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Liz Cheney: Conservatives may need a new party
Source: The Hill
09/21/24 5:07 PM ET
Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) indicated in an interview at The Capital Times Idea Fest in Madison, Wisc., that conservatives could end up forming a new kind of conservative party, arguing that “far too much has happened that’s too damaging” in the Republican Party.
“There is certainly going to be a big shift, I think, in how our politics work — I don’t know exactly what that will look like. I don’t think it will just simply be… the Republican party is going to put up a new slate of candidates and off to the races,” Cheney, an outspoken Trump critic, told The New York Times’ Peter Baker. “I think far too much has happened that’s too damaging,” she added.
When asked by Baker whether she was suggesting that conservatives unhappy with the current state of the GOP will have to create a new party, she said, “It may well be.”
Cheney, who said earlier this month that she would be voting for Vice President Harris in November, added that she thinks most Americans don’t want “someone like Donald Trump to be the president.”
Read more: https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4892415-liz-cheney-new-republican-party/
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that it will prove to be a veritable groundswell of support.
But, again-- who can really say??
It should be at the top of the list 
... and it's a much smaller number that even tolerates him anymore.
There are Repukes in this country who will do "anything" to win and those are the only ones who are listening to Chump these days. Most are ridiculing him behind his back, some will hold their noses and vote for him.
But a lot of them won't even do that. It's not exactly an open revolt against their candidate, but many will quietly leave the ballot blank for the "President" or some will actually vote for Harris/Walz. They're just not talking about it out loud.
Just because the MAGAs are loud and annoying, don't mistake their noise for actual votes. It's just meaningless noise. There are too many Rs who don't want Chump back in the White House, and they won't vote for him.
"Privatizing the profits while socializing the costs and risks."
It's going to destroy us if we don't right the ship immediately.
Karma. It often comes too late, and sometimes it lands like a nuclear sledgehammer.
How about two right wing parties, splitting 40% of the popular vote and zero states?
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I am a lawyer and you are wrong if you are implying Congress has control
OMG. Why do you keep doing this year after year after year?
Article I
(snip)
Section 9.
(snip)
No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
(snip)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
(snip)
Section 9.
(snip)
No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
(snip)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
I.e., the Executive Branch MUST GET MONEY FROM CONGRESS to carry out its mission and the President's requests.
Article II of the Constitution gives full power to the president to command the U.S. military. 100%. It does not make exceptions for Congress. Congress is able to cut off funds for an operation, but it cannot demand an operation continues.
I just highlighted what you wrote that you summarily dismissed and is what is critical here when it comes to war-making.
We just WENT through this with Ukraine and getting funding for the military assistance. The Pentagon had been trying to "reprogram" funded programs to move some of their existing stuff to Ukraine, but ultimately, anything "military" requires Congressional action.
This is what they ultimately did to authorize the funding for Ukraine (and Israel and other things) -
H.R.815 - Making emergency supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, and for other purposes.
The National Defense Authorization Act explictly tells the Executive Branch what it can and cannot do with the Executive Branch's military presence, posture, and vision. The current one is here - H.R.2670 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024
They don't even have the one for FY2025 yet. A Senate draft his here - S.4638 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2025
If the President says "I want to do 'X'" and Congress refuses to fund it or defunds it, then guess what?
Not only that but the government of Iraq has constantly said they want the U.S. out.
Iraq Militia Battling US Troops Is 'Not Convinced' Biden Ready To Withdraw
An Iraqi militia that has played a leading role in attacks against U.S. troops in an effort to expel them from the nation has told Newsweek that the group was skeptical of recent reports suggesting President Joe Biden's administration had reached a deal with Baghdad to withdraw forces.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iraq-militia-battling-us-troops-is-not-convinced-biden-ready-to-withdraw/ar-AA1qUJrZ
Iraq Militia Battling US Troops Is 'Not Convinced' Biden Ready To Withdraw
An Iraqi militia that has played a leading role in attacks against U.S. troops in an effort to expel them from the nation has told Newsweek that the group was skeptical of recent reports suggesting President Joe Biden's administration had reached a deal with Baghdad to withdraw forces.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iraq-militia-battling-us-troops-is-not-convinced-biden-ready-to-withdraw/ar-AA1qUJrZ
I included 2 articles in my reply that mentioned this. And that is underway, but it STILL requires Congressional authorization to complete.
Get the U.S. out now! They are nothing but sitting ducks just as those in Afghanistan were.
have no clue how the government works.
News flash - if a base closure has not been "authorized", it ain't happening.
Example -
Guantánamo Closing Hands Republicans a Wedge Issue
By David D. Kirkpatrick and David M. Herszenhorn
May 23, 2009
(snip)
Senate Democrats, who last week broke with their president to join a 90-to-6 vote against funds to close Guantánamo, faulted the White House for failing to provide political cover by reassuring the public that he had a clear plan the for the prisoners. The Democrats left open the possibility of authorizing the money later this year, once Mr. Obama provides a detailed plan.
(snip)
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/us/politics/24gitmo.html
By David D. Kirkpatrick and David M. Herszenhorn
May 23, 2009
(snip)
Senate Democrats, who last week broke with their president to join a 90-to-6 vote against funds to close Guantánamo, faulted the White House for failing to provide political cover by reassuring the public that he had a clear plan the for the prisoners. The Democrats left open the possibility of authorizing the money later this year, once Mr. Obama provides a detailed plan.
(snip)
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/us/politics/24gitmo.html
Operation Inherent Resolve
The latest -
Press Release | July 16, 2024
Defeat ISIS Mission in Iraq and Syria for January – June 2024
USCENTCOM
July 16,2024
Release 20240716 - 01
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TAMPA, Fla. – From January to June 2024, ISIS has claimed 153 attacks in Iraq and Syria. At this rate, ISIS is on pace to more than double the total number of attacks they claimed in 2023. The increase in attacks indicates ISIS is attempting to reconstitute following several years of decreased capability.
To continue the effort to defeat ISIS and prevent its ability to conduct external attacks, United States Central Command, along with our Defeat ISIS partners, Iraqi Security Forces and the Syrian Democratic Forces, conducted 196 Defeat ISIS Missions resulting in 44 ISIS operatives killed and 166 detained in the first half of 2024. In Iraq, 137 partnered operations resulted in 30 ISIS operatives killed and 74 ISIS operatives detained. In Syria, 59 operations conducted alongside the SDF and other partners resulted in 14 ISIS operatives killed and 92 ISIS operatives detained.
The above operations resulted in eight senior ISIS leaders killed and 32 captured in both Iraq and Syria. These leaders include those responsible for planning of operations outside of Syria and Iraq, recruiting, training, and weapons smuggling. The removal of these individuals from their leadership positions further degrades ISIS capabilities to conduct external operations in the U.S. and allied nations.
The continued pursuit of the approximately 2,500 ISIS fighters at large across Iraq and Syria is a critical component to the enduring defeat of ISIS. Equally important are the ongoing international efforts to repatriate more than 9,000 ISIS detainees in detention facilities in Syria, and the repatriation, rehabilitation, and reintegration of more than 43,000 individuals and families from the Al Hol and Al Roj camps. This is down from the peak of over 70,000 in 2019.
“The global enduring defeat of ISIS relies on combined efforts of the Coalition and partners to remove key leaders from the battlefield and the repatriation, rehabilitation, and reintegration of families from Al Hol and Al Roj,” said Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, commander of U.S. Central Command. “We continue to focus our efforts on specifically targeting those members of ISIS who are seeking to conduct external operations outside of Iraq and Syria and those ISIS members attempting to break out ISIS members in detention in an attempt to reconstitute their forces.”
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3840981/defeat-isis-mission-in-iraq-and-syria-for-january-june-2024/
Defeat ISIS Mission in Iraq and Syria for January – June 2024
USCENTCOM
July 16,2024
Release 20240716 - 01
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TAMPA, Fla. – From January to June 2024, ISIS has claimed 153 attacks in Iraq and Syria. At this rate, ISIS is on pace to more than double the total number of attacks they claimed in 2023. The increase in attacks indicates ISIS is attempting to reconstitute following several years of decreased capability.
To continue the effort to defeat ISIS and prevent its ability to conduct external attacks, United States Central Command, along with our Defeat ISIS partners, Iraqi Security Forces and the Syrian Democratic Forces, conducted 196 Defeat ISIS Missions resulting in 44 ISIS operatives killed and 166 detained in the first half of 2024. In Iraq, 137 partnered operations resulted in 30 ISIS operatives killed and 74 ISIS operatives detained. In Syria, 59 operations conducted alongside the SDF and other partners resulted in 14 ISIS operatives killed and 92 ISIS operatives detained.
The above operations resulted in eight senior ISIS leaders killed and 32 captured in both Iraq and Syria. These leaders include those responsible for planning of operations outside of Syria and Iraq, recruiting, training, and weapons smuggling. The removal of these individuals from their leadership positions further degrades ISIS capabilities to conduct external operations in the U.S. and allied nations.
The continued pursuit of the approximately 2,500 ISIS fighters at large across Iraq and Syria is a critical component to the enduring defeat of ISIS. Equally important are the ongoing international efforts to repatriate more than 9,000 ISIS detainees in detention facilities in Syria, and the repatriation, rehabilitation, and reintegration of more than 43,000 individuals and families from the Al Hol and Al Roj camps. This is down from the peak of over 70,000 in 2019.
“The global enduring defeat of ISIS relies on combined efforts of the Coalition and partners to remove key leaders from the battlefield and the repatriation, rehabilitation, and reintegration of families from Al Hol and Al Roj,” said Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, commander of U.S. Central Command. “We continue to focus our efforts on specifically targeting those members of ISIS who are seeking to conduct external operations outside of Iraq and Syria and those ISIS members attempting to break out ISIS members in detention in an attempt to reconstitute their forces.”
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3840981/defeat-isis-mission-in-iraq-and-syria-for-january-june-2024/
Press Release | Sept. 2, 2024
CENTCOM Forces Partner with Syrian Democratic Forces to Capture ISIS Leader and Assist in Operation to Recapture Escaped ISIS Fighters
USCENTCOM
Sept. 2, 2024
Release Number 202400902 - 01
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TAMPA, Fla – U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, partnered with Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), captured an ISIS leader, who was assessed as helping ISIS fighters after escape from a Raqqah Detention Facility in Syria.
During the early morning hours of Sept. 1, CENTCOM forces and SDF captured Khaled Ahmed al-Dandal, an ISIS facilitator assessed to be aiding efforts of detained ISIS fighters to include recently escaped fighters.
Previously, on Aug. 29, five ISIS Foreign Terrorist Fighter detainees (Two Russians, two Afghans, and one Libyan) escaped from the Raqqah Detention Facility. SDF recaptured two escapees: Imam Abdulwahed Akhwan (Russian) and Muhammad Noh Muhammad (Libyan). The search continues for the three who remain at large: Timor Talbrken Abdash (Russian) and Shuab Muhammad Al-Abdli and Atal Khaled Zar (both Afghans).
A primary objective of ISIS remains to free their fighters currently held in detention and subsequently fuel an ISIS revival. CENTCOM forces, in coordination with SDF, will continue to mitigate threats of future escapes and to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS.
“Over 9,000 ISIS detainees remain in over 20 SDF detention facilities in Syria, a literal and figurative ‘ISIS Army’ in detention. If a large number of these ISIS fighters escaped, it would pose an extreme danger to the region and beyond. We will continue to work with the international community to repatriate these ISIS fighters to their countries of origin for final adjudication,” said Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, Commander, U.S. Central Command.
CENTCOM remains committed to supporting our SDF partners to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS and to promote regional stability.
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3891985/centcom-forces-partner-with-syrian-democratic-forces-to-capture-isis-leader-and/
CENTCOM Forces Partner with Syrian Democratic Forces to Capture ISIS Leader and Assist in Operation to Recapture Escaped ISIS Fighters
USCENTCOM
Sept. 2, 2024
Release Number 202400902 - 01
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TAMPA, Fla – U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, partnered with Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), captured an ISIS leader, who was assessed as helping ISIS fighters after escape from a Raqqah Detention Facility in Syria.
During the early morning hours of Sept. 1, CENTCOM forces and SDF captured Khaled Ahmed al-Dandal, an ISIS facilitator assessed to be aiding efforts of detained ISIS fighters to include recently escaped fighters.
Previously, on Aug. 29, five ISIS Foreign Terrorist Fighter detainees (Two Russians, two Afghans, and one Libyan) escaped from the Raqqah Detention Facility. SDF recaptured two escapees: Imam Abdulwahed Akhwan (Russian) and Muhammad Noh Muhammad (Libyan). The search continues for the three who remain at large: Timor Talbrken Abdash (Russian) and Shuab Muhammad Al-Abdli and Atal Khaled Zar (both Afghans).
A primary objective of ISIS remains to free their fighters currently held in detention and subsequently fuel an ISIS revival. CENTCOM forces, in coordination with SDF, will continue to mitigate threats of future escapes and to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS.
“Over 9,000 ISIS detainees remain in over 20 SDF detention facilities in Syria, a literal and figurative ‘ISIS Army’ in detention. If a large number of these ISIS fighters escaped, it would pose an extreme danger to the region and beyond. We will continue to work with the international community to repatriate these ISIS fighters to their countries of origin for final adjudication,” said Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, Commander, U.S. Central Command.
CENTCOM remains committed to supporting our SDF partners to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS and to promote regional stability.
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3891985/centcom-forces-partner-with-syrian-democratic-forces-to-capture-isis-leader-and/
And from the State Department - https://www.state.gov/the-islamic-state-five-years-later-persistent-threats-u-s-options/
Transition of Operation Inherent Resolve to U.S.-Iraq Bilateral Security Partnership to be Announced Next Week, Officials Say
Transition of Operation Inherent Resolve to U.S.-Iraq Bilateral Security Partnership to be Announced Next Week, Officials Say
Sept. 20, 2024 | By Matthew Olay, DOD News |
The United States is on track to announce next week the transition of the military's anti-ISIS mission in Iraq to a bilateral defense partnership between the two countries, a pair of officials close to the matter told the media today.
The announcement would come 10 years after the U.S.' establishment of the multi-national Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS and its military component, Combined Joint Task Force — Operation Inherent Resolve.
Talks about transitioning the military mission to a bilateral defense partnership began between the U.S. and Iraq in April. Although specific details concerning transitioning from CJTF-OIR to a bilateral partnership are still evolving, a senior administration official said that there is a broad consensus between all coalition members that the coalition will continue with its work well into the future.
"[The commission does] extraordinary work in terms of counter-terrorist financing, counter-foreign fighter flow … sharing information [and] sharing intelligence," the official said, adding that the transition to a bilateral partnership is a way to deepen and enhance the coalition and cooperation between its member countries, as well as a means of strengthening the U.S.' relationship with Iraq.
The official also made clear that, no matter what shape the future bilateral agreement takes — and regardless of whether other coalition countries move on from Iraq after 10 years — the U.S. remains committed to defeating ISIS.
"I think it's fair to say we've had great success in territorially defeating ISIS in the core regions of Iraq and Syria. However, we are all very aware that with ISIS, you can [often] say [they're] down, but they're never quite out," the official said.
"We remain fully committed to the defeat of ISIS … That is what we're working on in Iraq and northeast Syria," the official continued. "[It's] something that is ongoing every day, and that will very much continue in the future."
As one example of that, the Pentagon announced yesterday that U.S. and Syrian Democratic Forces launched a raid in Syria that killed four ISIS operatives.
The raid was designed to disrupt and degrade the terrorist organization's ability "to organize and conduct attacks against civilians as well as U.S. citizens, allies and partners throughout the region and beyond," Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh said.
"The United States is the core [of the coalition], and we very much intend to continue to prosecute this mission against ISIS over the coming years," the senior administration official said.
As the announcement of the transition of the coalition's military mission in Iraq draws closer, one senior defense official said the U.S. will be "deepening the conversation" with Iraq regarding the nature of the bilateral security partnership.
"We believe [the talks] will be quite deep and quite intense because that's what both sides want," the official told reporters, adding that the Iraqis have made clear that they are committed to continuing to work to shape a strong bilateral security agreement with the U.S. and to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS.
"We already have gotten fairly advanced into those discussions about what that looks like in terms of the kinds of trainings, the kinds of presence [and] the kinds of support for [Iraq's] capabilities," the official said.
"But this is an iterative conversation that will continue through and beyond the announcement that we hope we'll be in a position to make at the end of next week," he added.
Sept. 20, 2024 | By Matthew Olay, DOD News |
The United States is on track to announce next week the transition of the military's anti-ISIS mission in Iraq to a bilateral defense partnership between the two countries, a pair of officials close to the matter told the media today.
The announcement would come 10 years after the U.S.' establishment of the multi-national Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS and its military component, Combined Joint Task Force — Operation Inherent Resolve.
Talks about transitioning the military mission to a bilateral defense partnership began between the U.S. and Iraq in April. Although specific details concerning transitioning from CJTF-OIR to a bilateral partnership are still evolving, a senior administration official said that there is a broad consensus between all coalition members that the coalition will continue with its work well into the future.
"[The commission does] extraordinary work in terms of counter-terrorist financing, counter-foreign fighter flow … sharing information [and] sharing intelligence," the official said, adding that the transition to a bilateral partnership is a way to deepen and enhance the coalition and cooperation between its member countries, as well as a means of strengthening the U.S.' relationship with Iraq.
The official also made clear that, no matter what shape the future bilateral agreement takes — and regardless of whether other coalition countries move on from Iraq after 10 years — the U.S. remains committed to defeating ISIS.
"I think it's fair to say we've had great success in territorially defeating ISIS in the core regions of Iraq and Syria. However, we are all very aware that with ISIS, you can [often] say [they're] down, but they're never quite out," the official said.
"We remain fully committed to the defeat of ISIS … That is what we're working on in Iraq and northeast Syria," the official continued. "[It's] something that is ongoing every day, and that will very much continue in the future."
As one example of that, the Pentagon announced yesterday that U.S. and Syrian Democratic Forces launched a raid in Syria that killed four ISIS operatives.
The raid was designed to disrupt and degrade the terrorist organization's ability "to organize and conduct attacks against civilians as well as U.S. citizens, allies and partners throughout the region and beyond," Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh said.
"The United States is the core [of the coalition], and we very much intend to continue to prosecute this mission against ISIS over the coming years," the senior administration official said.
As the announcement of the transition of the coalition's military mission in Iraq draws closer, one senior defense official said the U.S. will be "deepening the conversation" with Iraq regarding the nature of the bilateral security partnership.
"We believe [the talks] will be quite deep and quite intense because that's what both sides want," the official told reporters, adding that the Iraqis have made clear that they are committed to continuing to work to shape a strong bilateral security agreement with the U.S. and to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS.
"We already have gotten fairly advanced into those discussions about what that looks like in terms of the kinds of trainings, the kinds of presence [and] the kinds of support for [Iraq's] capabilities," the official said.
"But this is an iterative conversation that will continue through and beyond the announcement that we hope we'll be in a position to make at the end of next week," he added.
Stay tuned.
Great to hear!!
But the "new" Republicans Party needs a mechanism for refusing membership to certain troublemaking elements, or they will end up the same way they are now.
