else, too. Possibly at some government offices, FBI offices, and so on.

[orthoclad]

75. Keep an eye on power stations

Transformers are nice big targets. They've been hit before.

[LudwigPastorius]

5. Approximately 7 1/2 hours later, and no further details?

It is not yet known what led up to base security officers firing at the shooters or how many shooters attempted entry to the training annex gate.

Well, somebody knows, they're just not sharing.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

6. The terror indicators have been at "pre-9/11" levels for months

I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t an organized paramilitary terrorist attack. The question is simply who it was and what their cause is.

[stopdiggin]

8. 'terror' attacks don't generally target military

that kind of goes against definition - and the playbook.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

9. Sure they do

Whether a target is military or civilian matters less than what the intent is, especially if the targeted military institution is all-volunteer (as the US military is).

The intent of terrorism is simply to create and sustain a climate of fear.

[stopdiggin]

12. it is NOT the general MO

by definition attacking a military target is viewed differently and accorded different motivation than attacks against non-military (civilian, infrastructure, political, etc.)

[BrianTheEVGuy]

13. Viewed differently by whom? NT

[stopdiggin]

56. Just about everyone

Like in established global opinion - standards and codes? And if you can’t see an appreciable difference between attacking military targets, and the slaughter of civilians (to induce terror) - I think that would make you rather the outlier and exception …

[BrianTheEVGuy]

72. So in other words, your personal opinion. NT

[stopdiggin]

73. and whose opinion more closely matches the the rest of the world

(on balance) - than some (as here noted) others.

Peace, brother. But I don't think anything profitable is being gained here ...

[orthoclad]

71. More like guerilla training

See also today's post on Armed and Underground
https://democraticunderground.com/1016383814#post1

[wnylib]

16. I have a few guesses about who was behind this.

They are only guesses, based on who might have motivation.

One possibility is a RW militia trying to get weapons, which does not seem probable to me because they have members who are in the military who steal material for them. But, they might have been doing a trial run to see what they can do against a military base in case of an armed coup attempt.

Another possibility is a pro Palestinian group staging a dramatic protest against the US military. But they usually identify themselves during their demonstrations in order to maximize attention to their cause.

Other than those two groups, I'm not sure who else would be motivated to attack a US military base.

[FirefighterJo]

28. False flag operation?

Like Gibbs says... there is no such thing as coincidence. And given the way Beavis and Butthead have been butting heads with the military.

[wnylib]

34. A false flag operation would name a group

that is supposedly responsible, wouldn't it?

[FirefighterJo]

51. My understanding was

That the attack only happened just yet so too soon for the next phase?

[calimary]

37. Seems to me you ALWAYS have to consider who benefits.

And what the motivation likely is.

[SheltieLover]

53. At the root of those is...

pootin. thrives on chaos. here, not so much in russia.

[wnylib]

55. Quite possibly. He does like to create chaos. I wonder why he would choose a military base

[SheltieLover]

64. To try to shame the United States, of course.

Think about the ridiculous, outlandish ways dump behaves publicly, attacking our beloved institutions, our military, etc., and remember him on that stage in Helsinki with pootin? I recall very well and my blood pressure goes through the roof the way he deferred to that shitbag.

I honestly believe a large part of dump's agenda is to embarrass the United States. You ask why. I see the reason as that pootin (and China) have been quite vocal about wanting to be "equal to" the United States on the world stage. They are very jealous. Of our economy, our educational instututions (of course another target of the govt of pootin here in the States), our medical system, flawed as it is, it's a hell of a lot better than whatever nightmares they call healthcare in ruskie land, I'm sure! Not to mention our engineering, science, space programs, the list could go on virtually forever.

JMO, of course, but it seems pretty clear to me.

[orthoclad]

76. Much more likely our home-grown

militias, like this one:
https://democraticunderground.com/1016383814
Armed and Underground: Inside the Turbulent, Secret World of an American Militia

These groups have been around for decades.

[LeftInTX]

66. It was street gangs with no motive.

They run all over the place over there.
Apparently it's part of their gang initiation.

I had an encounter with them a few months ago. They darted out of an apartment complex and scaled an eight foot iron rail fence and ran as fast as gazelles. Lots of drugs in the area. We moved away from that part of town in 1994. Didn't want our kids going to school over there. My husband was a principal over there until he retired. It's a rough part of town.

[wnylib]

67. Your answer makes more sense than anything I could think of.

[LeftInTX]

52. It was gangs. They're real bad over there.

Take pot shots at the gate as part of initiation. I've even had gang encounters over there.

[stopdiggin]

7. this sounds - - absurdly ludicrous - - a deranged level of stupid

I'll wait for more news.
But this level of moronic - can't fit into any sort of plausible agenda or objective. You attack the U.S. military? At one of their guard posts? Okie dokie!

[Think. Again.]

45. I agree, definitely rightwingers.

[dlk]

10. Practice for the November election?

I’m afraid those responsible for sowing division, or spreading it via the media/internet will have blood on their hands.

[SARose]

11. No injuries reported following separate shootings near JBSA-Lackland training annex entry gate, SAPD says

SAN ANTONIO – Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland officials said its security officers returned fire on shooters who attempted to gain entry through the main gate at the JBSA-Chapman Training Annex.

Air Force security officers working at the entry gate located at Ray Ellison Boulevard and Medina Base Road told police they also heard several shots in addition to the shots that were fired at them.

Snip

Around 4:30 a.m., according to base officials, a vehicle stopped on Medina Base Road located east of the JBSA-Chapman Training Annex gate.

For the second time, shots were fired at Air Force security officers, police said. The security officers then returned fire on the suspects’ vehicle.

Snip

More

[RexLipton]

14. A refresher for anyone who needs it:

White Shooter = Lone Wolf

Non-White Shooter = Terrorist

[Sky Jewels]

18. Also, white shooters need gentle arrests and mental health care

Non-white shooters need to be taken out on site.

[Think. Again.]

46. Was it burger king or mcdonalds the cops took kyle rittenhouse to?, I forget...

[dchill]

19. "...off-base shooting from a passing vehicle...'

“It was an off-base shooting from a passing vehicle that fired shots towards the gate, prompting our security forces to respond,” base spokesperson Stefanie Antosh said in a statement. “There is no threat to the installation. We had no injuries, no fatalities.” - ABCNews

https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/shooting-reported-joint-base-san-antonio-lackland-guards-112917578?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17239171819848&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FUS%2FwireStory%2Fshooting-reported-joint-base-san-antonio-lackland-guards-112917578

[ananda]

22. So they were just crazy hooped up joy shooters then.

So. Nothing to see there,

Just move on.

[barbtries]

25. oh, a drive by

and they shot back? at what? what?

[LeftInTX]

68. Gangs. They're crazy out there. They even have a haircut named after them.

Lots of gangs and drugs. Lots of violent type crime too.
A place you don't want to raise your kids.

[4lbs]

21. Ft. Hood in 2009 and San Bernardino in 2015 were terrorist multiple shootings

on military bases

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting

On November 5, 2009, a mass shooting took place at Fort Hood (now Fort Cavazos), near Killeen, Texas. Nidal Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others. It was the deadliest mass shooting on an American military base and the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States since the September 11 attacks until it was surpassed by the San Bernardino attack in 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack

On December 2, 2015, a terrorist attack, consisting of a mass shooting and an attempted bombing, occurred at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, United States. The perpetrators, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, a married couple living in the city of Redlands, targeted a San Bernardino County Department of Public Health training event and Christmas party of about 80 employees in a rented banquet room. Fourteen people were killed and 22 others were seriously injured. Farook was an American born citizen of Pakistani descent, who worked as a health department employee. Malik was a Pakistani-born green card holder. After the shooting, the couple fled in a rented Ford Expedition SUV. Four hours later, police pursued their vehicle and killed them in a shootout, which also left two officers injured.

[Hekate]

33. TYVM for the walk down memory lane. We need the history reminder every so often.

[calimary]

39. YES we do.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

23. Not good.

Spent a week there in 2018. Not easy to get into.

[Clouds Passing]

26. Republicans, because they hate our democratic government

[Crowman2009]

30. You can thank that a**hole Greg Abbot for welcoming more trigger happy nutbags into Texas.

[LeftInTX]

48. It was gang related. The gangs over there are crazy.

They're cartel "wannabes".

[Crowman2009]

57. Even so, which governor allowed them unhindered access to purchase guns?

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

31. I betcha all bases are now on alert, with a Walker or other armoured vehicle by the gate

THe military doesn't mess around with gate incursions

[Srkdqltr]

32. Drunk, high and/or stupid.

[Hekate]

38. Proud Boys, Boogaloo, &Oath Keepers come to mind. As do defenders of Palestine waving Hamas& Hezbollah flags

Last edited Sat Aug 17, 2024, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

All practicing up for the DNC next week and the election in November.


Edited to add

[LeftInTX]

49. It was gangs. These are gangs where kids join at age 13.

The area is dangerous with gangs.
I had an encounter in March.

Apparently firing at the gate is a gang initiation.

[Hekate]

60. My gods. I was being half-sarcastic.

[JoseBalow]

63. That's no way to go through life

[brush]

35. WTF is right. Could this be a training run, practicing for when trump loses?

I mean multiple, active shooters? Something is definitely up. Could be trying out a diversion operation for an attack somewhere else.

Investigations are in order to find out who/what is behind this.

[reACTIONary]

36. Some locals say gang bangers....

Happens often there. Gang initiations in the area involve them taking pot shots at SECFO apparently

yep, Gate 1 has had shots their way for decades.

This is from FB comments, so not reliable source.

[LeftInTX]

47. Gangs were my second thought. The area is full of gangs.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/lifestyle/article/marbach-road-far-westside-17696968.php

They even have a "gang hair cut" named after a nearby road: "The Marbach Haircut".

One election night, I was trying to put signs up at a library over there. It was around 1 am and I couldn't get the signs in and I was spending alot of time at the site. All of a sudden, three guys com running out of the nearby apartment complex. They quickly scale an eight foot fence and off they run up Military highway and disappear into the night. They were running super fast. It was the weirdest thing. It was scary too, because they appeared to come from nowhere. I gave up on my signs because I did not feel safe. it's one of the roughest areas in San Antonio.

[reACTIONary]

58. Had to Google it...

... to get a picture. It is, indeed, quite 'distinctive'.

[slightlv]

65. Damn..

I used to live there... over on Andros street, off military highway. We were all military on that street. So sad to hear it's deteriorated like that. I have fond memories of the area. We used to walk down to a small strip mall on marbach road all the time. I was stationed permanent party at Lackland. My daughter was born at Wilford Hall hospital.

The base used to be surrounded by Holly bushes. I'm assuming they upgraded security fencing since 911. Only question I consistently got wrong on the training exams. I refused to call anything ringed by Holly bushes secure... and they couldn't make me say it!

[Oneironaut]

41. More than likely it'll just be one person who is mentally ill.

[regnaD kciN]

42. Antifa, obviously...

[muriel_volestrangler]

43. I wish the media wouldn't say "active" for something that stopped 6 hours earlier

It's quite misleading.

[mn9driver]

59. Might be a gang thing, but

There was an attack on NAS Corpus Christi in 2020 that was apparently motivated by Islamic extremism. And there was a mass shooting in a classroom building at NAS Pensacola in 2019, also motivated by Islamic extremism.

I think this is unlikely to be a homegrown right wing event.

[LeftInTX]

77. They made arrests. You will know them by their hair!

Teens arrested, charged in shootings outside Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland
https://www.expressnews.com/news/article/jbsa-lackland-shooting-arrests-san-antonio-19742448.php