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groundloop

(13,740 posts)
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:28 PM Sep 2024

A Texas county has told an appeals court it has a right to cull books on sex, gender and racism

Source: ABC News

A Texas county that wants to keep 17 books off its shelves — some dealing humorously with flatulence and others with issues including sex, gender identity and racism — argued its case Tuesday before 18 federal appeals court judges amid questions on whether the rights of the patrons or county officials were at risk.

Library patrons filed suit in 2022 against numerous officials with the Llano County library system and the county government after the books were removed. A federal district judge in Texas issued a preliminary injunction requiring that the books be returned in 2023. But the outlook became murkier when three judges of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals split three ways on the issue in June — one saying all 17 books should stay on the shelves, another saying only eight had to stay, and another saying the court should leave it up to the county.

The upshot was that eight books were to be kept on the shelves. But the full court voted to toss that ruling and rehear the case. Tuesday's arguments were heard by the 17 full-time judges of the 5th Circuit, plus Jacques Wiener, a senior 5th Circuit judge with a reduced workload who was part of the original panel.

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Judges closely questioned attorneys on both sides as attorneys supporting the county said government officials' decisions in curating a library's book selection amount to protected government speech.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-county-told-appeals-court-cull-books-sex-113977416



Since when is censorship "protected government speech"?
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cstanleytech

(28,392 posts)
4. I hate and I mean hate to have to say that those that run the library's do in fact have great leeway in what's in them.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:55 PM
Sep 2024

Marthe48

(23,009 posts)
8. No librarian will ever make you read something
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 03:32 PM
Sep 2024

the great thing about libraries is that the thoughts, hopes, dreams, horrors of the human race are on those shelves. And each of us can pick and choose what will go from those shelves to our heads. .

cstanleytech

(28,392 posts)
9. The problem is the librarians are employees not owners of the library.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 06:43 PM
Sep 2024

That means anything on the shelf has been approved by the management who is the government. Only answer to that problem is to change the government.

Marthe48

(23,009 posts)
10. Let's better educate people at all levels
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 07:47 PM
Sep 2024

I worked in our local public library in the reference department. Way too many people came in looking intimidated, scared, apprehensive. In general, their fear seemed linked to their level of education (or interest in education) I can't help thinking that the vast majority of books make it past administrators simply because their lack of interest supercedes actual knowledge. If a book gets flagged by a zealot, who makes complaints to the administrator, the book will get attention and maybe banned because the zealot made a fuss.

I used to live in a small town and got books from the library. I read a novel with an expilicit scene about a woman who was raped by her husband and his male lover. I read another book with explicit scenes of torture in a novel about the slave trade. Believe me, if I had known what was in those books, I would have made other choices. They were otherwise forgettable. Some of my favorite historical novels have explicit scenes, but they are critically acclaimed and well written. I remember the authors and the storylines.

My husband shared with me that he and his friends used to go in that same small library and look at pictures in National Geographic of nude women from cultures that didn't have a dress code. The same library wouldn't subscribe to Playboy. I bet if a zealot found out that the boys were seeing naked women, and horrors! women of color, National Geographic would have been offlimits asap.

Curious minds will find a way. When I was young, I read books I found laying around the house. My parents had a grocery store. For a few years, they stocked paperbacks that were just awful. I got to read several and WOW! They were an education. At least it was good clean fun, compared to later reads that weren't

cstanleytech

(28,392 posts)
12. You have my complete support as I have probably 3000 books in total and I love to reread my books.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 08:21 PM
Sep 2024

SWBTATTReg

(26,222 posts)
5. No it doesn't. It's stifling freedom of speech for others, who have the right to read what they choose to read.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:57 PM
Sep 2024

And this is not protecting the masses, it's just another way to squeak pass the horror word of censorship, based upon one's personal religious beliefs.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
6. For some reason I always thought...
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 01:57 PM
Sep 2024

...it was the court that told us what we have a right to do, not the other way around.

Grins

(9,393 posts)
7. And there it is: "the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals"
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 02:39 PM
Sep 2024

The nation’s Petrie’s dish of bad decisions.

Wonder Why

(6,791 posts)
11. They should be required to burn any books they ban by personally carrying them into the fire until the books are gone.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 07:58 PM
Sep 2024

cstanleytech

(28,392 posts)
13. I lean more towards an open large display just listing the names and author's of said books.
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 08:27 PM
Sep 2024

sinkingfeeling

(57,676 posts)
14. IMHO, the only material that should be banned is material
Tue Sep 24, 2024, 11:44 PM
Sep 2024

providing implicit instructions on committing criminal acts.

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