Conservatives expect Johnson will embrace proof-of-citizenship voting in anti-shutdown measure

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: The Hill

09/03/24 4:07 PM ET


Hard-line conservatives expect Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) will embrace their favored tactic by bringing a stopgap bill to the House floor next week that includes a proof-of-citizenship voting bill and would extend government funding into 2025. Such a move would not only grant a win to the House GOP’s conservative wing, but would tee up a showdown with the Democratic-controlled Senate and White House, which both object to the voting bill. Congress faces a Sept. 30 deadline to prevent a shutdown.

Johnson’s office has not confirmed the funding plan, but Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) — a key member of the House Freedom Caucus who has been in discussions with leadership as he advocates for the strategy — is publicly expressing confidence about the next step.

“Mike Johnson appears ready and willing to do it, and that’s where we currently sit,” Roy said in an appearance Tuesday on the “War Room” podcast. “When we get back next week, I believe that Mike Johnson will put on the floor a continuing resolution into 2025,” Roy added.

The Freedom Caucus took an official position in August in support of attaching the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act, a bill led by Roy to require proof of citizenship to register to vote, to a continuing resolution (CR) that extends into 2025.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4860441-hard-line-conservatives-vote-bill/

[cstanleytech]

1. The Republicans are clearly trying to destroy our democracy.

[slightlv]

2. This is major if they institute it now.

Everyone will have to reregister with proof of citizenship... birth certificates? Many won't be able to find them, or get replacements in time to vote. We're gonna have to act as tho he has already stolen the election and cause one hell of a fuss, or this will be his main way of cheating.

It's already against the law for a noncitizen to vote. This is just to disenfranchise millions of voters. There is no rampant voter or election fraud. Do we let one man call the shots on voting now?

I know he's screaming shut down the government if this doesn't pass. I say shut it down. To save democracy this would be the first bitter pill to take, and then arrest him for darned election interference!

[BumRushDaShow]

5. It would be DOA in the Senate

regardless of their circus sideshow. It's election theatrics and their swing district members better take note that we're coming after them.

[slightlv]

15. Oh, I agree with you...

BUT this is what *rump is screaming about... shutting down the government if it doesn't pass, and blaming it on the Democrats' "conspiracy" to steal the election... THAT is not beneath him, by any means. But I sincerely think it'd backfire as bad, or worse, than any of the other things he's been throwing against the wall lately.

I do worry, somewhat, tho. I tried to get a Real ID last time I got my drivers' license renewed. Because I was married and divorced and remarried, the paper trail was intense and I couldn't finish it. I've voted every year in every election since I turned 18 in 1974. I've held secret/TS clearances with the DoD in my adult years. But none of that counted without that final marriage license. Once I DID find it, I'm wondering if they'll accept it. It was what was signed by the preacher and witnesses and registered with the County, but it's such a fancy looking document, I don't know if they'll take it.

I almost had an issue with my birth certificate. At first they weren't going to accept it because it's a two-parter. My mom put her step father's last name as her maiden name (he'd never adopted her), instead of her "real" maiden name. She had to go back a few weeks later and file an amendment. THAT one document almost stopped me at the very start of the process!

This is what I meant, tho... women are going to have one hell of a time in many, many cases getting a Real ID in a lot of places. I know my blood pressure and adrenaline level was spiking early on in the process at the many intrusive documents they were demanding from me, a woman... and not from the man at the next booth. The processes and documents may differ as far as "absolutely must have" from state to state, but in some states I can see women being stripped of the right to vote because of this dumb law. Of course, in most respects, I consider Kansas to be one of the most backward. When we moved up here, they wanted me to get a power of attorney from my husband to even get a license plate on our SHARED car, which had SHARED insurance! That one, I let my adrenaline spike and my mouth spoke and I ended up walking out WITH a license plate... without a POA given to the chauvinists. When I told my husband, he nearly died laughing. He knew what I was like when he married me!

[BumRushDaShow]

21. "BUT this is what *rump is screaming about... shutting down the government if it doesn't pass"

After 30+ years as a federal worker (now retired the past 7 years), it's something that happens every year. Most times there was a C.R. (or multiple ones), but there were a couple times that the shutdowns actually occurred. Notably, the career-ending one that Newt Gingrich did in the '90s, where my multi-agency building was completely empty except for 3 agencies (including mine) that had fortunately been funded, the "Green Eggs and Ham nonsense" one in 2013, where I sat home for 3 weeks, not permitted to open my work laptop, and then 45's extended shutdown (which did ultimately become a career-ender) in 2018 - 2019 (luckily I was out of there before that).

I think that Turtle is going to put some major pressure on Johnson to cut the crap and pass "clean" C.R.s.

With respect to the RealID - I did get one about 5 years ago and since I had a passport, it helped. I chuckle about how when I was a kid, our family had a "family passport" with all of us in the one pic on the passport (no smiling allowed). Of course that all went away.

The entire issue of women and surnames/married names and docs associated with that, really is something that is long past due to be addressed in some kind of legislation. It is literally has a disparate impact to women.

[slightlv]

22. I got caught in that

three weeker in 2013, myself, as well as the 2019. I retired just after that... not that I wanted to, but they wouldn't accommodate a 2 or 3 day remote for me, despite my disability. Year or so later, *everyone* was working remote. I'm still trying to get over the bitterness I feel about that, but having a hard time with it. My grandson has moved in with us, so it's a bit better now. I feel like I'm needed again.

I wish I had a passport, but knew I'd never have enough money to fly overseas, and didn't need one when I went into Mexico or Canada when I was younger. I'm going to try again for a Real ID in a few months; we'll see if I can get through it this time and hold my frustration and temper! (gryn)

[BumRushDaShow]

25. I'm not sure if it is something that can be purchased separately (in lieu of) although I think it can be

but when I got my passport renewed the last time, I also opted to get a "Passport Card" with it. It was basically an "add-on" to the full passport but with a much lower cost (I think at the time, $35 if done with a renewal of a passport).

It is good as a RealID and can be used for that Mexico/Canada/Caribbean travel) - https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html

[onenote]

12. It would not require re-registration.

It's a terrible, unnecessary bill. But at least it doesn't apply to existing registrants -- only new applicants.

[SunSeeker]

3. This would reduce the number of women voting, even though they are US citizens.

Because many women -- i.e., married women -- changed their names upon marriage, and so a birth certificate with a different name wouldn't prove their citizenship.

They would need either (1) a birth certificate and a marriage certificate and a driver's license (or identity card) with their current name, OR
(2) they'd need a REAL ID or a passport.

But many married women don't have a marriage certificate handy (they'd have to order one, which would take weeks), or have a REAL ID or a passport -- especially women who've been married and voting for decades.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19417081

[LauraInLA]

14. I find this incredibly upsetting -- the standard that women are still "expected" to change their name

when they marry. I understand the tradition, but I’m very disappointed that women do not buck the trend. I married in 2003 and didn’t change my name — it was expensive (all the document changes required), time consuming, and most importantly didn’t change my commitment to my marriage and/or family. It could affect my career. It was a part of my identity that I was expected to give up. Interestingly, my husband wasn’t willing to change his name, either.

I hope I’m not offending anyone who made the choice OR didn’t even have the choice. But I also hope this demonstrates the ongoing and even increasing consequences of women changing their names upon marriage.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/health/women-change-names-marriage-wellness/index.html

https://archive.ph/wip/OCcUc
From https://fortune.com/2024/06/22/women-name-change-marriage-career-relationships-impact/#

[onetexan]

24. Likewise here i didn't want to take on the hubby's surname

I was proud of my own.

[Captain Zero]

27. I told my daughters, get married, but really, don't change your name.

when all this real id shit came about.

[slightlv]

16. You not only need the marriage certificate,

if you've been divorced, you have to have the documents to prove the timeline of marriage, divorce, and remarriage (if any). And I did NOT change my name after I got divorced... but I still had to provide my divorce papers. It was my marriage certificate to my current hubby we had trouble finding. We'd only moved 3 or 4 times since we got married. And after each move, we'd discover stuff we "lost" along the way.

[Lonestarblue]

4. If there's a way to cheat, Republicans will find it.

Fortunately I have a passport as proof of citizenship, but many people do not. This bill will not pass in the Senate, but it will cause chaos again just to fund the government.

[AverageOldGuy]

6. Citizenship is already required and checked

In Virginia, when a person registers to vote, they must check YES/NO to the question "Are you a citizen?"

Merely submitting a registration application DOES NOT GET YOU REGISTERED TO VOTE.

Your name, address, date of birth, and social security number are run through several state and federal databases to check your citizenship, see if a death certificate has been issued for you, see if you are a convicted felon, see if you are already registered, and the like -- takes a few days.

Virginia has instituted "same-day registration" -- SDR -- you can register to vote at the polling place and cast a PROVISIONAL BALLOT. The provisional is placed in a sealed envelope, you sign it with identifying data, two election officials attest and sign, and the sealed ballot envelope goes to the local Electoral Board. The State then runs your registration application through the normal process. Eight days after the election, the state notifies localities if an SDR is good or bad. If it's good, you are registered and your provisional ballot is counted. If you don't pass any of the checks, your registration is denied and your provisional ballot is NOT COUNTED, but is stored with other election material in the local Circuit Court Clerk's vault for 2 years.

Since VA instituted SDR, there have been a few cases of people completing an SDR in one county, go to another county, do the same, etc. All these fools got an appointment with the State Police and the local Commonwealth's Attorney (state police have a small group that works only on election crimes).

Dumbass Republicans know this but nothing stops them from their usual stunts.

[slightlv]

17. In KS, you not only have to check the citizen box,

you also have to present drivers license ID. This whole "REAL ID" is a huge hot button issue with me, especially where women are concerned. It is so intrusive of our lives, and is discriminatory with reference to what men have to provide as documents (at least here in KS). And it's stupid because non-citizen voting is already illegal. Why don't we have redundant gun laws to stop school shootings, if making a law say the same thing over and over again makes the law work better, as the R's obviously think.

[LeftInTX]

19. Same in Texas, except we don't have Same Day Registration.

[JustAnotherGen]

7. This is so stupid

I already gave proof of citizenship when I registered to vote at the DMV when I moved to New Jersey.

Why would I need to bring my birth certificate and consulate papers (American born abroad) to the voting booth?

It's already been provided. So nope - they don't get to dictate how the NJ Secretary of State runs our elections. Try again.

It's minority OVERREACH - and I don't see Phil Murphy or any of the potential candidates for the Governor's race next year allowing yahoos like Mike Johnson to tell us what to do . . . Not when we are paying their way so they don't have to collect state and local taxes to cover education.

[JT45242]

8. A solution in search of a problem (really a problem in search of a problem)

Fewer than 50 people nationwide voted as non-citizens in the US in the last Presidential election.

It is already illegal.

However -- it does make a good voter suppression tactic for poor Hispanics who were born in the US and do not have easy access to proof of citizenship.

[slightlv]

18. Have you noticed the number of R's saying

women should no longer be able to vote? It's not just Hispanics... it's all minorities (including women, who probably outnumber men in the general population). They definitely want to strip us of our right to vote, and as hard as it is to keep all the documents of marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any other name change so you have an unbroken timeline from one name to the next, I'd advise any young woman thinking about her future life to NOT change her name when she gets married. Forget that Christian tradition. It's only there to convey ownership, anyway. These guys keep going, and we really WILL sweep away all their traditions as useless, outdated, and harmful to the majority of people. I know they're making me mad enough at them, and my family has always been grounded in the evangelical religion. I'm not... but then, I'm the blacksheep in the family for any number of reasons!

[chouchou]

9. Dear Mr. Speaker Mike Johnson. Ah..You might want to look at your State Rankings, instead...

..of worrying about some vacuous idea about voter fraud. >>>

Loiusianna rankings
Crime & Corrections
#50
Economy
#49
Education
#47
Health Care
#46
Infrastructure
#49
Natural Environment
#49

[DownriverDem]

10. So do we

have to bring a birth certificate, passport or RealID?

[Botany]

11. Pure codswallop. Just by being a registered voter you are proven American Citizen.

To be able to vote you have to be a registered voter and to register to vote you have to be
an American Citizen and have proof that you live in your precinct. “You vote where you sleep.”

Good God in Butter! The GOP, Fox News, and the right wing are working 24/7 to sell “the big
lie” that illegal immigrants are flooding into America to vote for Democrats.

Republicans have to cheat to win. The party of Ike, Bill Scranton, Margaret Chase Smit,
Everet Dirksen, and Ray Shafer is long dead and gone.

[LeftInTX]

20. It's not 100% fool proof. Non-citizens can be issued a SSN and DL.

Especially if they have been here awhile, it may be hard to verify.

My daughter's friend found out she wasn't a US citizen when she was 25 or so. (When Trump was elected)

She ended up moving to Mexico City and tossed her hard earned Occupational Therapy degree. (She was told she was born in Texas, but was born in Mexico, so she was a Mexican citizen). She went to school K-12, drove, college, grad school, registered to vote, the whole bit. Her birth certificate was fake.

[slightlv]

23. I wish I voted where I sleep!

I did for the first two years I lived here. My office was right across the street and up at the end of the block. That was nice, being able to walk over to vote. Then they gerrymandered us. It's not that I have to drive a long distance, but it is a few miles now from where I live, when the church across the street is still where the R's in the neighborhood go to vote.

[pecosbob]

13. Horse manure.

A). As posted above, it will be DOA in the Senate.

B). Forcing a shutdown sixty days before an election is likely to be political suicide. Nobody does that.

C. Trump hogties GOP House members to himself, for better or worse as regards the upcoming election.

BLUE WAVE.

[Freethinker65]

26. Democrats should propose amendment banning the murder of school children.