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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:04 PM Dec 2012

Ashley Judd Runs 4 Points Behind Mitch McConnell In Kentucky Senate Poll

Source: The Huffington Post


Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) unpopularity in his home state might leave him susceptible to a 2014 challenge, including a potential Senate bid by actress Ashley Judd, according to a poll released Tuesday by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling.

Although Kentucky remains deeply Republican, McConnell's low approval ratings -- the worst of any senator nationally, according to PPP -- could make him vulnerable. Just 37 percent of Kentucky voters approve of his performance, while 55 percent disapprove.

McConnell, who eked out a slim victory in 2008, has already begun preparing to fight for reelection. He hired former Ron Paul strategist Jesse Benton to run a "presidential-level campaign in Kentucky," McConnell said in a statement in September.

While some speculated the move was meant to ward off potential Tea Party rivals, PPP found that half of GOP voters would like to see McConnell as their party's nominee, while just 35 percent would favor someone more conservative.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/ashley-judd-mitch-mcconnell-senate-poll_n_2278977.html



Same margins for Abramson and Conway - Turtleboy can be defeated in 2014.
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Ashley Judd Runs 4 Points Behind Mitch McConnell In Kentucky Senate Poll (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Dec 2012 OP
sounds to good to be true iandhr Dec 2012 #1
Sounds like the numbers when Liz Warren started looking at challenging Scott Brown, actually. MADem Dec 2012 #11
Yes and Liz Warren ran in Massachusetts. This is Kentucky. iandhr Dec 2012 #30
Four points behind suggests that Kentucky already likes her--all politics is local, to quote Tip. MADem Dec 2012 #34
Fair point iandhr Dec 2012 #35
I could even see a President Judd in the future Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #31
I would rather she run against Rand, he is far more dangerous to the health of America graham4anything Dec 2012 #2
But Rand isn't the minority leader of the Senate. blueclown Dec 2012 #3
They could name Rand minority leader if Mitch loses. None of them are any better graham4anything Dec 2012 #5
While that is true, it is unlikely. blueclown Dec 2012 #6
yes I think there is a difference. graham4anything Dec 2012 #8
In 2016, Hillary we be busy running against Rand Ter Dec 2012 #28
Hillary will be running against Jeb. Not a JUNIOR senator from KT graham4anything Dec 2012 #38
Basically. If they lose McConnell, I'm sure McCain or Hatch or one of the other lifers Arkana Dec 2012 #44
I understand what you're saying mimi85 Dec 2012 #7
Are there 2 major names that can win? Ashley is one. But is there a second? graham4anything Dec 2012 #9
Sadly, Warren Oates is dead. sofa king Dec 2012 #43
Governor Beshear? Arkana Dec 2012 #45
That will NEVER happen. There's a pecking order, you see, and a few whips and other cat herders MADem Dec 2012 #13
Why should she wait? The time is NOW. And Rand has no leadership role. Mitch does. MADem Dec 2012 #12
Breitbart has this covered Coyotl Dec 2012 #15
They tried to denigrate Al Franken, too--that worked real well for 'em. MADem Dec 2012 #24
What is her view on guns? graham4anything Dec 2012 #16
Who knows and who cares? MADem Dec 2012 #23
I am anti-gun. If she is, she could get millions in financing graham4anything Dec 2012 #37
I don't think she'd come out as "anti-gun" if she decided to run. It's just not a smart move in MADem Dec 2012 #46
No way. McConnell is one of the worst in history. harun Dec 2012 #27
GO Ashley!!!! beachgirl2365 Dec 2012 #4
RUN ASHLEY RUN! PULEEESSSSE benld74 Dec 2012 #10
Or, just talk for a while Coyotl Dec 2012 #14
Sure she can run AAO Dec 2012 #17
Whoa! benld74 Dec 2012 #42
Good lord, get a grip. Arnold (Gov CA) posed nude for a gay mag and was known as The Groper. libdem4life Dec 2012 #18
Yes, but the voters were Californians...would that have worked okaawhatever Dec 2012 #25
Ugh...You do have a point, however, we believed that the impetus for foreign-born Presidents libdem4life Dec 2012 #41
Close enough to run. She oughta pick up that four percent and then some whem McConnell runs the.... marble falls Dec 2012 #19
K&R midnight Dec 2012 #20
if she campaigns in the same dress she wore to the oscars one year... Mel Content Dec 2012 #21
I know the dress you're talking about Angleae Dec 2012 #22
he looks more like a slightly dehydrated jellyfish than a turtle yurbud Dec 2012 #26
I wonder who would endorse her.....Clooney is from KY and his Dad is big in politics there okaawhatever Dec 2012 #29
Think of the possibilities though AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #32
Since he is vulnerable to all Dems, the Dem primary could be too competitive for Judd Blasphemer Dec 2012 #33
And runs about a million points ahead of him in the brains and beauty categories! NICO9000 Dec 2012 #36
Ashley running against Rand in 16, will force him to abandon the 16Pres race or quit the senate graham4anything Dec 2012 #39
One thing I know about Ashley Judd CrawlingChaos Dec 2012 #40

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. Sounds like the numbers when Liz Warren started looking at challenging Scott Brown, actually.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:06 PM
Dec 2012

A lot of people thought that was a bridge too far, too--and look who will be taking the Commonwealth's Junior Senator seat in Jan...

AJ is no idiot--she's very involved in UN and other charities, she's smart on issues of importance to Democrats, a quick study, very articulate and a superb presenter of ideas, and she has been around the block so she knows a con artist coming at her a mile away.

I think she could give Mitch something to cry about.

If B Actor Ronald Reagan could be President, A quality actor could surely be a Senator.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
30. Yes and Liz Warren ran in Massachusetts. This is Kentucky.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:47 PM
Dec 2012

They really don't like the President. Unlike in Mass where they like him a lot.

Don't get me wrong I hate Mitch and would love to see him out of there. And I agree with you about Judd.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. Four points behind suggests that Kentucky already likes her--all politics is local, to quote Tip.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:21 AM
Dec 2012

Even if they don't like POTUS, she's got deep roots in the state and if she can get voters to see things her way and cause them to identify with her as their senator, she could just pull it off.

I don't mean to play the "looks" card, but McConnell looks like a damn tortoise!

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
31. I could even see a President Judd in the future
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:58 PM
Dec 2012

If she wins in Kentucky I could see her as a potential contender in 2020 or 2024. She is very smart and likable, and perhaps most importantly she is one of the very few celebrities who can actually cite serious educational background and experience in international relations to qualify her for public office. If she wins in Kentucky she will quickly rise in national prominence, I seriously believe she has enormous potential to become the first woman President if nobody beats her to it.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
2. I would rather she run against Rand, he is far more dangerous to the health of America
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:17 PM
Dec 2012

and one would assume he would be much easier to beat.

and taking Mitch down, would in a sense elevate Rand to senior senator giving him more of a forum that way

blueclown

(1,869 posts)
3. But Rand isn't the minority leader of the Senate.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:21 PM
Dec 2012

Mitch McConnell is, and that is why he poses such a grave threat to this country, and that is why he must be defeated.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
5. They could name Rand minority leader if Mitch loses. None of them are any better
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:26 PM
Dec 2012

The problem in 14 as opposed to 16 is, if she runs and loses a bitter fight, they will claim a big victory and attempt to use that to demoralize the dems in 16.

and in a Presidential, standing side by side with Hillary45 will get her coattails and more people vote in Presidentials than midterms

blueclown

(1,869 posts)
6. While that is true, it is unlikely.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:30 PM
Dec 2012

Rand Paul hasn't spent nearly enough time in the Senate to become party leader. There are other better candidates that are just as "conservative" and nutty as Rand Paul.

And let's be honest, is there really that much of a difference between Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell? I think over the last 4 years, we haven't seen much of a difference.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
8. yes I think there is a difference.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:35 PM
Dec 2012

Rand is the type of extremist charismatic person who has really dangerous views like his father but better in public

whereas Mitch is a hack and has no ability to go any further.
the repubs would most liklely be happy to overthrow him if they could anyhow.

If she can win, more power to it, but only if she knows its a sure thing and is heavily financed.
Because they will be.

I really think it would be alot easier in 2016.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
38. Hillary will be running against Jeb. Not a JUNIOR senator from KT
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:05 AM
Dec 2012

though you make my point. We need to keep Rand a Junior Senator, not senior senator.

Because in any football game, on any given day the team favored to lose 56 to 0 could
have an upset

Or in boxing terms, Mike Tyson Vs. Buster Douglass. Tyson was 100 to 1 favorite to win
and he lost.

So, NO I do not want Rand to have any more power than he does.

I would like Ashley to wait to 2016, and force Rand to either challenge full time (thereby stopping him from running for President) or to not run for reelection then, which would still make it 100% given that Ashley could win.

BTW it's a shame on all sides that politics is now on a first name, or a letter, or a nickname basis.
Gone are the days when everyone called the person Sen. or Congressman or even Mr. or Mrs.

It shows how W took us all down to the status of say Cher, Madonna, Lindsay, Elton(circa now as opposed to his full name back in the 70s)
where a first name is all that is mentioned

It dumbs everything down which is great for the repubs when that happens

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
44. Basically. If they lose McConnell, I'm sure McCain or Hatch or one of the other lifers
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:51 PM
Dec 2012

will move on the leadership spot.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
7. I understand what you're saying
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:33 PM
Dec 2012

however, does this mean that NO Democrat should challenge him? Or just Ashley?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
9. Are there 2 major names that can win? Ashley is one. But is there a second?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:43 PM
Dec 2012

if not, I would rather win the surer race, and get two more years of prep work to do so.

Remember, the repubs now are getting 2 years to fight her, so it won't be a sudden entry where she could run with little against her. So that being the case, more prep time on the dems part could lead to a major victory (and 2016 will be the year of the Democratic women in races all over.

Again, it depends on financing. Long as the other side has no problem with major money, we need to fight even.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
43. Sadly, Warren Oates is dead.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

Seriously, though, I think the object should be to turn McConnell's election into a vast money-sink for the Republicans by first encouraging a Tea Partier to steal the tax issue from Grover Norquist and make McConnell face down a semi-credible primary contender.

McConnell voted against an extension of the middle class tax cut. Let him outrun that for awhile, then maybe front his primary challenger as a third party candidate.

Then you slap him with whomever negotiates our own primary process, hopefully buoyed by the support of the well-run GOTV organizations that supported President Obama, with minimal expenditure by any one of them while the other side has to blow hundreds an hour just to drown out any recitation of McConnell's actual record.

The lesson we need to teach corporate America right now is that even though unlimited money can be wasted on politics, investing in politics is too risky to reliably pay off. It's time to turn Mitch the Republican cash-cow into Mitch the golden calf.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. That will NEVER happen. There's a pecking order, you see, and a few whips and other cat herders
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:14 PM
Dec 2012

are way ahead of Rand, who hasn't done anything to contribute to the "traditional" bastion of his party--in fact, he's shit on them; they won't back him.

These top leadership jobs aren't appointments--the caucus votes in the people they want to have the positions. Rand doesn't have a prayer of persuading more than two or three GOP senators to vote for him as leader--and he'd only get those votes if he got the senators in question high first.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Why should she wait? The time is NOW. And Rand has no leadership role. Mitch does.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:09 PM
Dec 2012

I'm sure that once she wins Mitch's seat, others with excellent qualifications will think to challenge Rand...and once she's in, she can bring money and clout and star power to that effort.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

FWIW, a challenger being four points back at this stage of the game is nothing. That's good news for AJ. Mitch must be shitting...!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
15. Breitbart has this covered
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:54 PM
Dec 2012

A little out of focus, and more uncovered than covered.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/12/05/Ashley-Judd-Mulls-Senate-Run



America has seen celebrities-turned-politicians before, of course ... Judd's a University of Kentucky graduate, and has a Masters in Public Administration from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. She's also a millionaire Hollywood celeb.

But none of them were as far left as Judd. Michelle Malkin called her a “clown” ...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. They tried to denigrate Al Franken, too--that worked real well for 'em.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:14 PM
Dec 2012

And talk about clowns....Hello? Sonny Bono? Ronald "My Co-Star is a Chimp" Reagan?

Michelle Malkin needs to check her mirror if she is really looking to find a Grade A clown.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Who knows and who cares?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:12 PM
Dec 2012

If she's polling four points behind the incumbent, she can poll her way to a position on that topic, and any other one that's a local/regional hot button.

The important thing is to have a Dem in the Senate who will deliver a vote when needed to the majority leader, something that wasn't thought to be likely from that state. If she can knock Mitch out, that's gravy, a bonus.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
37. I am anti-gun. If she is, she could get millions in financing
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:56 AM
Dec 2012

My mayor mike has a new superpac that is giving mega-money to any candidate in 2014 who will speak out against guns, against the NRA nationwide.
I would assume being that its Kentucky that neither other candidate will do so.

So if she is, she would win the race doing so. (actually any candidate will win if they break the NRA blackmail.)

Think he went 7 for 10 in 2012 and it was only a trial run for 2014 and 2016.
Going to one too many funerals of someone shot by any gun (legal or illegal) convinced him to put his money where his mouth is.

I have no idea of Ashley's gun view, but as she is a super liberal, maybe there is a chance she is anti-NRA, so she could reap a windfall and its going to take tens of millions to defeat McConnell when all of his super Pacs toss their money in(especially that red haired Vegas magnate who's name I am momentarily forgetting.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. I don't think she'd come out as "anti-gun" if she decided to run. It's just not a smart move in
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:56 PM
Dec 2012

that environment. She'd probably come down in the "sensible" side of the debate.

In her many film roles, she handles weapons with aplomb.

If she runs, she won't have trouble raising money.


I think you're thinking of Sheldon Adelson....

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
18. Good lord, get a grip. Arnold (Gov CA) posed nude for a gay mag and was known as The Groper.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:45 PM
Dec 2012

okaawhatever

(9,565 posts)
25. Yes, but the voters were Californians...would that have worked
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:20 PM
Dec 2012

in Kentucky? Plus, let's face it, a double standard still exists. Although......we could start a rumor that McConnell was nude in a gay mag, and since no one would look due to vomit factor, the rumor would never be dispelled! Go Dems!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
41. Ugh...You do have a point, however, we believed that the impetus for foreign-born Presidents
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:43 PM
Dec 2012

originally came into being to prep Arnie for the Presidency. I think he could have been elected. He wasn't a half bad governor either, but there's still the gender issue. Men are hunks, women (most especially liberal women) are sluts and all that.

Just for the record, he's got hot abs and just about everything else. Not full frontal, of course.

marble falls

(71,841 posts)
19. Close enough to run. She oughta pick up that four percent and then some whem McConnell runs the....
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:55 PM
Dec 2012

country from the ditch he helped run it into to over the 'fiscal' cliff.

 

Mel Content

(123 posts)
21. if she campaigns in the same dress she wore to the oscars one year...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:05 PM
Dec 2012

those numbers will definitely improve.

Angleae

(4,801 posts)
22. I know the dress you're talking about
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:39 PM
Dec 2012

But consider this is Kentucky we're talking about. It's almost part of the bible belt.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
26. he looks more like a slightly dehydrated jellyfish than a turtle
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:30 PM
Dec 2012

turtles have bones.

He doesn't even have gristle.

okaawhatever

(9,565 posts)
29. I wonder who would endorse her.....Clooney is from KY and his Dad is big in politics there
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:40 PM
Dec 2012

even made a run 8 yrs. ago for a seat in HOR. Lost though. I also wonder how much her husband can help. Being both an INDY car and NASCAR driver gives him alot of name recognition in the state. Hmmm...we'll see

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
32. Think of the possibilities though
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:59 PM
Dec 2012

A new Senator from Kentucky in our camp. Charismatic. An actress. She's an actress, she can act mfucker. A liberal. She gets the minority leader's seat. Oh so sweet. I can taste the repukes tears.

Blasphemer

(3,622 posts)
33. Since he is vulnerable to all Dems, the Dem primary could be too competitive for Judd
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:10 AM
Dec 2012

If there is any chance of ousting him, I think Judd would lose a primary to more experienced pols. I wonder if the GOP will try to primary McConnell.

NICO9000

(970 posts)
36. And runs about a million points ahead of him in the brains and beauty categories!
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:58 AM
Dec 2012

I mean c'mon - do Kentuckyians really want to look at Senator Yertle until 2021 when they could have Ashley Judd instead? It will be AWESOME if she does run though. We can use as many actual liberal female Senators as possible, not any more from the DiFi school.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
39. Ashley running against Rand in 16, will force him to abandon the 16Pres race or quit the senate
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:12 AM
Dec 2012

Rand couldn't fully fight for reelection in 2016 and run for president

He would be forced to do one or the other if he has solid competition like Ashley would be

So we could force his hand either way there and if he doesn't run for reelection, then we win and Ashley wins right from the start

If he does run for Presidency, he can't do both, nobody ever has run a competitive race while running for the Presidency, most who do have no competition so they sail through.

It might also force Rand's hand about considering 3rd party like his stupid ass father did many times or threatened to.

I love the idea of Sen. Ashley Judd but like the idea of a senate MINUS Rand Paul even better.
And as I don't hear anyone saying there is a second democrat as good as Ashley in Kentucky to beat Rand or Mitch, I would personally rather wait for 2016 and fully prepare and get Rand out.

We need to get out all the teaparty extremists. It would be so much easier to get stuff passed that way.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
40. One thing I know about Ashley Judd
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:51 AM
Dec 2012

She is a genuinely compassionate person. She went to extraordinary lengths to help a dog who was the victim of horrific neglect and abuse. She paid for the best of care, spent time with the poor dog every day and was even with him through his final moments. I followed the story daily and it was devastating, but I was so impressed with her efforts, which went well beyond writing a check.

http://www.dogtipper.com/blog/2012/05/ashley-judd-helps-abused-dog.html

Personally, I can think of no better indication of character than what transpired during that tragic incident. Go Ashley!

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