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BumRushDaShow

(172,202 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2024, 08:20 PM Sep 2024

US proposes delaying full enforcement of stricter ID rules until up to May 2027

Source: Reuters

September 12, 2024 12:01 PM EDT Updated 8 hours ago


WASHINGTON, Sept 12 (Reuters) - The Biden administration on Thursday proposed delaying full enforcement of new regulations requiring Americans to get new identification cards in order to board airplanes or enter a federal building by up to another two years to May 2027. Congress in 2005 approved new, stricter federal standards for issuing identification cards but enforcement has been pushed back repeatedly. The Department of Homeland Security had in December 2022 pushed back the "REAL ID" enforcement deadline until May 7, 2025.

Enforcing the requirements immediately could have a significant impact on U.S. airlines and airports. The Transportation Security Administration, which is part of DHS and oversees airport security checkpoints, said Thursday it wants to implement a "phased approach" to the requirements through May 2027 but could begin full enforcement earlier. TSA spokesperson Carter Langston said the agency's message to travelers is get the new ID to avoid delays. "Don't wait," Langston said.

DHS believes that without the postponement, U.S. agencies could face a serious risk of operational disruption, negative public impact, and potential security vulnerabilities. The 2005 law enacted the Sept. 11, 2001, commission's recommendation that the U.S. government "set standards for the issuance of sources of identification, such as driver's licenses." The law sets minimum security standards for license issuance and production.

One issue is that more than 124 million people still do not have compliant IDs. DHS estimates states and territories have issued approximately 162 million REAL ID-compliant IDs -- or 56% of all state IDs. TSA said agencies could issue warning notices or impose progressive consequences instead of fully enforcing the ID requirement starting next May.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-proposes-delaying-full-enforcement-stricter-id-rules-until-may-2027-2024-09-12/

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US proposes delaying full enforcement of stricter ID rules until up to May 2027 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 OP
Stupid. James48 Sep 2024 #1
Just like banking reform and digital TV BadgerKid Sep 2024 #2
They should repeal it. It's unnecessary, intrusive, and discriminates pnwmom Sep 2024 #6
I guess 44% of people are like me: I rarely fly so, if I have to go somewhere and can't fly, I'll just drive. PSPS Sep 2024 #3
Some of us have relatives living thousands of miles away -- but we should all be fighting pnwmom Sep 2024 #5
ID is racist Linpark90 Sep 2024 #4
And sexist. Married women, because they often change their name, pnwmom Sep 2024 #8
20 years !?!?? Nasruddin Sep 2024 #7
The standard is unnecessary and discriminatory. pnwmom Sep 2024 #9
It is a nightmare for married women 10 Turtle Day Sep 2024 #11
Agree that's ridiculous Nasruddin Sep 2024 #12
No mention in the article of passports mnhtnbb Sep 2024 #10
Nuisance Nasruddin Sep 2024 #13

James48

(5,254 posts)
1. Stupid.
Thu Sep 12, 2024, 09:03 PM
Sep 2024

The Real ID Act was passed in 2005, and was supposed to be in place before the end of 2008.

Yet here we are.

Either it’s important to do, or we should forget the Act altogether.

They have had SEVENTEEN years to begin to enforce the ID requirement.

pnwmom

(110,323 posts)
6. They should repeal it. It's unnecessary, intrusive, and discriminates
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:47 AM
Sep 2024

against married women and anyone else who uses a name not on their birth certificate.

PSPS

(15,376 posts)
3. I guess 44% of people are like me: I rarely fly so, if I have to go somewhere and can't fly, I'll just drive.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:23 AM
Sep 2024

pnwmom

(110,323 posts)
5. Some of us have relatives living thousands of miles away -- but we should all be fighting
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:46 AM
Sep 2024

this intrusive, discriminatory law.

First they were trying to require it on airplanes. Now, with the SAVE act, they want to require REAL ID in order to register to vote.
Next, they'll announce that millions of people had already registered without providing proof of citizenship -- and they'll drop them from the rolls unless they re-register with a REAL ID or a passport.

This REAL ID law discriminates against married women, trans people, and anyone else who has a birth certificate that doesn't match their current name. (Down to the middle name. Women have been denied approval for using their maiden name as their middle name, and their married name as their surname.)

They claim that they need REAL ID to protect us on the planes -- but the system has been working fine for a couple decades with regular photo ID's. Now they claim they need it to prevent undocumented people from voting.

But their real motivation NOW is that it will be much harder for married women and trans people to vote, but everyone will blame that on immigrants instead of white male supremacists.

pnwmom

(110,323 posts)
8. And sexist. Married women, because they often change their name,
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 02:11 AM
Sep 2024

have much more trouble getting a REAL ID.

pnwmom

(110,323 posts)
9. The standard is unnecessary and discriminatory.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 02:15 AM
Sep 2024

It was supposed to make air travel safer, but we've had decades of safe flying with only ordinary photo ID's.

The REAL ID discriminates against married women who changed their surnames because they have a more complicated process to prove citizenship than their husbands do. For example, when I applied for a copy of my marriage certificate (required to get a REAL ID) in the state where we were married, they replied that they needed me to prove my ID. And one of the items they said they needed was a copy of my marriage certificate -- the same document I was trying to get from them!

10 Turtle Day

(1,312 posts)
11. It is a nightmare for married women
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 06:45 AM
Sep 2024

I’ve been trying to get the documents needed for real ID for my mom so she can get a Real ID. Although in her 90s she’s still spry and can fly with wheelchair assistance so that they take to her gates.

A woman has to prove how her name on her birth certificate went to her current name. She’s been married 4 times and doesn’t have all the marriage certificates and divorce decrees she needs. She doesn’t even remember what county some of these events took place and they took place in 4 different states. Each state has their own requirements. NJ is the most difficult. It wants her NJ marriage certificate as part of that chain of name changes to demonstrate she is eligible to receive a copy of her NJ marriage certificate! It’s like Catch-22. Can’t get the document unless you already have the document.

Nasruddin

(1,301 posts)
12. Agree that's ridiculous
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:46 PM
Sep 2024

But how do you all get passports? Isn't it the same requirement?
Or you don't care?

I thought the purpose of this id was beyond some air travel usage.
I hope no one thinks an iD by itself prevents air piracy.

If there are circular requirements in the vetting process that is a defect in the process
but not the ID itself. The Federal act should prevent states from nonsense like that,
it should be a robust ID standard.

mnhtnbb

(33,500 posts)
10. No mention in the article of passports
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 05:07 AM
Sep 2024

which are also an acceptable form of ID. Many people who hold passports would not need to obtain Real ID as long as you managed to avoid scheduling a flight while your passport was being renewed and not in your possession.

Nasruddin

(1,301 posts)
13. Nuisance
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:48 PM
Sep 2024

Passports are a nuisance to carry around - bulky, fragile.
We have the passport card but that's not very useful anyway.
And it may be that people would have some of the same objections to a passport
as they would to real id; passports are optional but some kind of gov-recognized
ID is nearly impossible to live without.

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